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Bhaal
Acolyte
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 Posted - 26 Aug 2013 : 18:08:48
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Muahahaha! 
I think it's time for a party.
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 26 Aug 2013 : 19:12:00
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Don't you mean.... a ball? 
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"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
USA
3567 Posts |
Posted - 26 Aug 2013 : 19:25:19
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Originally posted by Markustay
Don't you mean.... a ball?
(and now I have Big Balls by AC/DC stuck in my head)
Not that there is anything wrong with that.
and your Ac/Dc reference prompts me to think of Hells Bells......I did an "original" piece of art in 2nd grand with that theme and a lyric or two and was sent to the principals office for my "creativity" |
A little nonsense now and then, relished by the wisest men - Willy Wonka
"We need men who can dream of things that never were." -
John F. Kennedy, speech in Dublin, Ireland, June 28, 1963
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Bhaal
Acolyte
22 Posts |
Posted - 26 Aug 2013 : 19:55:33
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Originally posted by Markustay
Don't you mean.... a ball?
(and now I have Big Balls by AC/DC stuck in my head)
Ugh. That old joke. Done to death. Seriously.
Fortunately, I'm back and can provide new material.
One of my most prolific assassins was unfortunately caught red-handed following a murder he committed. Three Cormyrean lawyers were available for hire in his defense case. He asked the first one "how much" for hiring him and a defense team for the trial.
"100 gold, flat fee," replied the first lawyer. But this man was just out of law school in Marsember, so he looked to the next.
"And you?" the assassin asked.
"1500 gold, plus expenses. You were caught red-handed, and there were witnesses, after all." said the man. The assassin pondered the cost, ultimately deciding against him when he saw the lawyer's credentials were from Amn.
The third lawyer was probably the best so-called "gun-for hire" from Waterdeep and might actually be able to get an acquittal. It was said he had once defended a Cyricist who was not only insane but actually admitted out loud what he'd done to the local guard. Allegedly, that is. "And you, your cost?" asked the assassin.
"12,500 gold, up front," stated the Waterdhavian lawyer. The assassin considered, and chose this man to defend him despite the exorbitant cost.
Ultimately, though, the assassin's expensive lawyer lost the case in the Cormyrean courts and he was sentenced to death. As they led the assassin to the gallows for hanging, he happened to bump into the first lawyer. "Gee man, that's rough. I could've gotten you this result for only 100 gold!"
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Emma Drake
Learned Scribe
USA
206 Posts |
Posted - 26 Aug 2013 : 23:15:51
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Originally posted by Bhaal
"12,500 gold, up front," stated the Waterdhavian lawyer. The assassin considered, and chose this man to defend him despite the exorbitant cost.
Probably lost because his credentials were fraudulent. No lawyers in Waterdeep! :) |
"I am always here, all about you. You are never truly alone. I flow wherever life flows, wherever winds blow and water runs and the sun and moon chase each other, for there is magic in all things."
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silverwolfer
Senior Scribe
789 Posts |
Posted - 27 Aug 2013 : 02:58:06
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He is still Bhaaling in the corner, after his worshiper girlfriends left him.
They kept saying long distant relationships never work out ( and being dead) |
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Kris the Grey
Senior Scribe
USA
422 Posts |
Posted - 27 Aug 2013 : 03:26:47
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| I prefer "Tonight...you." (from this inspiring source http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75kHq9cHSEg) |
Kris the Grey - Member in Good Standing of the Watchful Order of Magists and Protectors, the Arcane Guild of Silverymoon, and the Connecticut Bar Association |
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silverwolfer
Senior Scribe
789 Posts |
Posted - 27 Aug 2013 : 03:31:37
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| Nothing like a god of murder to point and laugh at for being killed by a whiney mortal . |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36882 Posts |
Posted - 27 Aug 2013 : 03:53:36
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Originally posted by silverwolfer
Nothing like a god of murder to point and laugh at for being killed by a whiney mortal .
Yeah, being killed by Cyric is not something that makes anyone look good! |
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Brimstone
Great Reader
USA
3290 Posts |
Posted - 27 Aug 2013 : 03:54:23
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"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
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Bhaal
Acolyte
22 Posts |
Posted - 27 Aug 2013 : 04:11:13
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Originally posted by silverwolfer
Nothing like a god of murder to point and laugh at for being killed by a whiney mortal .
Yeah, well. As for Cyric, it's what happens when you give a level one noob a god-created artifact and strip a true god like Me of His divinity. Poor Mystra just fell on Helm's sword. So, laugh as you will, but know that payment is often expensive.
I'm going to let you in on a huge secret. AO's real name? Monty Haul. He's the "rocks fall, everyone dies" bipolar Overgod that lets min-maxers have artifacts when it's amusing.
Be assured, Cyric will get his comeuppance in the Sundering. Painfully so.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31799 Posts |
Posted - 27 Aug 2013 : 04:14:51
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Originally posted by Emma Drake
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Originally posted by Bhaal
"12,500 gold, up front," stated the Waterdhavian lawyer. The assassin considered, and chose this man to defend him despite the exorbitant cost.
Probably lost because his credentials were fraudulent. No lawyers in Waterdeep! :)
"Kill all the lawyers."
That was Bhaal's doing, by the way, despite what William Shakespeare would have you believe. |
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Bhaal
Acolyte
22 Posts |
Posted - 27 Aug 2013 : 04:17:09
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Emma Drake
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Originally posted by Bhaal
"12,500 gold, up front," stated the Waterdhavian lawyer. The assassin considered, and chose this man to defend him despite the exorbitant cost.
Probably lost because his credentials were fraudulent. No lawyers in Waterdeep! :)
"Kill all the lawyers."
That was Bhaal's doing, by the way, despite what William Shakespeare would have you believe.
That was a trade secret. 
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Mournblade
Master of Realmslore
USA
1288 Posts |
Posted - 27 Aug 2013 : 05:19:30
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Emma Drake
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Originally posted by Bhaal
"12,500 gold, up front," stated the Waterdhavian lawyer. The assassin considered, and chose this man to defend him despite the exorbitant cost.
Probably lost because his credentials were fraudulent. No lawyers in Waterdeep! :)
"Kill all the lawyers."
That was Bhaal's doing, by the way, despite what William Shakespeare would have you believe.
That is why lawyer is nto a playable class in DDNext.
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 27 Aug 2013 : 13:40:22
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And now you guys have me picturing Johnny Cochran defending Cyric at his trial, "if the staff don't fit, you must acquit!"
(Cyric whispering to his attorney - "I am NOT putting that up there!")
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
quote:
Originally posted by Markustay
Don't you mean.... a ball?
(and now I have Big Balls by AC/DC stuck in my head)
Not that there is anything wrong with that.
and your Ac/Dc reference prompts me to think of Hells Bells......I did an "original" piece of art in 2nd grand with that theme and a lyric or two and was sent to the principals office for my "creativity"
Wouldn't Dirty Deeds be a most appropriate theme song for Bhaal? |
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
USA
3567 Posts |
Posted - 27 Aug 2013 : 14:06:15
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Originally posted by Markustay
And now you guys have me picturing Johnny Cochran defending Cyric at his trial, "if the staff don't fit, you must acquit!"
(Cyric whispering to his attorney - "I am NOT putting that up there!")
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
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Originally posted by Markustay
Don't you mean.... a ball?
(and now I have Big Balls by AC/DC stuck in my head)
Not that there is anything wrong with that.
and your Ac/Dc reference prompts me to think of Hells Bells......I did an "original" piece of art in 2nd grand with that theme and a lyric or two and was sent to the principals office for my "creativity"
Wouldn't Dirty Deeds be most a most appropriate theme song for Bhaal?
I was thinking "Kicked in the Teeth" (by Cyric) |
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"We need men who can dream of things that never were." -
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Bhaal
Acolyte
22 Posts |
Posted - 27 Aug 2013 : 16:05:25
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Originally posted by Markustay
And now you guys have me picturing Johnny Cochran defending Cyric at his trial, "if the staff don't fit didn't hit, you must acquit!"
FTFY.
Cyric hits like a girl. Mask was the one who did me in, not Cyric. And I saw Cyric's pathetic staff-swing. Murder it wasn't. Obviously.
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36882 Posts |
Posted - 27 Aug 2013 : 17:23:22
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Originally posted by Bhaal
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Originally posted by Markustay
And now you guys have me picturing Johnny Cochran defending Cyric at his trial, "if the staff don't fit didn't hit, you must acquit!"
FTFY.
Cyric hits like a girl. Mask was the one who did me in, not Cyric. And I saw Cyric's pathetic staff-swing. Murder it wasn't. Obviously.
Mask wasn't wielding himself. Cyric was the one who stuck the sword in Bhaal's back. Point goes to the pathetic git Cyric, not to Mask. |
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Emma Drake
Learned Scribe
USA
206 Posts |
Posted - 27 Aug 2013 : 17:24:02
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Bhaal
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Originally posted by Markustay
And now you guys have me picturing Johnny Cochran defending Cyric at his trial, "if the staff don't fit didn't hit, you must acquit!"
FTFY.
Cyric hits like a girl. Mask was the one who did me in, not Cyric. And I saw Cyric's pathetic staff-swing. Murder it wasn't. Obviously.
Mask wasn't wielding himself. Cyric was the one who stuck the sword in Bhaal's back. Point goes to the pathetic git Cyric, not to Mask.
Oh, snap. |
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Bhaal
Acolyte
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Posted - 27 Aug 2013 : 17:36:04
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Bhaal
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Originally posted by Markustay
And now you guys have me picturing Johnny Cochran defending Cyric at his trial, "if the staff don't fit didn't hit, you must acquit!"
FTFY.
Cyric hits like a girl. Mask was the one who did me in, not Cyric. And I saw Cyric's pathetic staff-swing. Murder it wasn't. Obviously.
Mask wasn't wielding himself. Cyric was the one who stuck the sword in Bhaal's back. Point goes to the pathetic git Cyric, not to Mask.
Typical faulty hamster logic. If you hand a witless child a gun and he shoots someone, it makes no sense to blame the child.
This was entirely Mask's gambit. Cyric's only "contribution", as always, is that he's a simple stooge. Mask knew it. Shar knows it. All the gods know it.
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36882 Posts |
Posted - 27 Aug 2013 : 19:20:18
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Originally posted by Bhaal
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Mask wasn't wielding himself. Cyric was the one who stuck the sword in Bhaal's back. Point goes to the pathetic git Cyric, not to Mask.
Typical faulty hamster logic. If you hand a witless child a gun and he shoots someone, it makes no sense to blame the child.
This was entirely Mask's gambit. Cyric's only "contribution", as always, is that he's a simple stooge. Mask knew it. Shar knows it. All the gods know it.
It might not be the fault of the witless child, but it would remain a fact that he pulled the trigger. It doesn't matter if he is cognizant of what he does or the consequences, the fact would remain that he was the one that pulled the trigger.
But hey, if you want to make the case that Bhaal was killed by a witless child who had no idea what he was doing, go ahead.
Oh, and Mask later lost power and portfolios to Cyric. If Cyric was a stooge, what does that make Mask -- the other deity involved in Bhaal's death? |
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Therise
Master of Realmslore
1272 Posts |
Posted - 27 Aug 2013 : 19:45:54
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Bhaal
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Mask wasn't wielding himself. Cyric was the one who stuck the sword in Bhaal's back. Point goes to the pathetic git Cyric, not to Mask.
Typical faulty hamster logic. If you hand a witless child a gun and he shoots someone, it makes no sense to blame the child.
This was entirely Mask's gambit. Cyric's only "contribution", as always, is that he's a simple stooge. Mask knew it. Shar knows it. All the gods know it.
It might not be the fault of the witless child, but it would remain a fact that he pulled the trigger. It doesn't matter if he is cognizant of what he does or the consequences, the fact would remain that he was the one that pulled the trigger.
But hey, if you want to make the case that Bhaal was killed by a witless child who had no idea what he was doing, go ahead.
He has a point. That "witless child" may have been manipulated into pulling the trigger, but ultimately the child is not responsible - and if not responsible, can't really take the "credit" for the kill.
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Oh, and Mask later lost power and portfolios to Cyric. If Cyric was a stooge, what does that make Mask -- the other deity involved in Bhaal's death?
In that situation, I'd say that Mask was what he always is, the manipulator in the shadows. Cyric was definitely the stooge (isn't he always?) and Mask was the manipulator. I agree, the "credit" for Bhaal's death really should go to Mask.
In the "long game" sense, though, all the gods were trying to survive during the ToT and only some of them were smart enough to have planned ahead. Bhaal may not have been the most powerful, and he got shanked while mortal, but you can't deny that he was smart enough to plan for his rebirth - which worked.
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36882 Posts |
Posted - 27 Aug 2013 : 19:56:08
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Again, who gets credit doesn't change who actually committed the deed. The person who pulled the trigger will never change, regardless of whether or not they were cognizant of their actions. Knowing what you're doing isn't a prerequisite for doing it.
If the trigger is pulled, it was pulled by the person holding the gun. |
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Therise
Master of Realmslore
1272 Posts |
Posted - 27 Aug 2013 : 20:19:16
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Again, who gets credit doesn't change who actually committed the deed. The person who pulled the trigger will never change, regardless of whether or not they were cognizant of their actions. Knowing what you're doing isn't a prerequisite for doing it.
If the trigger is pulled, it was pulled by the person holding the gun.
No offense, Wooly, but I think you're completely missing the big picture. Assassins will use any tool (or stooge) to accomplish their goal. Responsibility and credit for a murder are key. Cyric may have used the sword, but it was carefully planted for him to use. So ultimately, Mask is responsible. Cyric was the equivalent of a tripwire or a trap, nothing more.
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Tamsar
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
141 Posts |
Posted - 27 Aug 2013 : 20:49:39
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| If Bhaal is coming back does that mean the Winding Water polluted west of the Boareskyr Bridge will be cleansed? |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36882 Posts |
Posted - 27 Aug 2013 : 21:24:20
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Originally posted by Therise
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Again, who gets credit doesn't change who actually committed the deed. The person who pulled the trigger will never change, regardless of whether or not they were cognizant of their actions. Knowing what you're doing isn't a prerequisite for doing it.
If the trigger is pulled, it was pulled by the person holding the gun.
No offense, Wooly, but I think you're completely missing the big picture. Assassins will use any tool (or stooge) to accomplish their goal. Responsibility and credit for a murder are key. Cyric may have used the sword, but it was carefully planted for him to use. So ultimately, Mask is responsible. Cyric was the equivalent of a tripwire or a trap, nothing more.
You're missing my point. I'm saying that it doesn't matter who was responsible, it was Cyric who killed Bhaal. Mask may have set it up, but it was Cyric who put himself in position, Cyric who didn't turn and run, Cyric who drew the sword, and Cyric who attacked with it.
Weapons must be wielded. Mask couldn't have done crap if he was still in the sheath, or in the possession of a halfling a hundred miles away.
It was a weak and opportunistic git who did the deed. |
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
USA
3567 Posts |
Posted - 27 Aug 2013 : 21:43:53
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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Therise
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Again, who gets credit doesn't change who actually committed the deed. The person who pulled the trigger will never change, regardless of whether or not they were cognizant of their actions. Knowing what you're doing isn't a prerequisite for doing it.
If the trigger is pulled, it was pulled by the person holding the gun.
No offense, Wooly, but I think you're completely missing the big picture. Assassins will use any tool (or stooge) to accomplish their goal. Responsibility and credit for a murder are key. Cyric may have used the sword, but it was carefully planted for him to use. So ultimately, Mask is responsible. Cyric was the equivalent of a tripwire or a trap, nothing more.
You're missing my point. I'm saying that it doesn't matter who was responsible, it was Cyric who killed Bhaal. Mask may have set it up, but it was Cyric who put himself in position, Cyric who didn't turn and run, Cyric who drew the sword, and Cyric who attacked with it.
Weapons must be wielded. Mask couldn't have done crap if he was still in the sheath, or in the possession of a halfling a hundred miles away.
It was a weak and opportunistic git who did the deed.
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"We need men who can dream of things that never were." -
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The Arcanamach
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 27 Aug 2013 : 22:17:00
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| You can't really equate a 'witless child' with an adult like Cyric. Fool though he may be, he was still aware of what he was doing and who he was doing it to at the time. A child would not be responsible for the act (being unable to appreciate the gravity of the situation at hand), but Cyric most certainly was. I can't stand Cyric as a deity (for the most part anyway) but I will give him credit for his actions. And let's not forget, if memory serves, Mask was attempting to gain the portfolio of murder at the time...and was shot down by Ao...it seems few of his plans really work out the way he intends (though I think that is stupid too, I hate the gods being portrayed as brainless dolts). |
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The Arcanamach
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 27 Aug 2013 : 22:17:42
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| You can't really equate a 'witless child' with an adult like Cyric. Fool though he may be, he was still aware of what he was doing and who he was doing it to at the time. A child would not be responsible for the act (being unable to appreciate the gravity of the situation at hand), but Cyric most certainly was. I can't stand Cyric as a deity (for the most part anyway) but I will give him credit for his actions. And let's not forget, if memory serves, Mask was attempting to gain the portfolio of murder at the time...and was shot down by Ao...it seems few of his plans really work out the way he intends (though I think that is stupid too, I hate the gods being portrayed as brainless dolts). |
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Therise
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 27 Aug 2013 : 23:06:07
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
You're missing my point. I'm saying that it doesn't matter who was responsible, it was Cyric who killed Bhaal. Mask may have set it up, but it was Cyric who put himself in position, Cyric who didn't turn and run, Cyric who drew the sword, and Cyric who attacked with it.
Weapons must be wielded. Mask couldn't have done crap if he was still in the sheath, or in the possession of a halfling a hundred miles away.
It was a weak and opportunistic git who did the deed.
I understand fully what you're saying, but you're acting like Cyric just had a regular sword in his hand. The sword was whispering to him constantly and helping him. Even after Bhaal had beaten Cyric and left him bloody on the ground, the sword (Mask) helped Cyric rise up and attack Bhaal. This was an artifact-level avatar of a god, not just some ordinary blade. It had its own will, and a host of powers. It constantly helped and prodded Cyric along.
Seriously, how many stories are out there that feature intelligent weapons of the +2 variety that overtake their wielder or constantly prompt their wielder to do more than they're capable of doing? And this - it was literally the avatar form of Mask.
Here's just one of the relevant parts of that book, after Cyric had been beaten:
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The sword's hilt warmed in his hand and Cyric felt vigor and strength flow back into his body. He rose to his knees, then stood and stumbled after the Lord of Murder.
Honestly, it's a little weird that you are just acting like it was all Cyric who gutted Bhaal with a regular blade. Not the case at all. It constantly bolstered his strength, when it served Mask to do so, and basically revived a completely beaten Cyric to do the deed.
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Lilianviaten
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 27 Aug 2013 : 23:25:43
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Originally posted by Therise
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
You're missing my point. I'm saying that it doesn't matter who was responsible, it was Cyric who killed Bhaal. Mask may have set it up, but it was Cyric who put himself in position, Cyric who didn't turn and run, Cyric who drew the sword, and Cyric who attacked with it.
Weapons must be wielded. Mask couldn't have done crap if he was still in the sheath, or in the possession of a halfling a hundred miles away.
It was a weak and opportunistic git who did the deed.
I understand fully what you're saying, but you're acting like Cyric just had a regular sword in his hand. The sword was whispering to him constantly and helping him. Even after Bhaal had beaten Cyric and left him bloody on the ground, the sword (Mask) helped Cyric rise up and attack Bhaal. This was an artifact-level avatar of a god, not just some ordinary blade. It had its own will, and a host of powers. It constantly helped and prodded Cyric along.
Seriously, how many stories are out there that feature intelligent weapons of the +2 variety that overtake their wielder or constantly prompt their wielder to do more than they're capable of doing? And this - it was literally the avatar form of Mask.
Here's just one of the relevant parts of that book, after Cyric had been beaten:
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The sword's hilt warmed in his hand and Cyric felt vigor and strength flow back into his body. He rose to his knees, then stood and stumbled after the Lord of Murder.
Honestly, it's a little weird that you are just acting like it was all Cyric who gutted Bhaal with a regular blade. Not the case at all. It constantly bolstered his strength, when it served Mask to do so, and basically revived a completely beaten Cyric to do the deed.
Well said. Just like it was Shar who did all the work in murdering Mystra. She didn't want to be imprisoned in her domain or killed in retaliation though, so she let Cyric strike the killing blow.
This is why I don't believe Leira's dead. I enjoy Cyric's murderous rages, insane ramblings, and paranoid delusions. But to be honest, he's an idiot. He's never accomplished anything significant without somebody holding his hand. His character would have been more realistic as Tymora's Chosen, because nobody can have that much luck without being touched by her.
His successes remind me of Lolth wiping out the drow pantheon in the "Lady Penitent" trilogy. Despite Lolth doing virtually nothing clever, the other drow gods trip over their own feet, and Lolth wins by default. Then, like Cyric, she endlessly congratulates herself for having done nothing. |
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