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Sourcemaster2
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 Posted - 30 Jan 2004 : 21:50:52
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I've been reading FR for a while now, and I've been wondering something: where are the rangers' spells? I know that only higher-level(relatively) rangers get spells at all, but I can't find and mention of them in the novels. Even Drizzt, a high-level ranger, never uses any of the magic that should be available to him. Does anyone have an explination?
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Elrond Half Elven
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
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Posted - 30 Jan 2004 : 23:01:23
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I have always assumed that this magic was very much like Divine magic, gained in the same way a druid would get it, either that or given through their patron God. I have No idea why Drizzt doesn't use this, but to be honest he probably does, the spells the ranger has access to aren’t big show numbers, but rather they are similar to many of the skills that he has. To help him survive in the wild, or to move stealthy.
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Edain Shadowstar
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 31 Jan 2004 : 01:02:51
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| The magic of a ranger is in fact divine magic, like that of a druid, only less powerful. Drizzt is unusual, since though Salvatore maintains he's a ranger, he does not shoe him using any spells. In game rules Drizzt would have a few spell to casts, but he does not in the books. I just assume Drizzt does not know the spell, or at least use them. |
Edain Shadowstar
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 02 Feb 2004 : 07:44:25
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The ranger gets a small selection of druid spells, with a few that are only available to rangers themselves. Drizzt, as I recall, has at least one available (speak with animals?). I'd have to check.
It doesn't matter, though -- I'm betting that it'll be replaced soon with the varient ranger class from Complete Warrior, where the ranger doesn't get spells. |
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kahonen
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
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Posted - 02 Feb 2004 : 13:08:25
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Originally posted by Edain Shadowstar
The magic of a ranger is in fact divine magic, like that of a druid, only less powerful. Drizzt is unusual, since though Salvatore maintains he's a ranger, he does not shoe him using any spells. In game rules Drizzt would have a few spell to casts, but he does not in the books. I just assume Drizzt does not know the spell, or at least use them.
Does Drizzt have a patron god? |
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Icewolf
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 02 Feb 2004 : 13:48:49
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Does Drizzt have a patron god?
Nope. He has a patron Goddess: Mielikki  |
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Dracandos the Spellsage
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 03 Feb 2004 : 22:44:06
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| aye divine magic. Drizzt would be high enough lv 2 use some spells, idk whether he used any skills in the books (as i have read all of them) |
Death strips away the masks men don to hide their true nature - The Slayer's Guide to Undead
The Lord of Murder shall perish, but in his doom he shall spawn a score of mortal progeny. Chaos shall be sown from their passage - So Sayeth the Wise Alaundo
Whenever magic one doth weave, 'tis never ever wise to deceive - Elminster
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Edain Shadowstar
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 04 Feb 2004 : 00:17:49
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| Strictly speaking, Drizzt never uses magic beyond his own innate Drow abilities and a few wizard spell to summon a demon and bind it (how he did that I do not know). It is rather funny the selection of spell usually used in Drizzt writeups are spells like pass without trace or calm animal, spells that one could easily fudge enough to make people believe he actually used them. Regardless, Drizzt never casts any rangers spells in the books. |
Edain Shadowstar
Archwizard of Rel Astra and Waterdeep
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Sourcemaster2
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 04 Feb 2004 : 01:07:35
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| It's not just Drizzt; I've been unable to find any ranger in the novels casting a (ranger) spell. |
But what have all the passing years/Done, but breed new angers, fears?/Show me now an equal worth/To innocence I earned at birth. |
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Shadowlord
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 04 Feb 2004 : 01:29:16
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Originally posted by Edain Shadowstar
Strictly speaking, Drizzt never uses magic beyond his own innate Drow abilities and a few wizard spell to summon a demon and bind it (how he did that I do not know). It is rather funny the selection of spell usually used in Drizzt writeups are spells like pass without trace or calm animal, spells that one could easily fudge enough to make people believe he actually used them. Regardless, Drizzt never casts any rangers spells in the books.
Drizzt did not bind a demon. He banished a demon, and Cadderly bound a demon, but Drizzt never did. |
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Dracandos the Spellsage
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 05 Feb 2004 : 01:45:56
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Originally posted by Shadowlord
Drizzt did not bind a demon. He banished a demon
i assume ur reffering 2 Errtu? |
Death strips away the masks men don to hide their true nature - The Slayer's Guide to Undead
The Lord of Murder shall perish, but in his doom he shall spawn a score of mortal progeny. Chaos shall be sown from their passage - So Sayeth the Wise Alaundo
Whenever magic one doth weave, 'tis never ever wise to deceive - Elminster
Strength and power come from knowing and controlling what others do not, but never reveal all that you know - Vecna
I have been known to cast a blue mage spell now and again - Dracandos the Spellsage |
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Shadowlord
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 05 Feb 2004 : 02:09:21
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Correct. Nice work, Dracandos. |
The Chosen of Vhaeraun
"Nature is governed by certain immutable rules. By virtue of claw and fang, the lion will always triumph over the goat.Given time, the pounding of the sea will wear away the stone. And when dark elves mingle with the lighter races, the offspring invariably take after the dark parent. It is all much the same. That which is greater shall prevail. Our numbers increase steadily, both through birth and conquest. The dark elves are the dominant race, so ordained by the gods." Ka'Narlist of the Ilythiiri. |
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
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Posted - 05 Feb 2004 : 06:40:15
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Originally posted by Sourcemaster2
It's not just Drizzt; I've been unable to find any ranger in the novels casting a (ranger) spell.
Well, there haven't been that many rangers in the novels, have there? And even then, the characters' depictions focus on things like tracking and fighting. |
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Lord Rad
Great Reader
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Posted - 05 Feb 2004 : 09:00:51
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Originally posted by Bookwyrm
Well, there haven't been that many rangers in the novels, have there? And even then, the characters' depictions focus on things like tracking and fighting.
Exactly. Take a look at Ren o' the Blade from Heroes of Phlan fame, a great ranger! Also, Art... er... Cimb..... damn, I cant remember his name, the one from Ring of Winter.
Ive always thought to leave magic out when running rangers (maybe i never let my players get to a high enough level of ranger  ), rangers with magic, in my book, are more or less druids 
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Dracandos the Spellsage
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 05 Feb 2004 : 21:59:09
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Originally posted by Shadowlord
Correct. Nice work, Dracandos.
thank u Shadowlord |
Death strips away the masks men don to hide their true nature - The Slayer's Guide to Undead
The Lord of Murder shall perish, but in his doom he shall spawn a score of mortal progeny. Chaos shall be sown from their passage - So Sayeth the Wise Alaundo
Whenever magic one doth weave, 'tis never ever wise to deceive - Elminster
Strength and power come from knowing and controlling what others do not, but never reveal all that you know - Vecna
I have been known to cast a blue mage spell now and again - Dracandos the Spellsage |
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
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4740 Posts |
Posted - 06 Feb 2004 : 17:29:39
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Originally posted by Rad
Ive always thought to leave magic out when running rangers (maybe i never let my players get to a high enough level of ranger ), rangers with magic, in my book, are more or less druids
Same here, really. A few spells don't ruin it, but the focus of the ranger is on tracking, fighting, etc. The paladin's sort of the same way, though I think they can have more spells than others.
It's why I liked the idea of the no-spell ranger and paladin variants. At the very least the ranger; I didn't have time to study it, but I took a look at the ranger in the store and I thought that it seemed more like Drizzt than the standard version. |
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cpthero2
Great Reader
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Posted - 28 Sep 2018 : 15:47:23
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Senior Scribe Sourcemaster2,
To be frank, I have no understanding why that kind of magical might was never written into novels, especially ones including Drizzt and other high end/profile rangers. It must just be that Drizzt was so ridiculously powerful that Bob said, "Nope. Too much wreckface as it is around here with the dual scimitar wielding annihilator."
You would think though with the different things that he does in the Underdark (especialy) as well as above the Underdark, that he would use those skills. I mean, the Elf is super high level, which means he'd have access to some pretty awesome spells.
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Originally posted by Sourcemaster2
I've been reading FR for a while now, and I've been wondering something: where are the rangers' spells? I know that only higher-level(relatively) rangers get spells at all, but I can't find and mention of them in the novels. Even Drizzt, a high-level ranger, never uses any of the magic that should be available to him. Does anyone have an explination?
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The magic of rangers
