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Xal Valzar
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 Posted - 12 Oct 2014 : 04:18:49
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well welcome to 5th edition. time stop does is WAAAAAAAAAAY nerfed, no celerity in 5e either.
secondly even if the wizard has an int of 10 or of 20 or of 8 same DC for a spell.
its 10 + the spell level, i get to add my spellcasting ability mod to the roll. my int is a 20 btw.
so if a mage casts powerword kill or time stop all i need to do is cast counterspell and roll a 14 or higher - meaning 1 in 3 chnaces of making it. then all i need is to cast silence then action surge and grapple him and hes history.
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Xal Valzar
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Posted - 12 Oct 2014 : 04:46:05
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| oh, i read lands of intreigue and it says that a half orc in Amn would be a second class citizen no matter how much money he has. on the other hand that might be simply because no half orc became rich enough to be Admantioum, secondly i have no idea if they would think an elf-orc is better or worse then a half orc or simply the same. |
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LordofBones
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Posted - 12 Oct 2014 : 06:03:44
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So how's this theoretical fighter casting silence and counterspell? I could understand if he was an EK, but silence isn't on the wizard's spell list.
This is getting away from the main point; Xal's character is too unrealistic within the game's settings to be feasible. He's physically perfect and a mental juggernaut despite being a mingling of an orc and an elf, he can apparently debate magical theory with Elminster and Szass Tam, he can rally an army of half-elves to take on the EV, and one of his descriptions is "the magnifcence of one of the most trancendent bodies to walk Fauron".
What's next? Is he going to walk into Acheron and spank Gruumsh like a redheaded stepchild, while turning Hanali Celanil and Sehanine Moonbow into blushing, stuttering schoolgirls? |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 12 Oct 2014 : 06:13:37
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Originally posted by LordofBones
So how's this theoretical fighter casting silence and counterspell? I could understand if he was an EK, but silence isn't on the wizard's spell list.
This is getting away from the main point; Xal's character is too unrealistic within the game's settings to be feasible. He's physically perfect and a mental juggernaut despite being a mingling of an orc and an elf, he can apparently debate magical theory with Elminster and Szass Tam, he can rally an army of half-elves to take on the EV, and one of his descriptions is "the magnifcence of one of the most trancendent bodies to walk Fauron".
What's next? Is he going to walk into Acheron and spank Gruumsh like a redheaded stepchild, while turning Hanali Celanil and Sehanine Moonbow into blushing, stuttering schoolgirls?
I'll bet Hanali Celanil can really rock a schoolgirl outfit.  |
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Posted - 12 Oct 2014 : 07:44:55
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by LordofBones
So how's this theoretical fighter casting silence and counterspell? I could understand if he was an EK, but silence isn't on the wizard's spell list.
This is getting away from the main point; Xal's character is too unrealistic within the game's settings to be feasible. He's physically perfect and a mental juggernaut despite being a mingling of an orc and an elf, he can apparently debate magical theory with Elminster and Szass Tam, he can rally an army of half-elves to take on the EV, and one of his descriptions is "the magnifcence of one of the most trancendent bodies to walk Fauron".
What's next? Is he going to walk into Acheron and spank Gruumsh like a redheaded stepchild, while turning Hanali Celanil and Sehanine Moonbow into blushing, stuttering schoolgirls?
I'll bet Hanali Celanil can really rock a schoolgirl outfit.
which country schoolgirl?
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why is being a wizard like being a drow? both are likely to find a dagger in the back from a rival or one looking to further his own goals, fame and power
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Fellfire
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Posted - 12 Oct 2014 : 21:06:17
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Ayrik
Great Reader
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Posted - 12 Oct 2014 : 21:55:02
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Bah! Silly wizards with their bookish tomfoolery, smoke-and-mirrors, and little Time Stop parlour tricks.
Much harder to get a spell off when theres a burly fighter swinging something sharp and heavy at your unarmoured throat several times each combat round. Or when he fires a small pile of arrows at you from across the field. A stronger, faster, tougher, better warrior who has exclusively developed fighting and weapon skills instead of wasting half his time playing at magic tricks. Move fast, get close, shake off an annoying spell if needed, hit hard, loot the body - simple stuff, really - the battlefield is no place to mumble over library books. |
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Fellfire
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 13 Oct 2014 : 01:33:25
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Misanthorpe
Love is a lie. Only hate endures. Light is blinding. Only in darkness do we see clearly.
"Oh, you think darkness is your ally? You merely adopted the dark. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see the light until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but.. blinding. The shadows betray you because they belong to me." - Bane The Dark Knight Rises
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Xal Valzar
Learned Scribe
Argentina
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Posted - 13 Oct 2014 : 03:03:54
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well thats part of the point of him, hes an amazing indivdual but its not that he was born too lucky. he faced hatred from day one but still saw the good in men. he faced ignorance but still sought out truth. he saw mental slavery but still thought independently. he saw weakness but made strength. he saw poverty but created abundence. he saw mysticism but still found scientific understanding (albiet he inheritied it).
Xal is a hero for his choices.
BTW hes not a mental jaugernut and physicly a paragon despite that he is a mixture of an elf and an orc, it is because of that. think of it. Half elfs get a plus to dex and int, half orcs get a plus to const and phys - that covers it.
actually he - or more correctly his father - might infulence most Orcs to leave the worship of Gruumsh. so he will defiantly weaken Grumsh.
BTW not being a full time wizard does not mean he would not know as much about magic as a regular wizard, in fact he must be a greater genius in magic since his discoveries take a very theoretical ideas and apply them to practical uses such as technology and fighting. much harder, more dangerous and more demanding then being a theortical in his literal ivory tower.
whos the smarter, Nikola Tesla or Albert Einstein? (Hint Albert Einstiend admited that it was Tesla).
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Lyiat
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Posted - 13 Oct 2014 : 07:45:43
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I've been reading over this thread over the past few days.
Look, mate, you wanted the honest opinion of the people here, and you've gotten it. You've got a solid Gary Stu who is apparently a fighter on par with Drizzt and a Wizard who can challenge the legendary Bigby (Greyhawk, I know) himself, wrapped into one amazingly attractive, herculean strong, and mercurially quick package. He's the specialist of special snowflakes as well, because he's a completely unique combination of race's that even the Gods of respective races would never permit, and is the heir of an ancient super-powerful elven artifact (From a Sun Elf, no less, when Moonblades are already incredibly rare within Moon Elf circles.). He's so amazing that he's going to destroy the worship of Gruumsh, single-handedly prove to the elves that their multi-century racist attitude to the goblinoids is morally wrong, and will stomp out all of Faerūn's most established heroes and villains if they get in his way. On top of all that, he's also a scientist, which is the utter antithesis of magical theory to the point where Mystra herself has been at constant odds with Gond, possibly to the point of outright sabotage, to keep magic above technology (Popular fan theory to explain how FR hasn't technologically progressed in centuries). Honestly, mate, the only way you could make him more over-the-top is if he was also a vampire/weretiger hybrid who was immune to the influence of the sun and the full moon.
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The Arcanamach
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Xal Valzar
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Posted - 13 Oct 2014 : 17:48:22
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I don't have time to read this entire thread but a race of orc/elves called the Voldur is described in 3.5 terms here: http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?238557-Voldur-Half-elf-half-orc-(3-5)-If-you-read-it-you-ll-want-to-play-it-Promise
oh ive read it, the stats did not make too much sense though, espically for 5e rules |
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Xal Valzar
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Posted - 13 Oct 2014 : 17:51:52
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Originally posted by Lyiat
I've been reading over this thread over the past few days.
You're not really looking for an answer to a question at this point (everything you've asked has been fully and exhaustively explained in the past seven pages), you're looking for validation of a character concept from others.
validation is a bit of a strecth really, it simply spilled over to that. and i found an answer that elf orcs do exists as wrtten by realms lore of Ed. |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 13 Oct 2014 : 18:14:44
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Originally posted by Xal Valzar
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Originally posted by Lyiat
I've been reading over this thread over the past few days.
You're not really looking for an answer to a question at this point (everything you've asked has been fully and exhaustively explained in the past seven pages), you're looking for validation of a character concept from others.
validation is a bit of a strecth really, it simply spilled over to that. and i found an answer that elf orcs do exists as wrtten by realms lore of Ed.
And where was that stated? Because I'm not recalling that one. |
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Irennan
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Posted - 13 Oct 2014 : 18:25:30
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Originally posted by Xal Valzar
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Originally posted by Lyiat
I've been reading over this thread over the past few days.
You're not really looking for an answer to a question at this point (everything you've asked has been fully and exhaustively explained in the past seven pages), you're looking for validation of a character concept from others.
validation is a bit of a strecth really, it simply spilled over to that. and i found an answer that elf orcs do exists as wrtten by realms lore of Ed.
Not commenting on the previous discussion, but why would you need that? If you want an elf-orc and your DM agrees with it, then just go ahead, nothing will stop you... |
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Xal Valzar
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Argentina
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Posted - 13 Oct 2014 : 18:27:27
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BTW the lack of technology in FR is probably not because of Mystra sabatoging Gohn, though that might help. it is because of the second third and sometimes tenth handed knowledge brought from dieties and clerics and even wizard(!) on what consititues knowledge and true generlizations about the nature of the world.
The biggest mistake in magic is to see the Weave as an independent entity which it is certanly not, the weave is an attribute of things and no magican has fully grasped that, except the one who plays in Xal's campagin as his mentor.
The lack of technology is because of the lack of humanoids confidence in their ability to make judgments and thus be sketpical of most if not all sceinces as if they were magic and infulnce to change on a dieties whim. |
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Fellfire
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Posted - 13 Oct 2014 : 19:24:49
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| The Voldur pic is cool. Looks like it could be Brom, but I don't see his sig. |
Misanthorpe
Love is a lie. Only hate endures. Light is blinding. Only in darkness do we see clearly.
"Oh, you think darkness is your ally? You merely adopted the dark. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see the light until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but.. blinding. The shadows betray you because they belong to me." - Bane The Dark Knight Rises
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 13 Oct 2014 : 20:31:10
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Originally posted by Xal Valzar
BTW the lack of technology in FR is probably not because of Mystra sabatoging Gohn, though that might help. it is because of the second third and sometimes tenth handed knowledge brought from dieties and clerics and even wizard(!) on what consititues knowledge and true generlizations about the nature of the world.
The biggest mistake in magic is to see the Weave as an independent entity which it is certanly not, the weave is an attribute of things and no magican has fully grasped that, except the one who plays in Xal's campagin as his mentor.
The lack of technology is because of the lack of humanoids confidence in their ability to make judgments and thus be sketpical of most if not all sceinces as if they were magic and infulnce to change on a dieties whim.
People in the Realms don't sit around waiting for deities to explain things to them. They get out there and try to learn things for themselves -- much about the natural world can be understood by simple observation.
Besides, even if folks did just wait for info to be handed to them -- do you think Gond would be giving bad info? |
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Fellfire
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Posted - 13 Oct 2014 : 20:48:20
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| Impossible Wooly, he is too firmly entrenched. It's like trying to argue with a rock. You might as well find a more reasonable one and beat yourself about the head with it. Let the boy play his broken-ass character and learn the hard way when the DM torches the whole campaign. He asked for opinions and when given he spouts one outrageous justification after another. Don't feed the trolls. |
Misanthorpe
Love is a lie. Only hate endures. Light is blinding. Only in darkness do we see clearly.
"Oh, you think darkness is your ally? You merely adopted the dark. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see the light until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but.. blinding. The shadows betray you because they belong to me." - Bane The Dark Knight Rises
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 13 Oct 2014 : 21:24:16
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| There's nothing wrong with having a cool concept and really liking it... The problem comes in not realizing when "cool" becomes "jumped the shark," and in not listening when others try to help. I think we've all done that, before... |
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Fellfire
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Posted - 13 Oct 2014 : 21:40:31
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| I am speaking from experience. Though, I'm not sure I was ever so obstinate. |
Misanthorpe
Love is a lie. Only hate endures. Light is blinding. Only in darkness do we see clearly.
"Oh, you think darkness is your ally? You merely adopted the dark. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see the light until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but.. blinding. The shadows betray you because they belong to me." - Bane The Dark Knight Rises
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Aldrick
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Posted - 13 Oct 2014 : 22:40:38
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There's nothing wrong with having a cool concept and really liking it... The problem comes in not realizing when "cool" becomes "jumped the shark," and in not listening when others try to help. I think we've all done that, before...
Oh, definitely. I have done it, and I have seen others do it. It is very easy to get attached to a character concept, but with experience we (hopefully) recognize what is happening and realize we should set it aside for something else.
I think the Elf-Orc as a concept has potential, and could be amazing fun to play. However, as you noted Xal has jumped the shark more times than one cares to count... though I do believe Lyiat summed things up nicely.
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Lyiat
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Posted - 14 Oct 2014 : 00:22:32
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validation is a bit of a strecth really, it simply spilled over to that. and i found an answer that elf orcs do exists as wrtten by realms lore of Ed.
Well, no, it isn't. You've made a grand total of 74 posts in a grand total of 5 threads, all trying to find support for your character. Your intro post posed the same question as this thread, you posted in a Duskblade thread seeking more information to assist your special snowflake, you made an "Elven racism" thread to seek justification for people accepting him, and then there's this entire bombshell of a thread. You haven't made a single post that hasn't been seeking validation from your peers to give this character a gold star as "best character ever".
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 14 Oct 2014 : 00:52:45
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| I, for one, am willing to work with Xal to make this a more plausible concept, but it's going to require some serious changes to the character. If I was a DM, just the description of the character would cause me to rule out allowing him at the table; I wouldn't even bother asking for a character sheet. |
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Lyiat
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Posted - 14 Oct 2014 : 00:57:12
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I, for one, am willing to work with Xal to make this a more plausible concept, but it's going to require some serious changes to the character. If I was a DM, just the description of the character would cause me to rule out allowing him at the table; I wouldn't even bother asking for a character sheet.
I don't disagree, Wooly, but it doesn't seem like Xal is willing to compromise his golden vision. He wants to arrive at the end game rather than see the character develop from a base, with all the flaws and imperfections that come with it. He wants a character that experienced racism in his history without actually having to face the racism as a challenge in game (at the very least, not as a challenge that his character couldn't flex his pecs at to eradicate). |
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Xal Valzar
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Posted - 14 Oct 2014 : 03:41:41
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pft, if u want to play small heroes then go ahead, just dont get mad at people who think big. also dont call them heroes unless there 'larger then life' and BIG.
i mean for the love of dice, who ever walked into a movie or opened a book and said "boy i hope the hero is small and balanced!" with excitment. |
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Xal Valzar
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Posted - 14 Oct 2014 : 04:05:52
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Originally posted by Lyiat
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Originally posted by Xal Valzar
validation is a bit of a strecth really, it simply spilled over to that. and i found an answer that elf orcs do exists as wrtten by realms lore of Ed.
Well, no, it isn't. You've made a grand total of 74 posts in a grand total of 5 threads, all trying to find support for your character. Your intro post posed the same question as this thread, you posted in a Duskblade thread seeking more information to assist your special snowflake, you made an "Elven racism" thread to seek justification for people accepting him, and then there's this entire bombshell of a thread. You haven't made a single post that hasn't been seeking validation from your peers to give this character a gold star as "best character ever".
You're not going to get what you want.
u might be suprised but i really dont care, im in it for the content and consestency of the forgoteen realms setting. also to know how would people reacat to him based on the facts. im doing research on the world where Xal Valzar is not asking anyones opinion of Xal Valzar. |
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Xal Valzar
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Posted - 14 Oct 2014 : 04:08:53
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I, for one, am willing to work with Xal to make this a more plausible concept, but it's going to require some serious changes to the character. If I was a DM, just the description of the character would cause me to rule out allowing him at the table; I wouldn't even bother asking for a character sheet.
well what makes him not a good player charcter? and why?
what would you change? |
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Posted - 14 Oct 2014 : 04:08:55
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Originally posted by Xal Valzar
pft, if u want to play small heroes then go ahead, just dont get mad at people who think big. also dont call them heroes unless there 'larger then life' and BIG.
i mean for the love of dice, who ever walked into a movie or opened a book and said "boy i hope the hero is small and balanced!" with excitment.
Well, considering that I am an avid fan of a Song of Ice and Fire and a Game of Thrones... Yeah, I think that pretty much answers your question. |
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Xal Valzar
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Posted - 14 Oct 2014 : 04:21:23
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Originally posted by Lyiat
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I, for one, am willing to work with Xal to make this a more plausible concept, but it's going to require some serious changes to the character. If I was a DM, just the description of the character would cause me to rule out allowing him at the table; I wouldn't even bother asking for a character sheet.
I don't disagree, Wooly, but it doesn't seem like Xal is willing to compromise his golden vision. He wants to arrive at the end game rather than see the character develop from a base, with all the flaws and imperfections that come with it. He wants a character that experienced racism in his history without actually having to face the racism as a challenge in game (at the very least, not as a challenge that his character couldn't flex his pecs at to eradicate).
listen u dont get this but racism is evil, and evil is stupid. fundemnatly stupid and incometent, it cant get the job done, espically in the long run.
if ur stupid enough not to hire someone because of his race then the guy whos smarter then u is surely richer. Xal is a merchant and money, and its parent, ability, talk.
secondly everyone is racist UNTIL it comes down to money, i have stories from Jews in pre-ww2 germany on that.
also think and stretch his plecs.
and why comprmise? why does he have to come flawed? sieroualy why? |
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