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DDH_101
Master of Realmslore
Canada
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 Posted - 05 Feb 2004 : 23:53:58
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| Other than Halaster, is there anyone else that can live forever without divine intervention or lichdom? What about draconic beings? I think there are some pretty powerful dragons that have been around for a long, long time. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 06 Feb 2004 : 12:01:43
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You may want to check out the 'Wyrms of the North' on the FR website. There's one or two dragons detailed in those articles who could qualify as having been around for a very long time...
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DDH_101
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1272 Posts |
Posted - 06 Feb 2004 : 17:23:19
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| Sage, but they are all like rotting away. Lol. They don't have the means to last forever unless they go to the Cult of the Dragons and become a dracolich. |
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Sourcemaster2
Senior Scribe
USA
361 Posts |
Posted - 07 Feb 2004 : 03:10:43
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| DHD_101, "Chosen of Ellistrae" is just the term used for a priestess of Ellistrae. It doesn't refer to a Chosen like those of Mystra, or any other normal(if that term can even be applied) Chosen of a diety. |
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DDH_101
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1272 Posts |
Posted - 07 Feb 2004 : 05:17:11
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| Sourcemaster, how would you know? It is said that she is a Chosen, which I would assume to be like any of the other chosens of Mystra or like Fzoul, who is a Chosen of Bane. A priestess is and a chosen is a big, big difference. |
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Lina
Senior Scribe
Australia
469 Posts |
Posted - 07 Feb 2004 : 09:53:41
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I never really thought about it, but since you asked...
I believe that wizards are able to slow down the process of ageing by decreasing the level of destructive energies in their body. Since mages/wizard are more attuned to magical energy than a peasant they can actually control the level of energy damaging their body causing cellular destruction. Also interplanar travel could also contribute to their longer lives. As we know the measurement of time in different planes of existence are varied. For example, a mage transports themself to a plane where time runs slower and stays there for long periods during the mages lifetime, then when you add them all up the mages lifespan has increased so to speak. |
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Sourcemaster2
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 07 Feb 2004 : 16:09:57
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| In several novels featuring priestesses of Ellistrae, they are all referred to as Ellistrae's Chosen, the Chosen of Ellistrae, ect. Off hand, the Starlight and Shadows trilogy at least shows this, and I believe Silverfall, too. |
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DDH_101
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1272 Posts |
Posted - 07 Feb 2004 : 17:50:32
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Lina, I believe you are talking about the relativity of time. However, I don't know if there are actually any planes that is like that though...
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Arteris
Learned Scribe
121 Posts |
Posted - 08 Feb 2004 : 17:45:27
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Originally posted by DDH_101
Lina, I believe you are talking about the relativity of time. However, I don't know if there are actually any planes that is like that though...
Yes, there are. |
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DDH_101
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1272 Posts |
Posted - 08 Feb 2004 : 18:43:10
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Originally posted by Arteris
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Originally posted by DDH_101
Lina, I believe you are talking about the relativity of time. However, I don't know if there are actually any planes that is like that though...
Yes, there are.
Lol. That's a little vague. Perhaps you could name one to me? |
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
USA
4740 Posts |
Posted - 09 Feb 2004 : 04:11:17
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I'm sure there would have to be. The multiverse is pretty big.  |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Arteris
Learned Scribe
121 Posts |
Posted - 09 Feb 2004 : 23:51:20
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Originally posted by DDH_101
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Originally posted by Arteris
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Originally posted by DDH_101
Lina, I believe you are talking about the relativity of time. However, I don't know if there are actually any planes that is like that though...
Yes, there are.
Lol. That's a little vague. Perhaps you could name one to me?
Actually I couldnt lol.. I just know they exist.. I read it in the core rule book for the planes.. And.. What not.. Yea but I know they exist, maybe if you talked to one of the senior members they'd know the name of such planes |
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DDH_101
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1272 Posts |
Posted - 10 Feb 2004 : 01:14:54
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| Yes, there are probably planes like that, just probably they are outside the FR setting though. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31772 Posts |
Posted - 10 Feb 2004 : 07:44:46
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Originally posted by DDH_101
Yes, there are probably planes like that, just probably they are outside the FR setting though.
They only plane that comes to mind which would encompass all that you are talking about here is the 'Temporal Prime' (at least in 2e) plane, or as it is presented in MotP 3e, the 'Temporal Energy Plane'.
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DDH_101
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1272 Posts |
Posted - 11 Feb 2004 : 00:19:41
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| I have a question about ways of living forever. Are there any items or artifacts in FR that could make a person immortal? I'm not sure but I think the Ring of Winter and the Crown of Horns make the wearer immortal... |
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 11 Feb 2004 : 03:23:18
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Yes, the Ring of Winter does. The Crown of Horns turns you into a lich under the control of what's left of Myrkul.  |
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DDH_101
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1272 Posts |
Posted - 11 Feb 2004 : 05:30:56
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| But as long as you have the crown on, you live forever, right? |
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
USA
4740 Posts |
Posted - 11 Feb 2004 : 06:01:31
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| If you can call being a mind-controlled lich living. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31772 Posts |
Posted - 11 Feb 2004 : 12:00:09
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Originally posted by DDH_101
I have a question about ways of living forever. Are there any items or artifacts in FR that could make a person immortal? I'm not sure but I think the Ring of Winter and the Crown of Horns make the wearer immortal...
Oh, now you be careful with those items  . There's a lot that can go wrong, especially with the 'Crown of Horns' that can make a PC less (in terms of being) than he was before he starting wearing the Crown. In my opinion, the limited advantages (what few there are) you gaining from using these items does not outweigh the negative effects a character 'will' be subjected to.
If your PC wants to live forever, try the Astral Plane...
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Lina
Senior Scribe
Australia
469 Posts |
Posted - 14 Feb 2004 : 03:32:26
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Originally posted by DDH_101
Lina, I believe you are talking about the relativity of time. However, I don't know if there are actually any planes that is like that though...
Time has everything to do with ageing. If time was to stop then we'd all live forever. There are planes that exist in a different time spans. Take for example Drizzt's cat, Gwenhwyvar. In the Legacy of the Drow there are countless passages that mention that after being mortally wounded, Gwen goes back to the Astral Plane for about a week then comes back to the physical realm fully recovered. But Gwen being magical does mean that she heals faster when back home. But it was mentioned that Regis was taken by Gwen to the Astral plane when he was near death and was saved. I don't know all the details there so I'll get back to you on that later. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31772 Posts |
Posted - 14 Feb 2004 : 07:20:03
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Originally posted by Lina
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Originally posted by DDH_101
Lina, I believe you are talking about the relativity of time. However, I don't know if there are actually any planes that is like that though...
Time has everything to do with ageing. If time was to stop then we'd all live forever. There are planes that exist in a different time spans. Take for example Drizzt's cat, Gwenhwyvar. In the Legacy of the Drow there are countless passages that mention that after being mortally wounded, Gwen goes back to the Astral Plane for about a week then comes back to the physical realm fully recovered. But Gwen being magical does mean that she heals faster when back home. But it was mentioned that Regis was taken by Gwen to the Astral plane when he was near death and was saved. I don't know all the details there so I'll get back to you on that later.
The Astral Plane is Timeless, meaning that age, hunger, thirst, poison effects, and natural healing do not function there. The MotP 3e, as well as the 3.5 DMG has the details on the Astral Plane, and it's associated traits and effects upon PCs and the like.
Those effects I mentioned above will only start affecting the character once he/she has left the Astral Plane, and has either returned to the Material Plane, or another plane that does not have a 'Timeless' trait.
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The Cardinal
Senior Scribe
Canada
647 Posts |
Posted - 14 Feb 2004 : 08:07:42
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Actually Sage, we cannot believe that You forgot to mention our favorite Plane from the timeless mentions. The Far Realms of course. They are seen as beyond time... ( whether that is truely timeless depends...) But as Lina put it (and as much as we hate to agree ) Tis not aging that kills but cellular degradation... Thus if cells are frevented from degrading one could live for a verylong time... although we have heard of a crown (discarded by old Suazz Tam) that allow one to live forever for it keeps the heart beating eternally... of course... Suazz Tam was already a lich by this time so.... |
It has to be Certain, the Gods Hate Me. For whatever irrevokable Fate, I have been made the walking Joke. Either that, or Beshaba is overlyfond Of Me.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31772 Posts |
Posted - 14 Feb 2004 : 08:13:39
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Originally posted by Cardinal Deimos
Actually Sage, we cannot believe that You forgot to mention our favorite Plane from the timeless mentions. The Far Realms of course. They are seen as beyond time... ( whether that is truely timeless depends...) But as Lina put it (and as much as we hate to agree) Tis not aging that kills but cellular degradation... Thus if cells are frevented from degrading one could live for a verylong time... although we have heard of a crown (discarded by old Suazz Tam) that allow one to live forever for it keeps the heart beating eternally... of course... Suazz Tam was already a lich by this time so....
I was playing it 'SAFE' in terms of what other scribes know of the planes. A number of sourcebooks (outside WotC products) do not make mention of the chaotic realm we know as the Far Realm, so I thought it would be best to just mentioned the one plane that everybody would be familiar with when it comes to the 'Timeless' trait.
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The Cardinal
Senior Scribe
Canada
647 Posts |
Posted - 14 Feb 2004 : 08:28:45
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| We never pictured you as one to play it 'SAFE' when it comes to the planes... Tsk, Tsk, Tsk. Where is the Sage That I so Idolized as he threw caution to the wind and talked on NON-REALMS things in the very presence of Alaundo... (Note to the Scibes: While that Masters of Realms lore may be immune somewhat to Alaundo's wrath, only temporarily... we lowly scribes are not. Never Tempt Alaundo, that should only be done by trained professionals.) Back onto track though. Besides, We've (and I do mean WE) posted enough on the Far Realms to allow some to get the just of it. One need only search... "Knock and the door shall be opened Unto you".... |
It has to be Certain, the Gods Hate Me. For whatever irrevokable Fate, I have been made the walking Joke. Either that, or Beshaba is overlyfond Of Me.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31772 Posts |
Posted - 14 Feb 2004 : 08:38:38
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Yes, you are so very right Cardinal...I do indeed miss that old Sage ...Perhaps another casting of the spells Polymorph Self, and Attitude Return are needed...
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The Cardinal
Senior Scribe
Canada
647 Posts |
Posted - 14 Feb 2004 : 08:42:04
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We feel you must be warned though Sage... Alaundo has thought of upgrading his Staff of Irritated moderator AGAIN... From what he had suggested it go to... it would not be pretty... |
It has to be Certain, the Gods Hate Me. For whatever irrevokable Fate, I have been made the walking Joke. Either that, or Beshaba is overlyfond Of Me.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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The Cardinal
Senior Scribe
Canada
647 Posts |
Posted - 14 Feb 2004 : 08:51:21
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| Indeed, I think he plans too... It would make some sense... of Course US, in our great wisdom have created the Protection from Moderator Spell.. true it only has a 5% chance of success, and 80% of spell failure and the need for much pleading, begging and unbashful grovelling and snivelling, we feel any protection is better than none...althoug not by much.... We do not recommend annoying Alaundo as it would preven even half of said topic: Living.... and forget Ever-Living.. See a rather simple spell now so see if it worked... we hold our breath till we pass out |
It has to be Certain, the Gods Hate Me. For whatever irrevokable Fate, I have been made the walking Joke. Either that, or Beshaba is overlyfond Of Me.
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Alaundo
Head Moderator
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Posted - 14 Feb 2004 : 10:14:59
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Beyond +5!... ...I do not think such a thing is actually possible. Unless he intends it to be a minor artifact...
Well met
Ohhhhhhh yes indeed, my dear Sage  The true powers of the Staff of the Irritated Moderator has yet to be unleashed!
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