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Nicolai Withander
Master of Realmslore
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 Posted - 03 Nov 2013 : 22:00:14
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Have there ever been examples of a sunelf noble family having a Moonblade? Or perhaps Sunblades?
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Firestorm
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 03 Nov 2013 : 22:10:58
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quote:
Originally posted by Nicolai Withander
Have there ever been examples of a sunelf noble family having a Moonblade? Or perhaps Sunblades?
Isn't it death for a Gold Elf to try to draw a moonblade?
Like, even Elaith's heir Azariah, who is half Moon Elf, could not draw hers without dying.
Moonblades in particular were special only for Moon elves.
But there were always special Elf Swords. The Elfsword of Myth Drannor was a ruler's blade was it not? And any worthy elf could draw it |
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Hoondatha
Great Reader
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Posted - 03 Nov 2013 : 22:11:56
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Having moonblades? Yes.
Wielding moonblades? No. At the initial claiming session the moonblades killed scores of the best sun elves alive. Finally the sun elves were forced to accept that they weren't able to wield them. Maybe a dozen families came forward to take possession of dormant moonblades "for future generations," but none have ever been successfully wielded in the time since. |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
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Posted - 04 Nov 2013 : 00:17:48
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There is a short story by Richard Baker (I think) in the anthology "Realms of the Elves" which features a gold elf moonblade wielder.
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Kentinal
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Posted - 04 Nov 2013 : 00:24:26
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| *nods* Elaine was not happy about that as I recall. |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
6666 Posts |
Posted - 04 Nov 2013 : 05:20:06
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"Not happy" is probably understating it a tad.
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Barastir
Master of Realmslore
Brazil
1600 Posts |
Posted - 04 Nov 2013 : 11:03:12
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I've studied this topic a bit, to the point of collecting all moonblade lore available in Candlekeep at the time, some years ago, and so I think I can help answering this.
Originally, Mrs. Cunningham's idea was that all the elven noble clans could have their family moonblades, but only moon elves - in the first claiming and through history - survived claiming the blades (sun elf survivors were only those who were the last of their lines, thus deactivating their family blades forever, as dormant blades). It happened because the blades were created to choose the future royal family of Evermeet, and so the swords should find the right characteristics for the rulers who should guide the elven race in this future. Moon elves, unlike sun elves, had a vital characteristic to be this royalty, for they were open to deal with other races - note, while individual sun elves could have this trait, it is only natural to moon elves, who would keep it on the entire clan lineage.
In fact, when Ethlando created or instructed the creation of the moonblades, he admitted that moon elves were the only elves suited to royalty in these terms, but he let the sun elf clans try because at the time it would be a problem not to give sun elves the chance of claiming their blades - as the nobility of the time, they would not accept being denied the chance, and they actually got shocked when they realized that only moon elves survived the first claiming. Even then, many sun elf clans tried a new claiming with the second sons on the line - all dying, once again, and only after that they ceased trying, keeping the moonblades for further claiming. Since the offspring of elves of different subraces are born with the characteristics of one of his or her parents, eventually a moon elf could be born out of a sun elf clan, and some of these sun elf moonblades would possibly be claimed in the future.
However, after some years other authors published game lore and novels about the moonblades, sometimes without the consent or even the knowledge of Mrs. Cunningham, and modifying her original idea about the blades and even forcing her to alter her plans to the stories of Arilyn, Elaith and the Song and Swords series. Mrs. Cunningham accepted it elegantly, since the rights over the moonblade are not hers, and tried to adapt herself to the new lore.
Among this new game lore, stories of at least one sun elf and of a green elf, IIRC, claiming moonblades, were published. I'm not entirely sure, but I think there was even a story about a human with some elven ancestry claiming a blade.
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Hoondatha
Great Reader
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Posted - 04 Nov 2013 : 14:47:50
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| Half-elf, yes. Realms of Elves was not kind to moonblade lore. |
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SirUrza
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 04 Nov 2013 : 18:00:02
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Basically if there's moonelf blood in the family, then it's possible that a sunelf that's more moonelf than sunelf could become a potential wielder.
I actually have a character that's like this. Sadly the campaign ended very early and I never got to fully develop it. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 04 Nov 2013 : 18:37:55
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quote:
Originally posted by SirUrza
Basically if there's moonelf blood in the family, then it's possible that a sunelf that's more moonelf than sunelf could become a potential wielder.
I actually have a character that's like this. Sadly the campaign ended very early and I never got to fully develop it.
Not really. In the Realms, the various different elven races breed true. A sun elf and a moon elf couple would produce kids that were either moon elves or sun elves -- no mixture at all. There might be one sun elf kid and three moon elf kids, or 2 and 2, or all 4 sun elves -- but no mixture of the two.
Granted, this is not how biology generally works, but that's how it is in the Realms. |
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Barastir
Master of Realmslore
Brazil
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Posted - 04 Nov 2013 : 18:41:16
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Originally posted by SirUrza
...a sunelf that's more moonelf than sunelf...
Well, at least by the rules I read, if an elf had more moon elf than sun elf blood, he or she would be a moon elf, even if he or she was born in a sun elf clan, right? That's why I said that "Since the offspring of elves of different subraces are born with the characteristics of one of his or her parents, eventually a moon elf could be born out of a sun elf clan, and some of these sun elf moonblades would possibly be claimed in the future." How elf genetics work, I don't know for sure.
In the RW, the inheritance of some genetic characteristics is gradual, depending on various allels to determine the fenotype, like the color of the eye, and others were determined and depending on fewer genes (even one pair). One example would be leopards and jaguars: there are genes to melanistic cats (black ones) and genes for not melanistic ones (yellow "spotted" ones). The offspring of a spotted cat and a black one would not be of a color between yellow and black, but yellow OR black (the yellow gene being dominant in leopards but not so in jaguars, apparently). So, elves probably follow the jaguar genetic characteristics in melanism, but in a wider scope. 
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Hoondatha
Great Reader
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Posted - 04 Nov 2013 : 23:11:56
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| On the other hand, I could see certain gold elf families having a moon elf child and then weaving some sort of permanent illusion over them to make them look like a sun elf. Then they'd have the child draw the dormant family moonblade, so that they could then trumpet "we're the first gold elf family worthy of a moonblade!" Of course, it would all be a sham, since the person was actually a moon elf all along, but if you spent some time getting tricky with illusions... |
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Barastir
Master of Realmslore
Brazil
1600 Posts |
Posted - 05 Nov 2013 : 11:34:06
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Originally posted by Hoondatha
...Then they'd have the child draw the dormant family moonblade, so that they could then trumpet...
Actually, he or she would claim an active moonblade, not a dormant one; an active moonblade can be saved for a worthy wielder, a dormant one is usually lost. The Craulnober blade is an exception, for it went dormant when Elaith drew it, but later, in a once in a lifetime - in elven time - moment of redemption, it was re-activated... 
PS: I don't see a moonblade accepting a moon elf that agrees with this kind of deception. |
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
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Posted - 05 Nov 2013 : 13:10:04
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| Yeah, I don't see a moonblade accepting someone who agrees to this kind of deception, nor do I see any illusion being foolproof enough to fool anyone. You KNOW there'd be so much scrutiny (dispels cast, antimagic shells raised, detections spells) that it'd never pass. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 05 Nov 2013 : 17:32:17
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We do have at least one moonblade that has become corrupted... It's not unreasonable to assume another may have also been corrupted or at least twisted.
Another possibility -- one that could allow for a moonblade to pass to a non-moon elf -- is if a moonblade is somehow re-purposed. Perhaps a blade could have been modified by powerful magic, so that Evermeet's succession is no longer an issue for it. Or maybe it could be something like what happened with Arilyn's moonblade -- first, she modified it so that Danilo could touch it, and then she replaced that power with the dedication to the elves of Tethyr.
What if a moon elf, somewhere along the way, added the ability for their sun elf lover to wield the blade? What if the moon elven offspring of this union, also a moonfighter, later needed an unrelated elf to wield the blade for some really noble cause that helped all elves? And so on... It'd be a multi-step, unique process, but it's not unreasonable to assume that after several generations, a blade could be removed from the succession process and rededicated to another purpose, thus accepting any suitable elven wielder.
It's not something I, personally, would do -- I prefer to keep the blades with their original purpose. But if the backstory was done correctly -- which would include some very compelling reasons for the change -- then I could see a one-off moonblade that could be wielded by non-moon elves. And you could even use this to explain away Rich Baker's flub, which as I recall he admitted was because he wasn't familiar with the moonblade lore.
Of course, it would be considerably easier to simply hand your gold elf a powerful, unique magic sword that wasn't a moonblade. At some point, it simply isn't worth the effort to justify something.
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SirUrza
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 05 Nov 2013 : 17:58:16
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| What I meant by "a sunelf that's more moonelf than sunelf" was that this individual was the Drizzt of sunelves. He/she would be a full blooded sunelf, but she wouldn't act/behave/think like other sunelves. I always been of the opinion that the moonblades rejected the sunelves because they're well.. jerks (keeping it pg.) |
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The Masked Mage
Great Reader
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Posted - 06 Nov 2013 : 03:30:45
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I once had an ongoing conversation about this very topic with Elaine. It was after Volos Guide To All Things Magical and the publication of the Starym Moonblade. No, she was not at all happy about it. :P
I on the other hand loved the idea of the corrupted blade, though I thought its history was too short so i extended it back a dozen generations or so. :D
In the end, I think all of the changes in moonblade lore over the years have been well thought out (NOTE - I do not in any way like the ritual at the end of the Blackstaff novel that used inert moonblades for towers around the unsharn. In my world nothing in that chapter ever happened. I don't know if 4th Ed. brought any new changes so assume I'm not talking about those if they exist). In theory, the test of the moonblade is a ritual that judges an individual's worth - not the worth of his or her family. This is the thinking that allows for moonblade wielders that are not moon elves. I cannot imagine anyone would want to argue that had Coronal Eltargrim or Josidiah Starym or the Srinshee attempted to draw a moonblade that it would have found any of them unfit and struck them down. All were successful in drawing one of the Elfblades with similar tests of character and worth, remember, and all were gold elves of exceptional character.
There is a trait, more common to moon elves than to other types of elves that I think is key. It is to look at themselves as "elves" not as moon elves. The moonblades are magic created in service to the Seldarine and in service to ALL elves. An elf whose outlook reflects this thinking - an elf who lives to serve and protect all elves would not be found wanting. The stereotypes attributed to each of the elven races are no more concrete than those attributed to RW races. Sometimes they hold true, but other times they could not be less accurate. |
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The Masked Mage
Great Reader
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Posted - 06 Nov 2013 : 03:40:44
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Originally posted by Nicolai Withander
Have there ever been examples of a sunelf noble family having a Moonblade? Or perhaps Sunblades?
As an alternate note, there were 'moonblades' and 'sunblades' published by TSR in the years before Elaine wrote her books. These were not in any way related to elves. Sunblades were from the DMG and had a sunray power and moonblades had a moonbeam power. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 06 Nov 2013 : 03:48:15
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Re: the Starym Moonblade...
I'll throw in a little of what Eric Boyd said with regard to his work on the Starym Moonblade -
" ... as the creator of said Starym Moonblade, I would characterize it as a "former moonblade." It was a moonblade. Then it was corrupted by a god (Moander). Therefore, it's not really a moonblade any more, but obviously it is still referred to as such (and thinks of itself as such)." |
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Barastir
Master of Realmslore
Brazil
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Posted - 06 Nov 2013 : 10:20:21
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Originally posted by SirUrza
What I meant by "a sunelf that's more moonelf than sunelf" was that this individual was the Drizzt of sunelves...
Well, about this possibility, I wrote in my post: "note, while individual sun elves could have this trait, it is only natural to moon elves, who would keep it on the entire clan lineage." We must remember that the sword chose individuals but that their ultimate role was to find a lineage worthy of becoming the rulers of Evermeet. So, one individual claiming one blade would not be a big deal.
About the moonblades cited by The Masked Mage, they are obviously another kind of item with the same name, not the famed blades we are discussing about here (there are also "moonblades" that are magical constructs created by a spell from Selūne - and Sehanine - followers). TMM, can you please cite where can I find these moonblades you mentioned? |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 06 Nov 2013 : 10:48:36
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Originally posted by The Masked Mage
In the end, I think all of the changes in moonblade lore over the years have been well thought out (NOTE - I do not in any way like the ritual at the end of the Blackstaff novel that used inert moonblades for towers around the unsharn. In my world nothing in that chapter ever happened. I don't know if 4th Ed. brought any new changes so assume I'm not talking about those if they exist).
I'm intrigued as to why you didn't like Steven's Hopeblade idea. Care to expand?
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 06 Nov 2013 : 12:54:37
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And here I thought Elaine would have been more miffed by Rich stealing her 'plant only once' Tree of Souls. Compared to that, the Moonblades are a minor thing, IMO.
I liked the idea of a corrupted Moonblade for the Staryms, though. Thats a nice work-around.
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Barastir
Master of Realmslore
Brazil
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Posted - 06 Nov 2013 : 15:46:52
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I accepted or liked the Starym moonblade story when I first saw it, but Mrs. Cunningham said something interesting about the topic: the moonblades were created with the blessings of an entire pantheon, and so it is arguable that one god (and one of a lesser status, by the way, even if his portfolio is specific about corruption) could so easily corrupt one of the blades. Of course, this is one of the changes that came without Mrs. Cunningham knowledge or consent, and seeing that way I can only agree with her, specially if you think that corrupting one blade a lesser god would possibly affect the Sedarine's plan of choosing a worthy ruler to Evermeet.
EDIT: The alternative would be that the Starym moonblade would be only a legend, a human fabrication. In my campaign, I left the possibilities open, and I'll probably never use this artifact. |
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Lead by example.
Let your deeds speak your intentions.
Goodness radiated from the heart."
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(by Ed Greenwood) |
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The Masked Mage
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Posted - 07 Nov 2013 : 00:09:47
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Originally posted by George Krashos
quote:
Originally posted by The Masked Mage
In the end, I think all of the changes in moonblade lore over the years have been well thought out (NOTE - I do not in any way like the ritual at the end of the Blackstaff novel that used inert moonblades for towers around the unsharn. In my world nothing in that chapter ever happened. I don't know if 4th Ed. brought any new changes so assume I'm not talking about those if they exist).
I'm intrigued as to why you didn't like Steven's Hopeblade idea. Care to expand?
-- George Krashos
Krash - It was not only the Hopeblade idea that I didn't like, but rather all of the novel that dealt with the centuries long planned ritual. Basically, the entire book read like - here is one bit of cryptic Realm's Lore I can take and explain and change to make my own - and here's another - and another... on and on. The sharn's mysterious nature wiped away, the NPCs that were either resurrected or redirected or permanently killed off, the High Moor spoiled by a new lovely summer getaway land of peace and harmony and elves that shite rainbows, the moonblades, etc. - for me that book was basically the moment I realized any hope I had for realms future products was doomed. It was the last one I read until E.G. did his newer ones
NOTE: reading through this scroll again this sounds much harsher than I meant it :P sorry Steven. Guess that's what happens when a scribe from Wisconsin forgets to keep track of his ale :D |
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The Masked Mage
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Posted - 07 Nov 2013 : 00:13:53
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Originally posted by Barastir
I accepted or liked the Starym moonblade story when I first saw it, but Mrs. Cunningham said something interesting about the topic: the moonblades were created with the blessings of an entire pantheon, and so it is arguable that one god (and one of a lesser status, by the way, even if his portfolio is specific about corruption) could so easily corrupt one of the blades. Of course, this is one of the changes that came without Mrs. Cunningham knowledge or consent, and seeing that way I can only agree with her, specially if you think that corrupting one blade a lesser god would possibly affect the Sedarine's plan of choosing a worthy ruler to Evermeet.
Yeah, she said the same thing to me once, but my reply was simple. For most gods, I would accept that logic, but Moander is the god of corruption. Corruption is not only what he does, it is what he is. The idea that anything is wholly incorruptible by nature doesn't wash in my mind so if anyone can do it, it would be him. Further, Moander and the elves have a long history of such corruption (basically all of the interesting history we have for Moander involves the elves up until Alias. |
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The Masked Mage
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Posted - 07 Nov 2013 : 00:20:00
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Originally posted by Barastir
EDIT: The alternative would be that the Starym moonblade would be only a legend, a human fabrication. In my campaign, I left the possibilities open, and I'll probably never use this artifact.
For me, I like magic to be more mysterious. Most of the humans in Faerun would have never heard of moonblades at all, and given it's history, I'd like to think that almost no one anywhere - including the vast majority of elves - know that the Starym moonblade is out there somewhere. At best there would be rumors, as none of the blade wielders in the past would likely come forward to offer information. |
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The Masked Mage
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Posted - 07 Nov 2013 : 00:22:49
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Originally posted by Markustay
And here I thought Elaine would have been more miffed by Rich stealing her 'plant only once' Tree of Souls. Compared to that, the Moonblades are a minor thing, IMO.
I think the difference is that moonblades were her idea (and the central theme of about 1/3 of her work) and the TOS she got from someone else. |
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Barastir
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Posted - 07 Nov 2013 : 11:15:20
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Originally posted by The Masked Mage
For me, I like magic to be more mysterious. Most of the humans in Faerun would have never heard of moonblades at all, and given it's history, I'd like to think that almost no one anywhere - including the vast majority of elves - know that the Starym moonblade is out there somewhere. At best there would be rumors, as none of the blade wielders in the past would likely come forward to offer information.
I like this, too. Magic IS mysterious in my games, but as far as I know the moonblades existence and purpose is quite known among the elves because the swords would determine their royalty, so they should know rumors about the blades to accept the king or queen that would come through them (it's the "Excalibur" of the elves). Note that the specific powers would not be known, but they would see moonfighters in awe and respect.
Humans started hearing about it only in multi-racial societies where elves are very present and/or influent (like Myth Drannor or Silverymoon), since this story is millenia old, and even then it would happen rarely, but with more frequency specially after Danilo Thann told a bit of his story in his ballads - that are canonically recognized as popular, at least in Waterdeep and its surroundings.
As for Moander being the god of corruption, I've mentioned this in my previous posts, so it's a matter of opinion. I think maybe Moander could do it when he was in his prime, but it seems he was already weakened at the time of the corruption of the Starym moonblade. Besides, there was an entire pantheon who could deal with the powers that oppose corruption, and that would apply their portfolios to impede it from happening (at least one would have a portfolio against corruption, and all have a greater status than Moander's), but once again, this is only what I think, and in fact this is irrelevant to my game, so I don't spend too much time thinking about it.
In my campaign, so, the very few elves who possibly heard about the Starym moonblade specifically would dismiss the idea, believing the Seldarine to be too powerful for a human god to corrupt one of their artifacts... But I let it open, as I said, for magic is mysterious, and because the stance of the elves could be pure arrogance from their part. 
EDIT: How about the other moonblades' (the ones with the moonbeam power) source? |
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Let your deeds speak your intentions.
Goodness radiated from the heart."
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 07 Nov 2013 : 11:57:09
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| There's a difference between one deity overcoming the blessings of another, as opposed to a straight-up conflict between them. The blessings of the Seldarine on the blades was a one-time thing, channeled thru a mortal spellcaster. I have no problem with a deity managing to twist that a bit -- especially a deity that actually corrupted another deity in her prime. |
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Barastir
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Posted - 07 Nov 2013 : 13:07:55
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
...The blessings of the Seldarine on the blades was a one-time thing, channeled thru a mortal spellcaster...
I see it, but unless Moander had a very good way of hiding it, I think the Seldarine would be vigilant and maybe would counteract after the corruption. After all, such corruption would have a huge impact over all the elven People in the Realms. |
"Goodness is not a natural state, but must be
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Lead by example.
Let your deeds speak your intentions.
Goodness radiated from the heart."
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 07 Nov 2013 : 14:06:23
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Originally posted by Barastir
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
...The blessings of the Seldarine on the blades was a one-time thing, channeled thru a mortal spellcaster...
I see it, but unless Moander had a very good way of hiding it, I think the Seldarine would be vigilant and maybe would counteract after the corruption. After all, such corruption would have a huge impact over all the elven People in the Realms.
That would imply that the Seldarine would be actively tracking every blade and taking a direct interest in who lead their mortal followers... And while I do see the Seldarine having some interest in this, elven history pretty much proves that the Seldarine, like many deities, do let their followers make their own mistakes. It was elves who decided to let magical blades decide, not a mandate from Corellon.
Not only that, but we're talking about one blade. One. That's not something that's going to have all that dramatic an impact...
And if a major power couldn't see corruption in themselves, I don't see it as all that difficult to hide a minor tweak to a magical sword. |
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Moonblades and Sunelfs
