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Xal Valzar
Learned Scribe
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 Posted - 11 Oct 2014 : 07:21:41
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You ARE a half-elf of the most detestable kind.
well im a diffrent half elf, a spiecal one, one you dont meet every day. the one who kills the EV hahaha.
but sierously i have a plan to kill all of them. |
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Xal Valzar
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Posted - 11 Oct 2014 : 07:23:08
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Oh, so you think the Harper's, more or less Khelben's lap-dogs, whose wife happens to be Laeral, a close friend of Amlaruil, are going to help you?!
actually with the such big amount of half elfs in the harpers and the good reasons to hate the EV i think they actually might. also any half elf with 2 cents worth of wit will want the EV dead and gone. |
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Xal Valzar
Learned Scribe
Argentina
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Posted - 11 Oct 2014 : 07:26:21
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| actually since the Harpers do love Myth Dannor and the fact that it was a harmony of races then that might work in their intrest. on the other hand the Moonstars have the biggest intrest in helping me kill the EV |
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Fellfire
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 11 Oct 2014 : 07:27:15
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| Justicars of Weald and Woe than, whatever. My point being that the forces of the elven malefactors are more than any party of adventurers could reasonably overcome. There are too many, too deeply ingrained into elven society. |
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Xal Valzar
Learned Scribe
Argentina
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Posted - 11 Oct 2014 : 07:31:27
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Originally posted by Fellfire
Justicars of Weald and Woe than, whatever. My point being that the forces of the elven malefactors are more than any party of adventurers could reasonably overcome
oh yes they can, with a little wit and some steel and magic OH YES THEY CAN. |
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Fellfire
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 11 Oct 2014 : 07:33:23
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| So, you're going to accomplish what the Royal Elven family hasn't been able to do in ten-thousand years?! |
Misanthorpe
Love is a lie. Only hate endures. Light is blinding. Only in darkness do we see clearly.
"Oh, you think darkness is your ally? You merely adopted the dark. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see the light until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but.. blinding. The shadows betray you because they belong to me." - Bane The Dark Knight Rises
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Fellfire
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 11 Oct 2014 : 07:38:13
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| Jeebus, throw me in the pit with the kender. After they've stolen everything but my undershorts, I will leap out and topple all of elven society. Single-handedly. |
Misanthorpe
Love is a lie. Only hate endures. Light is blinding. Only in darkness do we see clearly.
"Oh, you think darkness is your ally? You merely adopted the dark. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see the light until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but.. blinding. The shadows betray you because they belong to me." - Bane The Dark Knight Rises
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Xal Valzar
Learned Scribe
Argentina
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Posted - 11 Oct 2014 : 07:42:28
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Originally posted by Fellfire
Justicars of Weald and Woe than, whatever. My point being that the forces of the elven malefactors are more than any party of adventurers could reasonably overcome. There are too many, too deeply ingrained into elven society.
i would say there not that well ingrained, think of it like Nazi party in modern day germany, sure some people are on thier side and support them with money and other stuff but no one will go out and declare him self as one. as evidence that most elfs prefer not to deal with them and public support of them would be very bad. |
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Fellfire
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 11 Oct 2014 : 07:47:40
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| We are not talking about some neo-nazi cult 80 years later. These are elves. These prejudices go back to the Kinslayer Wars. |
Misanthorpe
Love is a lie. Only hate endures. Light is blinding. Only in darkness do we see clearly.
"Oh, you think darkness is your ally? You merely adopted the dark. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see the light until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but.. blinding. The shadows betray you because they belong to me." - Bane The Dark Knight Rises
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Xal Valzar
Learned Scribe
Argentina
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Posted - 11 Oct 2014 : 07:49:27
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Originally posted by Fellfire
So, you're going to accomplish what the Royal Elven family hasn't been able to do in ten-thousand years?!
pretty much, u see elf can acomplish great things but they lack that sense of recklessness and feeling of being shortlived that makes other races do so much, espically the humans. Elfs can get maginficent things done if they hurry a bit.
secondly im not aware the elven family has tried so hoard to take care of the EV. |
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Fellfire
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 11 Oct 2014 : 07:50:01
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| I'm done. Good luck with that. I hope you're DM and this is your pet character, otherwise, he's an elven-arrow pin-cushion. |
Misanthorpe
Love is a lie. Only hate endures. Light is blinding. Only in darkness do we see clearly.
"Oh, you think darkness is your ally? You merely adopted the dark. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see the light until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but.. blinding. The shadows betray you because they belong to me." - Bane The Dark Knight Rises
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Xal Valzar
Learned Scribe
Argentina
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Posted - 11 Oct 2014 : 07:52:11
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| btw if i know there location i can basicly go to Aglarond and rally a small force of half elfes behind me seeing how the EV wants to kill all of them. |
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Xal Valzar
Learned Scribe
Argentina
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Posted - 11 Oct 2014 : 07:52:59
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Originally posted by Fellfire
I'm done. Good luck with that. I hope you're DM and this is your pet character, otherwise, he's an elven-arrow pin-cushion.
youre just be cynical, and i mean EXTREMLY CYNICAL |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 11 Oct 2014 : 14:39:16
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Originally posted by Xal Valzar
btw if i know there location i can basicly go to Aglarond and rally a small force of half elfes behind me seeing how the EV wants to kill all of them.
What's going to motivate these half-elves to leave Aglarond, where they don't have to worry about the Eldreth Veluuthra? That's one heck of an argument -- "these guys are thousands of miles from here and don't know you exist. But they'd hate you if they did, so let's go fight them!" |
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Aldrick
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Posted - 11 Oct 2014 : 15:12:34
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Xal Valzar
btw if i know there location i can basicly go to Aglarond and rally a small force of half elfes behind me seeing how the EV wants to kill all of them.
What's going to motivate these half-elves to leave Aglarond, where they don't have to worry about the Eldreth Veluuthra? That's one heck of an argument -- "these guys are thousands of miles from here and don't know you exist. But they'd hate you if they did, so let's go fight them!"
There is actually a bigger problem that takes place BEFORE he even reaches that point. That problem being the fact that he is literally an abomination. The moment they get a good look at him their response is going to be, "AHH! KILL IT WITH FIRE BEFORE IT BREEDS!"
The character in question is a giant Mary Sue, and unfortunately Xal here is in for a rude awakening if his DM allows him to bring such a character to the table. Xal is destined to be angry and frustrated endlessly, as his character never lives up to the hype he has built up in his head.
My advice to Xal is to never bring this character into play, and just sit down and write some fan fiction. That is the only way he will ever be happy. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 11 Oct 2014 : 16:54:45
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I won't say the character is a Mary Sue, but he could easily be perceived as one... I think the character concept does have some merit, but is simply too ambitious. There is too much going on for one character; all of it together makes it implausible. He's a unique race, he's big, he's strong, he's pretty, he's smart, he's noble, and he's got a highly ambitious goal that has surely been tried before by existing organizations. It's just too much for one character.
Honestly, I'm reminded of some of the characters I came up with, as a teenager. I didn't intend for any of them to be Mary Sues, but they were generally paragons of their class, high stats across the board, and had small arsenals of magical goodies to cover pretty much every contingency imaginable. |
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Xal Valzar
Learned Scribe
Argentina
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Posted - 11 Oct 2014 : 17:07:32
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Originally posted by Xal Valzar
btw if i know there location i can basicly go to Aglarond and rally a small force of half elfes behind me seeing how the EV wants to kill all of them.
What's going to motivate these half-elves to leave Aglarond, where they don't have to worry about the Eldreth Veluuthra? That's one heck of an argument -- "these guys are thousands of miles from here and don't know you exist. But they'd hate you if they did, so let's go fight them!"
the fact that they are offensive to their existance by the fact of hating them for their existance, why did so many people vulntere for the North in the civil war to stop slavery? why did USA go to fight in Europe and the World twice, once agianst the worst monster in history?
also its not like the EV is not trying to make a spell that tarrgets only half elfs and humans. secondly if they ever have enough power to tarrget a nation it probably will be Aglorand. |
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Xal Valzar
Learned Scribe
Argentina
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Posted - 11 Oct 2014 : 17:09:58
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Xal Valzar
btw if i know there location i can basicly go to Aglarond and rally a small force of half elfes behind me seeing how the EV wants to kill all of them.
What's going to motivate these half-elves to leave Aglarond, where they don't have to worry about the Eldreth Veluuthra? That's one heck of an argument -- "these guys are thousands of miles from here and don't know you exist. But they'd hate you if they did, so let's go fight them!"
There is actually a bigger problem that takes place BEFORE he even reaches that point. That problem being the fact that he is literally an abomination. The moment they get a good look at him their response is going to be, "AHH! KILL IT WITH FIRE BEFORE IT BREEDS!"
The character in question is a giant Mary Sue, and unfortunately Xal here is in for a rude awakening if his DM allows him to bring such a character to the table. Xal is destined to be angry and frustrated endlessly, as his character never lives up to the hype he has built up in his head.
My advice to Xal is to never bring this character into play, and just sit down and write some fan fiction. That is the only way he will ever be happy.
i dont think hes a mary sue, the DM who is a fan of the Sword of Truth series (which there the hero is really a BIIIG mary sue) so i dont even think hell notice that.
well what makes you think there gonna see me? the EV do most of thier work without meeting eachother. |
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Xal Valzar
Learned Scribe
Argentina
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Posted - 11 Oct 2014 : 17:11:30
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Honestly, I'm reminded of some of the characters I came up with, as a teenager. I didn't intend for any of them to be Mary Sues, but they were generally paragons of their class, high stats across the board, and had small arsenals of magical goodies to cover pretty much every contingency imaginable.
ahhh, i wanted to see him... that sounds like one cool dude. |
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Aldrick
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Posted - 11 Oct 2014 : 17:42:09
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I won't say the character is a Mary Sue, but he could easily be perceived as one... I think the character concept does have some merit, but is simply too ambitious. There is too much going on for one character; all of it together makes it implausible. He's a unique race, he's big, he's strong, he's pretty, he's smart, he's noble, and he's got a highly ambitious goal that has surely been tried before by existing organizations. It's just too much for one character.
Honestly, I'm reminded of some of the characters I came up with, as a teenager. I didn't intend for any of them to be Mary Sues, but they were generally paragons of their class, high stats across the board, and had small arsenals of magical goodies to cover pretty much every contingency imaginable.
I am assuming that he is rolling up this character at level one or at a reasonable starting level, and is not starting out at level twenty. He has no way to back up any of the things he outlines, but he has big dreams and ambitions for the character. That is great. Big dreams and ambitions for a character is a good thing, that is where we get to challenge such characters.
The problem is he has the character completely sketched out in his head. He is too epic and too awesome in his head, and my concern is the moment the DM starts throwing up obstacles in his way he is going to get upset. I have seen it happen far too often.
This situation plays out one of two ways. First, he has a poor DM who lets him bring this character to the table. The DM throws up obstacles, he gets upset, and the DM caves and then this character moves on to essentially dominate the table and everyone else in the group. It basically becomes the Xal Valzar story, to which everyone else is playing the supporting cast--meaning that it is no longer a group story, and everyone has to agree to allow the player to vicariously live out their fan fiction via game play. Second, and hopefully this is what happens, the DM foresees the problem well ahead of time and vetoes the character concept.
Yes, I think the character concept has potential. However, he has nothing to challenge him or anything that makes him remotely interesting. The potential for an Elf-Orc hybrid character is interesting, and one that I could get behind. Sadly, he is unwilling to even consider how the struggles he would face as a result would shape the character.
Basically, we are at the point right now where if Xal encountered Elminster, he would walk over to him and dress him down for his poor magical technique. Alternatively, he would meet Drizzt and duel him and beat him handily in a sword fight because, you know, he is Xal--of course he is going to win. I mean, why not? He has already conceptually seized control over the Harpers, united all the Half-Elves of Aglarond, radically transformed Amnian culture, and is a major threat to the Eldreth Veluuthra and every other elf who would see him as an abomination--all before the game even starts. Not only that he is a widely successful merchant who is fantastically beautiful with eight charisma.
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LordofBones
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Posted - 11 Oct 2014 : 17:52:25
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It could actually be fun to roleplay that kind of character, who'd be endlessly frustrated as to why these people he's so helpfully advising just don't get it. In short, Xal plays him exactly as he wants, while the rest of the world reacts appropriately.
Because that's only way I can see this character actually being played. The various reality-warping casters aren't going to be amused by Jim Bob the Elf-Orc coming up to them and lecturing them on magical theory. |
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Aldrick
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Posted - 11 Oct 2014 : 18:16:22
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It could actually be fun to roleplay that kind of character, who'd be endlessly frustrated as to why these people he's so helpfully advising just don't get it. In short, Xal plays him exactly as he wants, while the rest of the world reacts appropriately.
Sure, that could be funny. However, we both know that is not what he wants, and he would get extremely frustrated the moment the world does not recognize the awesome-sauce that is Xal Valzar.
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Because that's only way I can see this character actually being played. The various reality-warping casters aren't going to be amused by Jim Bob the Elf-Orc coming up to them and lecturing them on magical theory.
I honestly have to laugh at the thought of it actually playing out. What should happen to him? Should they just disintegrate him? Oh, no! They should just hurl him through the nearest portal to Sigil. That way he can stand toe-to-toe with the Lady of Pain and tell her how awesome he is in relation to her, and how she is running the place all wrong. |
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Xal Valzar
Learned Scribe
Argentina
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Posted - 11 Oct 2014 : 21:25:56
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It could actually be fun to roleplay that kind of character, who'd be endlessly frustrated as to why these people he's so helpfully advising just don't get it. In short, Xal plays him exactly as he wants, while the rest of the world reacts appropriately.
Sure, that could be funny. However, we both know that is not what he wants, and he would get extremely frustrated the moment the world does not recognize the awesome-sauce that is Xal Valzar.
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Because that's only way I can see this character actually being played. The various reality-warping casters aren't going to be amused by Jim Bob the Elf-Orc coming up to them and lecturing them on magical theory.
I honestly have to laugh at the thought of it actually playing out. What should happen to him? Should they just disintegrate him? Oh, no! They should just hurl him through the nearest portal to Sigil. That way he can stand toe-to-toe with the Lady of Pain and tell her how awesome he is in relation to her, and how she is running the place all wrong.
hell just counter spell and wrap up to them and chop them off. his bunus to counter spell is as high as a wizard of his level. and he only needs 3 turns to chop up a wizard. so no, ur wrong about that. |
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Xal Valzar
Learned Scribe
Argentina
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Posted - 11 Oct 2014 : 21:53:11
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[quote]Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Basically, we are at the point right now where if Xal encountered Elminster, he would walk over to him and dress him down for his poor magical technique. Alternatively, he would meet Drizzt and duel him and beat him handily in a sword fight because, you know, he is Xal--of course he is going to win. I mean, why not? He has already conceptually seized control over the Harpers, united all the Half-Elves of Aglarond, radically transformed Amnian culture, and is a major threat to the Eldreth Veluuthra and every other elf who would see him as an abomination--all before the game even starts. Not only that he is a widely successful merchant who is fantastically beautiful with eight charisma.
He is setting himself up for disappointment and failure.
i told you already if you know magic and you care about practice you become a merchant where u can put ur knowledge to good use. secondly knowledge is power, and when people adopt his aproach to magic they will see the tremendous value it has for life. though i have to add thats not his orginal approach, its the philospher god based on Francis Bacon IRL (part of the DM's world).
i dont know what is Elminsters aproach to magic so i cant tell...
he didnt sieze control of the harpers he just told them that his and thier intrests lie in the same goal.
although he is not very charismatic he is very very inspiring, think of someone like Lincolne. A charisma of 6 ir 7 but he abolished slavery.
all of that stuff is to goals for him to do in the future, his friend is an Arcane Trickster who shares the same outlook on magic as him and wants to also open a merchanent buisness with him as partner. also his friend is a drow who suffers the same kind of prejeduce as him.
btw he might be able to beat Drizzt in a duel for a few reasons, Drizzt is not physicly powerful though he is dexterous - he would loose in a grappling match where Xal can cast shocking grasp with ease and do major damage, also Xal can cast Stoneskin and Bladeward and True Strike and Fire Shield and Haste and Shield.
Stoneskin and Bladeward make the damage from melee reduced by half.
True strike ensures an almost definate hit with a weapon. Shield spell plus a shield and the haste spell increase his AC exponentaly to higher then an Ancient Dragons. Fire Shield deals damage whenever he would hit. also he will win for sure in a grapple if it comes to that. |
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Ayrik
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Posted - 11 Oct 2014 : 22:29:21
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Ah, now, Mary-Sue or not, excessively flawless or not, I will say that I applaud XV's tenacious focus and self-determinism. And a character viewed as a racial abomination (by some, at least) does indeed face sufficient adversity to motivate an adventuring career. Such stuff seeds the birth of legends like Drizzt.
I wouldn't allow such a PC in my campaigns. While "More is good", "All is *not* better". Weird and outlandish and exotic are good, but just-too-freakin-far-out-there-and-pointlessly-bizarre tends to basically be counterproductive. My personal outlook is that all characters should be balanced, even if that means (helpful or detrimental) intangible unwritten qualities must be emphasized on a somewhat frequent basis. In the end, a PC who isn't comparable in terms of overall power, is far too privileged or is far too disadvantaged, one who halts or obstructs planned campaign storylines too often, and whose mere existence is enough to cause needless hardship to his allies - well, he is just too much of a headache to include in my group. Other DMs and other gaming groups have different playstyles where such PCs (and NPCs) can be less disruptive or might even be something of an expectation. |
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
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Posted - 11 Oct 2014 : 23:01:09
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Originally posted by Xal Valzar
btw if i know there location i can basicly go to Aglarond and rally a small force of half elfes behind me seeing how the EV wants to kill all of them.
What's going to motivate these half-elves to leave Aglarond, where they don't have to worry about the Eldreth Veluuthra? That's one heck of an argument -- "these guys are thousands of miles from here and don't know you exist. But they'd hate you if they did, so let's go fight them!"
the fact that they are offensive to their existance by the fact of hating them for their existance, why did so many people vulntere for the North in the civil war to stop slavery? why did USA go to fight in Europe and the World twice, once agianst the worst monster in history?
also its not like the EV is not trying to make a spell that tarrgets only half elfs and humans. secondly if they ever have enough power to tarrget a nation it probably will be Aglorand.
Ummmm, they didn't join up to fight slavery.... they joined up to prevent the south, who was their source of agriculture and cheap labor, from seceding the union. Also, many of them were forced into the military Don't believe the twisted agenda story that came later. |
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Xal Valzar
Learned Scribe
Argentina
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Posted - 11 Oct 2014 : 23:09:54
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Ummmm, they didn't join up to fight slavery.... they joined up to prevent the south, who was their source of agriculture and cheap labor, from seceding the union. Also, many of them were forced into the military Don't believe the twisted agenda story that came later.
other way around, people voted and made a party that would outlaw slavery and with it bring a war. it was not an issue of agriculture as the south was the least industrious of the states. |
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Wooly Rupert
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Xal Valzar
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 11 Oct 2014 : 23:20:57
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Okay, this really isn't the place to argue about real-world events.
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LordofBones
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Posted - 12 Oct 2014 : 03:56:07
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hell just counter spell and wrap up to them and chop them off. his bunus to counter spell is as high as a wizard of his level. and he only needs 3 turns to chop up a wizard. so no, ur wrong about that.
This, of course, supposes the wizard has an Int score of 10 and has survived this far by being a moron.
I'll put it this way: if the wizard wins initiative, he casts time stop. If you win initiative, the wizard casts greater celerity and then time stop. I have no idea how 5e plays out, but in 3.5e Xal dies horribly, because of shapechange and gate shenanigans. |
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