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Barastir
Master of Realmslore
Brazil
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 Posted - 07 Nov 2013 : 16:57:35
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It makes sense, even if one blade would suffice to spoil the process of choosing the king. Maybe they would let go AFTER the king was chosen... But maybe you're right... That's why I let it open, as I said.
And Masked Mage, have you seen that I asked (please) for the reference to the moonbeam moonblade? Any other sage?  |
"Goodness is not a natural state, but must be
fought for to be attained and maintained.
Lead by example.
Let your deeds speak your intentions.
Goodness radiated from the heart."
The Paladin's Virtues, excerpt from the "Quentin's Monograph"
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The Masked Mage
Great Reader
USA
2420 Posts |
Posted - 07 Nov 2013 : 20:57:03
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Originally posted by Barastir
And Masked Mage, have you seen that I asked (please) for the reference to the moonbeam moonblade? Any other sage?
I have now. :)
The easiest place to find it is among all the other swords in the 4th Encyclopedia Magica book.
Originally, it was in the article 'Of Kings Unknown' from Dungeon Magazine 25 on Page 30. Also to be found in the article are moonmelons and moonorcs. |
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The Masked Mage
Great Reader
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2420 Posts |
Posted - 08 Nov 2013 : 03:16:51
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Originally posted by Firestorm
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Originally posted by Nicolai Withander
Have there ever been examples of a sunelf noble family having a Moonblade? Or perhaps Sunblades?
Isn't it death for a Gold Elf to try to draw a moonblade?
Like, even Elaith's heir Azariah, who is half Moon Elf, could not draw hers without dying.
Moonblades in particular were special only for Moon elves.
But there were always special Elf Swords. The Elfsword of Myth Drannor was a ruler's blade was it not? And any worthy elf could draw it
It was never established that Azariah could not draw her moon blade. In fact, in one short story she picks it up without ill effects (aside from Elaith's temper, that is). His concern in my view (I never asked if I read it correctly) was that she was not properly prepared. Elaith trained for over a century to be worthy of the blade and in the end found out that he was not worthy. It was perhaps his greatest fear that the same shame that drove him from his ancestral homelands and his love would fall upon his daughter.
If only we could convince WOTC to contract Elaine to finish the novels she was working on... |
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Barastir
Master of Realmslore
Brazil
1600 Posts |
Posted - 08 Nov 2013 : 12:42:59
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Originally posted by The Masked Mage
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Originally posted by Firestorm
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Like, even Elaith's heir Azariah, who is half Moon Elf, could not draw hers without dying.
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It was never established that Azariah could not draw her moon blade. In fact, in one short story she picks it up without ill effects (aside from Elaith's temper, that is).
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In fact, as we discussed before in elven genetics, she was not a half moon or even a gold elf, she was a moon elf.
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Originally posted by The Masked Mage
If only we could convince WOTC to contract Elaine to finish the novels she was working on...
We wish so, but this issue is deeper, and involves Mrs. Cunningham ending her novels - both Reclamation and The Serpent's Daughter were projects that she was actually contracted by WOTC to do but could not finish for her own reasons, among them the need to change some plans after the publishing of new lore about the moonblades, in canon. Face to this new lore, she could not use some elements she devised originally. |
"Goodness is not a natural state, but must be
fought for to be attained and maintained.
Lead by example.
Let your deeds speak your intentions.
Goodness radiated from the heart."
The Paladin's Virtues, excerpt from the "Quentin's Monograph"
(by Ed Greenwood) |
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Barastir
Master of Realmslore
Brazil
1600 Posts |
Posted - 08 Nov 2013 : 12:45:48
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Originally posted by The Masked Mage
Originally, it was in the article 'Of Kings Unknown' from Dungeon Magazine 25 on Page 30.
Thank you very much, Masked Mage!
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Originally posted by The Masked Mage
Also to be found in the article are moonmelons and moonorcs.
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"Goodness is not a natural state, but must be
fought for to be attained and maintained.
Lead by example.
Let your deeds speak your intentions.
Goodness radiated from the heart."
The Paladin's Virtues, excerpt from the "Quentin's Monograph"
(by Ed Greenwood) |
Edited by - Barastir on 08 Nov 2013 12:46:31 |
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The Masked Mage
Great Reader
USA
2420 Posts |
Posted - 09 Nov 2013 : 03:59:38
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Nothin like a good moonmelon on a warm summer night :P
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TBeholder
Great Reader
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Posted - 09 Nov 2013 : 08:10:05
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Originally posted by Barastir
In my campaign, so, the very few elves who possibly heard about the Starym moonblade specifically would dismiss the idea, believing the Seldarine to be too powerful for a human god to corrupt one of their artifacts...
This was a more likely attitude before Myth Drannor. Also, but Moander is not only "a human god", it corrupted elves too when it could.
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Originally posted by Barastir
I see it, but unless Moander had a very good way of hiding it, I think the Seldarine would be vigilant and maybe would counteract after the corruption. After all, such corruption would have a huge impact over all the elven People in the Realms.
This also raises the question of Moander corrupting, you know, elves.
And, as the Giant Space Hamster of Ill Omen already mentioned, it was noticed in Tyche only when well underway.
Thus one slightly subverted (not blatantly changed to something entirely different) blessed artifact (not even a full relic as such) would not immediately stand out either, especially since at this point it was just a cool magical item, no stored spirits.
Thus the answer remains "possible", whether it happened or is just a runaway cautionary fairy-tale entwined with something else. |
People never wonder How the world goes round -Helloween
And even I make no pretense Of having more than common sense -R.W.Wood
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The Masked Mage
Great Reader
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Posted - 10 Nov 2013 : 04:12:05
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| I think it is basically a rule that (with a few minor exceptions), the gods of FR don't keep track of the items they have blessed. Yes there are a couple that seem to have their constant attention but not many. For the most part, they leave all that to their clergy/followers to deal with. So in this case - its up to the elves to look after moonblades. |
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Barastir
Master of Realmslore
Brazil
1600 Posts |
Posted - 11 Nov 2013 : 11:20:41
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Originally posted by The Masked Mage
I think it is basically a rule that (with a few minor exceptions), the gods of FR don't keep track of the items they have blessed. Yes there are a couple that seem to have their constant attention but not many. For the most part, they leave all that to their clergy/followers to deal with. So in this case - its up to the elves to look after moonblades.
I'd say since moonblades would possibly shape the future of the entire elven people it would be one of the few items that would have continual attention from the Seldarine. But lore only says clearly that they had and have the perpetual attention of the elves - even after the choosing of the king, since Mrs. Cunningham once declared that in the unlikely possibility that the royal family is totally wiped out, another clan would possibly be determines by their moonblade powers and sucession, just like in the original choosing. Being so, I can agree that using their followers the Seldarine would be, in a way, taking care of this issue. But I cannot say the Seldarine are not watching... Once again, that's why it's open in my game. We don't have to determine everything, after all. If you like the Starym moonblade idea, you can opt for this explanation, though.  |
"Goodness is not a natural state, but must be
fought for to be attained and maintained.
Lead by example.
Let your deeds speak your intentions.
Goodness radiated from the heart."
The Paladin's Virtues, excerpt from the "Quentin's Monograph"
(by Ed Greenwood) |
Edited by - Barastir on 11 Nov 2013 11:59:56 |
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Barastir
Master of Realmslore
Brazil
1600 Posts |
Posted - 11 Nov 2013 : 11:56:21
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Originally posted by TBeholder
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Moander is not only "a human god", it corrupted elves too when it could.
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This also raises the question of Moander corrupting, you know, elves.
I was considering him a human deity because he doesn't belong to the elven pantheon. But yes, gods from one pantheon interfere in the lives of other races, either directly (by Moander corrupting elves or Solonor accepting human archers in his holy grounds in Evereska) or indirectly (by all followers declaring war against an enemy race, for example). But yes, you can think of some deities - maybe most - as conceptual beings, not belonging to one race or the other.
This issue is discussed in 2e Draconomicon, among other sources, where it is stated that maybe the god of justice of the dragons and Tyr are different aspects of the same deity, or that Tyr would appear to dragons as a draconic god, even if he showed himself up as a mighty dragon.
In 2e DragonLance, where there are only 21 gods, this is true and clearly seen. And I think 4e has gone that way, by declaring that Sehanine and Selūne are one and the same, as Gruumsh and Talos would be different names of but one deity. Not my choice in my campaigns, but yet a possibility.
I think gods are gods, and too powerful for human beings to deal with, unless in very exceptional circumstances, and could be only checked by deities of greater stature. But this may not be the case, as discussed before.
EDIT: But most important, understanding deities and their roles and relations among themselves should be beyond the scope of mortal PCs, and left as a mysterious and undefined matter, maybe even more supernatural and unreachable than magic itself. |
"Goodness is not a natural state, but must be
fought for to be attained and maintained.
Lead by example.
Let your deeds speak your intentions.
Goodness radiated from the heart."
The Paladin's Virtues, excerpt from the "Quentin's Monograph"
(by Ed Greenwood) |
Edited by - Barastir on 11 Nov 2013 13:44:22 |
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Barastir
Master of Realmslore
Brazil
1600 Posts |
Posted - 12 Nov 2013 : 12:56:14
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Originally posted by TBeholder
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Originally posted by Barastir
In my campaign, so, the very few elves who possibly heard about the Starym moonblade specifically would dismiss the idea, believing the Seldarine to be too powerful for a human god to corrupt one of their artifacts...
This was a more likely attitude before Myth Drannor. Also, but Moander is not only "a human god", it corrupted elves too when it could.
I just read it again. In fact, I was implying that ELVES would consider him an human deity, since he is not part of the Seldarine. But actually I'd better replace "human" with N'Tel'Quess deity.
EDIT: As for before or after Myth Drannor, I don't think elven attitude towards humans changed after this or that event or period in time. There were and are some places - like Myth Drannor and Silverymoon - in which these racial relations were better, but there are still many haughty elves around, in every time you consider. |
"Goodness is not a natural state, but must be
fought for to be attained and maintained.
Lead by example.
Let your deeds speak your intentions.
Goodness radiated from the heart."
The Paladin's Virtues, excerpt from the "Quentin's Monograph"
(by Ed Greenwood) |
Edited by - Barastir on 12 Nov 2013 18:21:09 |
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khorne
Master of Realmslore
Finland
1073 Posts |
Posted - 20 Dec 2013 : 15:34:00
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| I must say that this is something that has bothered me ever since I first read about Moonblades. It just seemed...iffy to me that an entire race of elves were inherently incapable of being worthy of one of the swords. |
If I were a ranger, I would pick NDA for my favorite enemy |
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Nicolai Withander
Master of Realmslore
Denmark
1093 Posts |
Posted - 07 Jan 2014 : 00:07:48
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Yeah well its part of the mystery i guess.
By the way. Thanks for all the knowledgable answers! |
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