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Wrigley
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 Posted - 11 Dec 2016 : 14:12:28
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Gary Dallison
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Wrigley
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Posted - 11 Dec 2016 : 20:01:26
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So Damara and Vaasa it is then. That is still in my area of interest so keep going :-)
I would like to ask you to give some more flavour to Damara in your take. For me it is now only a goody good country with more wild than Implitur. Baronies squabbles have been played too many times and father of assasins is dead... Not much left but I think that it might be nice to rise up some legacies of old Narfell. |
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Gary Dallison
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Wrigley
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Posted - 12 Dec 2016 : 18:17:57
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Total reinvention...seems almost like a 5e 14th century :-D
Your mix of cultures sounds nice, I am looking forward to reading it. |
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Gary Dallison
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Wrigley
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Posted - 12 Dec 2016 : 22:40:10
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BTW just the idea I have been playing in my mind about Great Glacier - it has moved several times through ages in cycles (hint, hint) so there is great opportunity that there will be previously unaccesible ruins from different era.
(I was just kidding with 5e likeness) |
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Gary Dallison
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VikingLegion
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USA
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Posted - 15 Dec 2016 : 06:53:04
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Interesting thread. It's fun to see alternate takes on lands and histories, so here's a truly off-the-wall one I came up with:
[Disclaimer: My FR knowledge ends somewhere around the year 2000, so I know nothing of 4th/5th edition, the Sundering, or the Spellplague other than in the vaguest of concepts. So I apologize if anything I mention here has already come to pass]
I envision a Realms where the elven decline continues to such a drastic degree they are forced completely off the mainland. Furthermore, they are so weakened as a people they can no longer maintain the island defenses that keep Evermeet inviolate. To alleviate their crippling poverty, the Council has opened up Evermeet to outsiders as some kind of "Paradise on Toril" resort island (blasphemy!!!) Curious humans from Waterdeep, bored nobles from Sembia, even jaded officials from far off Kara-Tur have purchased seasonal vacation homes on the island, enjoying elverquisst toasts while receiving deep tissue massages from the oh-so dexterous hands of elven servants.
These often boorish human "guests" think nothing of throwing wild parties, trashing the resorts, overhunting the forest glens, and generally making a mess of everything. But their gold is good, so while the locals may seethe inwardly at the invasion of their once sacred isle, they are forced to put on smiles of obsequiousness as they wait hand and foot on their only viable means of income.
A younger generation of hotheads tries to re-establish elven pride and form small terrorist cells that ambush the resort towns and injure/kill the humans to discourage their visitation. Some of these elves are true adherents of the old ways and seek to return to past glory, but many are simply hooligans who join gangs for no other reason than to give vent to their pent-up rage, doing damage to their own peoples just as often as to the outsiders. Regardless of cell type or motivation, all of them are hunted ruthlessly by the Council, who realize the human tourists, distasteful as it may seem, represent the last gasp chance to revitalize a dying people. |
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Gary Dallison
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Zeromaru X
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Colombia
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Posted - 10 Jan 2018 : 23:33:57
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| Dazzler, I'm wondering if you don't mind if I use your Laerakond stuff from the older Alternate Dimensions Issues. I'm planning to tweak some stuff, as I like Laerakond being in Abeir before the Spellplague, but most of it is really useful for an idea I have. |
Instead of seeking change, you prefer a void, merciless abyss of a world... |
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sleyvas
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Posted - 22 Mar 2018 : 14:32:44
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Originally posted by dazzlerdal
So what should go into race/subrace article.
I looked over Races of Faerun but there is a lot in there that is more specific to nations than a subrace of people.
For example a list of gods for a subrace does not seem appropriate because gods are regional and a subrace can be split across multiple regions. Names do not seem appropriate either because that is again regional. Language is not appropriate because it can be regional (for instance Unther and Mulhorand are Mulan but have two different but related languages.
So I've got history, I've got the outlook (Mulan agree with slavery and following law and order). What else is there that needs including?
If you're specifying some article on race/subrace, one of the biggest things I can see are identifying features of said race. For instance, in no uncertain terms, what are their general skin, eye, and hair colors. For instance, I've heard people use terms like swarthy, dusky, etc... which are ambiguous. Terms like "lightly tanned" or "heavily tanned" or "dark brown to black skinned" or "extremely pale skinned", etc... tends to be non-ambiguous.
Other things might be tracking the movements of said race over time. For instance, did they arrive "from across the sea, and modern scholars assume they came from as far away as Anchorome or even farther, though some scholars wonder if they didn't actually arrive from Abeir or even another world".... or did they "arrive suddenly via a gate believed to be down in the modern day country of X". Naming any major countries in the past that the race was prominent in that perhaps doesn't exist any longer. In doing this, I'd recommend several maps like those shown in the Horde box showing the state of where races were during certain points in time.
Along these lines, we have the races from Races of Faerun, but also consider the fact that we had Laerakond arrive, and it had new human subraces arrive as well. Were there any migrations as a result (however, since I know 4e doesn't exist to you, I don't see you pursuing this path). |
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Wrigley
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Posted - 23 Mar 2018 : 14:23:58
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| I had thought about human orgins on Toril for long time. Look at description of Janni as I belive they are the precursor of humans before they settled in Material Plane. It also explain how they evolved differently in each part of Toril and how they got there. |
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Gary Dallison
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Baltas
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Posted - 23 Mar 2018 : 21:00:01
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To be fair, I myself thought Talfir could be possibly related to Chondathans, or rather Jhaamadathans, if on the basis the eyes of Silvanus you are talking about were fairly in the centre centre of the Jhaamdathan Empire, and close to which Jhaamdathan's "started out".
Eldath is implied to be strongly be originally from the Talfiric pantheon, ie having an ancient place of worship, and posibly dwelling once on the Moonshade Isles, an ancient Talfiric bastion, as detailed in Dragon #376:
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Myrloch: Oft featured in song, Myrloch is large
freshwater lake; its 800 square miles are deep, cold,
and clear. Centuries past illuskan settlers built
defensible, man-made islands on the loch, called
crannógs. Accessible by coracle, these small islands
served as shrines to the lake spirit Eldath. A handful
of crannóg remain today, preserved by nereids in
service to Sarifal.
Along with other details, like her relationship with Tempus (a confirmed Talfiric deity).
Yet Eldath name, contains the "dath" present also in Jhaamdath and Chondath.
Although I think Eldath was originally a fey deity, seing how she was conneted first closelly by Ed to Nymphs (worshipped by them, and though by Nymphs to be the source of some of their powers), in her first description, and to Nereids by Brain R. James.
It's also possible though the Turami could also be one or more of the tribes that founded Jhaamdath, mixied with other tribes to give rise to the Jhaamdathans (and eventually, Chondathans). With Eldath being an ancient Turami-Talfir power...if one that was originally an Archfey or Primal Spirit.
(Especially that seeing before the Time of Troubles, from what I know Eldath resided in the Materia Plane, it's possible she fully transitioned into a deity only after the Time of Troubles...)
The split between the Talfir and Turami (as well as Tashalans) would have to occur in pretty ancient times, as Talfir are described as fair skinned, of light eye colors and dark haired allready in quite ancient times (ie the Crown Wars).
It's more probable the Turami-Talfir that developed into the Talfir got lighter skinned, rather than vice-versa, as it's a more common process in nature among humans. Although that's a reall world detail
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Baltas
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Posted - 23 Mar 2018 : 22:12:52
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Well, I didn't claim you meant Talfir came from Turami, or vice-verse, just that the separation had to occur in very ancient times, which why I described the original population as "Turami-Talfir", compare to the terms Indo-Iranians, or Indo-Europeans etc.
And I just think Eldath, might be just a Turami-Talfir deity, seeing her asociation with arguable cultural enclaves of both populations (ie the Moonshade Isles for Talfir (retained a Talfitic language), and the Eyes of Silvanus). With possibly Turami introducing Eldath to the Jhaamdath pantheon.
Again, I also suggested Eldath is quite probable a Fey Deity (probably being originally an Archfey or Primal Spirit), so it's possible both populations got the worship of Eldath from local Fey or Elves... |
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Wrigley
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Posted - 24 Mar 2018 : 14:23:08
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Originally posted by dazzlerdal
What's the source for this jann origin, it sounds interesting.
Humans are native to toril, or so we think, but not all humans ethnicities are native to toril. In fact most human ethnicities seem to be from elsewhere.
The turami and talfir are likely the two native ethnicities and I think tashalan are the third. All descended from the same now vanished human ethnicity which existed along the South eastern shores of the lake of steam. It was enslaved by the sarrukh early on and spread with the sarrukh when they dispersed to found their empires.
The jann origin seems more likely for a single non native ethnicity and the calishite seem the most likely candidate in faerun.
It came from my head :-) I do not like the evolution-like take with crossing from Earth so I have focused on Toril. As all other races humans were created by higher beings to populate Toril. In this case Janni were among the eldest as they came from Inner planes as messangers and servants of other elemental entities that carved and shaped Toril at those ancient times. For this reason they were special amongst other elementals as they lacked affinity to specific element so they can work with and for all others regardless of their hatered (water x fire, air x earth, positive x negative). Later on with their task on Toril done most of the elemental lords returned to Planes or slumbered in their domain and Janni were left to their devices. Some returned to Planes with their masters but most make Toril their home and they became native. As they lost some of their powers and without their masters for the first time most of them wandered this new land without aim and slowly learned about their new needs like hunger, sleep and procreation and thus living in tribal societies. They were crafty and found ways to use tools and magic to their advantage and also found their unique ability to absorb foreign elements into their being and thus thrive in almost any place on Toril (creating proto-ethincs and various crosbreeds). At this time other mighty races came to Toril (Sarrukh, Batrachi) and ensalved those humans they found to forge their new empires. |
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