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The Red Walker
Great Reader
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 Posted - 26 Aug 2013 : 21:33:27
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Do they exist in Faerun? If so are there any communities? Where would they be found?
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A little nonsense now and then, relished by the wisest men - Willy Wonka
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The Arcanamach
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 26 Aug 2013 : 21:45:05
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| I think there were some in Waterdeep but I may be confusing them with shapechanged dragons. I think weredragons were just one of those creatures that fell through the cracks during edition changes. Sylune was a type of weredragon though (a gift from Savras). |
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ksu_bond
Learned Scribe
New Zealand
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Posted - 26 Aug 2013 : 22:05:31
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| The dragon referred to as a were-dragon in the Forgotten Realms is also known as the Song Dragon. |
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Emma Drake
Learned Scribe
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206 Posts |
Posted - 26 Aug 2013 : 22:54:27
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They were Were-dragons in 1st and 2nd edition and Song in 3rd. Not sure what happened to them after that.
They're most common in the Moonshaes, but present all over. What period are you talking about?
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 26 Aug 2013 : 23:03:25
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Ed created them, so of course they appear in the Realms. They date back to a long-ago issue of Dragon (134) that I believe predated the OGB.
They were renamed, I believe, to avoid confusion with true lycanthropes -- despite the original name, song dragons have nothing in common with lycanthropes, other than changing into something non-human. |
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Emma Drake
Learned Scribe
USA
206 Posts |
Posted - 26 Aug 2013 : 23:10:07
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Ed created them, so of course they appear in the Realms. They date back to a long-ago issue of Dragon (134) that I believe predated the OGB.
They were renamed, I believe, to avoid confusion with true lycanthropes -- despite the original name, song dragons have nothing in common with lycanthropes, other than changing into something non-human.
I think Weredragon sounds WAY cooler than Song Dragon. |
"I am always here, all about you. You are never truly alone. I flow wherever life flows, wherever winds blow and water runs and the sun and moon chase each other, for there is magic in all things."
- Mystra (Ed Greenwood, Silverfall) |
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rjfras
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 26 Aug 2013 : 23:34:08
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this is from back in 2011:
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Arik
Hmmm. They're the same beast, Wooly? I'll look into my Dragons when I get home. I was under the impression that Ed devised them about the same time he wrote Elminster's Daughter.
Were/song dragons were first published in DRAGON #134 -- in a 1e article. They were renamed song dragons in 3e to help clear up the point of confusion that many had regarding the 1e/2e were-dragon. 'Twas thought to be a lycanthrope, when it actually wasn't. They were simply renamed song dragons; both names are used in Faerūn ['were-dragon' not just by the ignorant].
http://www.forum.candlekeep.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=15054
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rjfras
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 26 Aug 2013 : 23:44:54
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Dragon 134:
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Weredragons are exceedingly rare creatures. They are the source of many folk tales concerning beautiful women transformed into dragons; this is due the weredragon #146;s ability to assume the form of a comely human female whenever desired.
The name #147;weredragon#148; is not entirely accurate, as this creature does not seem to have lycanthropy in the same way other werecreatures do. Weredragons cannot be #147;cured#148; of their abilities, nor are they able to transmit them to other creatures by biting or any other means. Furthermore, the phases of the moon have no effect on the ability of weredragons to change form.
In dragon form, weredragons are slim and splendid, usually an iridescent blue and silver in color, and most closely resemble wingless copper dragons in physical shape and size (a magical organ in their brains allows flight).
Monsters of Faerun:
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Song dragons are a rare and mysterious race of dragons that prefer life among humanity to the company of other dragons. They can freely take on the form of a human woman, and in this guise they live among humankind, revealing their true nature only in times of personal peril or great crisis.
In their natural form, song dragons are slim and splendid dragons with iridescent silver-blue scales and the general shape of a copper dragon
It does appear that they got wings in 3ed and lost their magical flight organ...
Where they are:
1st ed:
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Weredragons do not consort with others of their own kind (whom they can recognize on sight in either form, just as they can recognize any polymorphed or shape changed dragon in any form). They prefer dwelling in cities or courts to wilderness solitude. These creatures are not as vain as other dragons and cannot be subdued as a dragon can, although they often submit to capture or temporary sominance if they deem it wisest. In human form, weredragons often amass great treasure by beguiling rich suitors; later, these suitors are slain by the weredragon, which has returned to its dragon form. Weredragons are usually the equal of any sage when dealing with the history of the lands they have inhabited. Much of the history and aims of these creatures, however, remains a mystery. They are known from legend in the FORGOTTEN REALMS#153; fantasy setting, and one is said to have lived in the great city of Waterdeep as recently as 20 years past, having lived for years as the consort of a military officer.
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Found throughout the Realms, song dragons often serve or cooperate with good mages, Harpers, and groups and individuals with similar aims or opportunities to preserve, renew, and protect the land. They are quite common in the Moonshae Isles, a fact that leads sages to speculate that they originated in that land. They remain shrouded in mystery, howeverso much that two accidental sightings of song dragons assuming their natural form once started a panicked rumor that evil wizards were transforming their foes into dragons.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 27 Aug 2013 : 04:24:52
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Originally posted by Emma Drake
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Ed created them, so of course they appear in the Realms. They date back to a long-ago issue of Dragon (134) that I believe predated the OGB.
They were renamed, I believe, to avoid confusion with true lycanthropes -- despite the original name, song dragons have nothing in common with lycanthropes, other than changing into something non-human.
I think Weredragon sounds WAY cooler than Song Dragon.
I like the term "song dragon," but mostly because I've tended to make them even more aurally-inspired in my Realms. So the name fits perfectly. They are literally embodiments of songs at play in ancient draconic languages. |
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Emma Drake
Learned Scribe
USA
206 Posts |
Posted - 27 Aug 2013 : 04:26:29
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Originally posted by The Sage
I like the term "song dragon," but mostly because I've tended to make them even more aurally-inspired in my Realms. So the name fits perfectly. They are literally embodiments of songs at play in ancient draconic languages.
Well, that sounds nice. You got me there! :) |
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
USA
3567 Posts |
Posted - 27 Aug 2013 : 04:50:51
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Originally posted by Emma Drake
They were Were-dragons in 1st and 2nd edition and Song in 3rd. Not sure what happened to them after that.
They're most common in the Moonshaes, but present all over. What period are you talking about?
Was thinking about current period of the realms. |
A little nonsense now and then, relished by the wisest men - Willy Wonka
"We need men who can dream of things that never were." -
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
USA
3567 Posts |
Posted - 27 Aug 2013 : 04:53:28
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Originally posted by Emma Drake
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Ed created them, so of course they appear in the Realms. They date back to a long-ago issue of Dragon (134) that I believe predated the OGB.
They were renamed, I believe, to avoid confusion with true lycanthropes -- despite the original name, song dragons have nothing in common with lycanthropes, other than changing into something non-human.
I think Weredragon sounds WAY cooler than Song Dragon.
i like the sound of weredragon as well, but I didn't realize Song Dragon was the same creature. I remember a novel(trilogy?) that featured a Song Dragon that was quite enjoyable |
A little nonsense now and then, relished by the wisest men - Willy Wonka
"We need men who can dream of things that never were." -
John F. Kennedy, speech in Dublin, Ireland, June 28, 1963
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Emma Drake
Learned Scribe
USA
206 Posts |
Posted - 27 Aug 2013 : 04:57:40
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
i like the sound of weredragon as well, but I didn't realize Song Dragon was the same creature. I remember a novel(trilogy?) that featured a Song Dragon that was quite enjoyable
I know the Cormyr trilogy featured a Song Dragon. Is that the one you mean? |
"I am always here, all about you. You are never truly alone. I flow wherever life flows, wherever winds blow and water runs and the sun and moon chase each other, for there is magic in all things."
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
USA
3567 Posts |
Posted - 27 Aug 2013 : 05:08:25
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Originally posted by Emma Drake
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
i like the sound of weredragon as well, but I didn't realize Song Dragon was the same creature. I remember a novel(trilogy?) that featured a Song Dragon that was quite enjoyable
I know the Cormyr trilogy featured a Song Dragon. Is that the one you mean?
hmmm.....i was thing it was year of the rogue dragons.
i dont remeber the song dragon from cormyr series. do you recall it's name? |
A little nonsense now and then, relished by the wisest men - Willy Wonka
"We need men who can dream of things that never were." -
John F. Kennedy, speech in Dublin, Ireland, June 28, 1963
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 27 Aug 2013 : 05:16:14
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| There was one in the Rogue Dragon books, but I'm not recalling one in the Cormyr books. There was another in Elminster's Daughter, as I recall. |
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Emma Drake
Learned Scribe
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206 Posts |
Posted - 27 Aug 2013 : 05:24:55
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
i dont remeber the song dragon from cormyr series. do you recall it's name?
Wooly is 100% right - I was thinking of Elminster's Daughter, my thoughts went to the fact that it's set in Cormyr, and I wrote Cormyr. My mistake! |
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- Mystra (Ed Greenwood, Silverfall) |
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Kajehase
Great Reader
Sweden
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Posted - 27 Aug 2013 : 09:12:50
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| One of the heroes in Richard Lee Byers's Rogue Dragons trilogy is a song dragon. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 27 Aug 2013 : 13:33:34
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Weredragon!
There... dragon!
(its funny if you've seen Young Frankenstein) |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36880 Posts |
Posted - 27 Aug 2013 : 14:16:02
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Originally posted by Markustay
Weredragon!
There... dragon!
(its funny if you've seen Young Frankenstein)
I was thinking of making that joke. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 27 Aug 2013 : 15:40:55
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
There was one in the Rogue Dragon books, but I'm not recalling one in the Cormyr books. There was another in Elminster's Daughter, as I recall.
Aye. Can't recall there being a song dragon in any of the "Cormyr" books. |
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
USA
3567 Posts |
Posted - 27 Aug 2013 : 21:15:18
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Markustay
Weredragon!
There... dragon!
(its funny if you've seen Young Frankenstein)
I was thinking of making that joke.
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A little nonsense now and then, relished by the wisest men - Willy Wonka
"We need men who can dream of things that never were." -
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Barastir
Master of Realmslore
Brazil
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Posted - 28 Aug 2013 : 12:02:11
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| Remember there is a different sort of weredragon in 1e Hall of Heroes, in Kelemvor's entry. |
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Alystra Illianniis
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Weredragons......where in Faerun can I find them?
