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Demzer
Senior Scribe
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 Posted - 31 Aug 2013 : 20:05:07
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Is there somewhere a reason/explanation/hint at why the Goddess of Magic is named this way?
Since in my knowledge Mystryl was the first her name is as good as any, there is something fishy at the first change of name Mystryl --> Mystra ... but maybe the mortal girl was called Mystra in honor of the goddess Mystryl.
With Midnight i have the real puzzle: we know about deific aliases, we know a lot of other mortals ascended taking power from existing deities, yet Midnight is the only one that maintained the name of her predecessor (which is almost identical to the original).
I mean:
Bane, Bhaal and Myrkul used these names and not Jergala/e/i/o/u/y or Jergal-1/2/3;
Cyric didn't try to mesh the names of all the deities he robbed of power and killed (that would've been a monstrousity of a name).
Kelemvor was still Kelemvor and not Cyric-2.
Shar didn't change name when she mopped Ibrandul.
Yet Midnight forgo her name instead of using the "alias system" to get Mystra's worship (but she and her predecessor use the alias of Mysrtyl ... ?!?!)
So ... where is the catch? Maybe something in the essence of the Weave? Something connected to the office of Goddess of Magic?
Thanks for your insight, fellow scribes.
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Elkentar
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 31 Aug 2013 : 20:44:44
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I am not entirely sure if this is correct but i believe that the first Mystra was actually Mystryl reincarnated and simply took the name Mysta to acknowledge the changes that she was making.
As for the second incarnation it may be a choice by Midnight to pay homage to the past or it may be that there is more of Mystryl still floating around than anyone is actually aware of. |
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 31 Aug 2013 : 22:27:37
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Originally posted by Elkentar
I am not entirely sure if this is correct but i believe that the first Mystra was actually Mystryl reincarnated and simply took the name Mysta to acknowledge the changes that she was making.
As for the second incarnation it may be a choice by Midnight to pay homage to the past or it may be that there is more of Mystryl still floating around than anyone is actually aware of.
yes Mystryl reincarnated almost immediately and choose the form of a peasant girl.
im assuming the tie to the myst start to her name(s) is tied to her also being "the lady of mysteries".
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Ayrik
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 01 Sep 2013 : 07:05:18
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Back in the AD&D days, prior to 3E stamping standardized stat blocks onto everything, Ed emphasized magic in the Realms being a *mysterious* never-quite-predictable sometimes-risky sometimes-wondrous fey and fickle force which even the mightiest of archmages should never take for granted or treat with a lightly casual disregard.
I suppose this element of mystery is part of the naming convention. For all I know, the Goddess‘s name might be some sort of power word which enables her to access and unlock control of her Weave, perhaps it‘s a sentient construct which only responds to programming offered by a registered username? |
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xaeyruudh
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 01 Sep 2013 : 07:39:15
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Yah I think that Mystra, moreso than other deities, is the "office" as well as just the occupant of the office. Bane is Bane, Sune is Sune, but Mystra is more than just Mystra... she's also magic, and the weave; a fundamental part of the fabric of the world. So even when Mystra dies, it's only "death" and she's kinda still there, to a much greater degree than Ibrandul after Shar or whoever got done with him.
I really wish they'd stop killing off gods. It never turns out well, bringing them back is always an obvious backpedal, and it feels like WotC isn't learning Anything.
If you must kill a god --which never needs to be done-- kill off one that was borrowed from another pantheon. They're generic and removing them destroys less lore.
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 01 Sep 2013 : 14:41:27
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Originally posted by xaeyruudh
Yah I think that Mystra, moreso than other deities, is the "office" as well as just the occupant of the office. Bane is Bane, Sune is Sune, but Mystra is more than just Mystra... she's also magic, and the weave; a fundamental part of the fabric of the world. So even when Mystra dies, it's only "death" and she's kinda still there, to a much greater degree than Ibrandul after Shar or whoever got done with him.
I really wish they'd stop killing off gods. It never turns out well, bringing them back is always an obvious backpedal, and it feels like WotC isn't learning Anything.
If you must kill a god --which never needs to be done-- kill off one that was borrowed from another pantheon. They're generic and removing them destroys less lore.
I don't have an issue with deities dying, depending on how it's done.
I didn't mind the deaths of Bane, Bhaal, and Myrkul, for example. This may or may not have something to do with coming aboard when the ToT was going on, so I don't have the sentimental connection to them that some have.
Ibrandul. We found out about his existence at the same time we found out he was dead. That doesn't bother me. And the reason for his death was reasonable, too.
Moander. He's another that's introduced just to die. It was a really good story, though, one of the best in all of Realms fiction -- so it's all good to me.
Like Ibrandul, there are other deities that we learned about only after their fall: Auppenser (mostly dead), Valigan Thirdborn, Tyche... No issues there.
As long as a divine death isn't arbitrary, makes sense, and isn't The Death of Mystra XXIII, then I'm not going to be bothered by it. |
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