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Xander Fang
Acolyte
USA
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 Posted - 24 Feb 2004 : 22:15:43
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| I was thinking of another combination of gods to throw together why not put Helm or Tyr probably the most uptight gods in the pantheon and have them hook up with Sharess. Maybe that would make either one of them more likeable, and a little more relaxed. |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
5517 Posts |
Posted - 25 Feb 2004 : 03:17:48
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Originally posted by Xander Fang
I was thinking of another combination of gods to throw together why not put Helm or Tyr probably the most uptight gods in the pantheon and have them hook up with Sharess. Maybe that would make either one of them more likeable, and a little more relaxed.
A Gods' threesome? Next on the Jerry Springer FR edition show..... |
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The Cardinal
Senior Scribe
Canada
647 Posts |
Posted - 25 Feb 2004 : 04:01:14
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| Helm and Tyr are fine the way they are.... Now Sharess, that is one of the frivolous gods that should be obliterated.... Along with Sune. We need gods like Bane, Cyric, Lolth, Shar! Not Sharess, Sune, Lathander, and Eilistraee...... Now Cyric and Lolth... there's a dangerous duo no? And twould make a worth while alliance as well... Faerun Beware.... |
It has to be Certain, the Gods Hate Me. For whatever irrevokable Fate, I have been made the walking Joke. Either that, or Beshaba is overlyfond Of Me.
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
5517 Posts |
Posted - 25 Feb 2004 : 21:47:46
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Originally posted by Cardinal Deimos
Now Cyric and Lolth... there's a dangerous duo no? And twould make a worth while alliance as well... Faerun Beware.... [/red]
Those two with their respective egos? I don't see any alliance coming about between those two. |
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Shadowlord
Master of Realmslore
USA
1298 Posts |
Posted - 26 Feb 2004 : 02:08:15
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Alas, Lolth tolerates Selvetarm, so I do not see why she wouldn't ally with Cyric (however unlikely that seems  ). |
The Chosen of Vhaeraun
"Nature is governed by certain immutable rules. By virtue of claw and fang, the lion will always triumph over the goat.Given time, the pounding of the sea will wear away the stone. And when dark elves mingle with the lighter races, the offspring invariably take after the dark parent. It is all much the same. That which is greater shall prevail. Our numbers increase steadily, both through birth and conquest. The dark elves are the dominant race, so ordained by the gods." Ka'Narlist of the Ilythiiri. |
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Xander Fang
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 26 Feb 2004 : 05:46:59
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Originally posted by Cardinal Deimos
Helm and Tyr are fine the way they are.... Now Sharess, that is one of the frivolous gods that should be obliterated.... Along with Sune. We need gods like Bane, Cyric, Lolth, Shar! Not Sharess, Sune, Lathander, and Eilistraee...... Now Cyric and Lolth... there's a dangerous duo no? And twould make a worth while alliance as well... Faerun Beware....
First of all who here hasnt felt hedonistic before, and Cyric and Lolth, there is a major difference between chaos and maddness. |
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The Cardinal
Senior Scribe
Canada
647 Posts |
Posted - 26 Feb 2004 : 07:28:21
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That, our friend, is open to debate. After all, the purest sense of true chaos is that of insanity. Insanity is the only true perfect chaos, and through chaos and destruction... creation of course. |
It has to be Certain, the Gods Hate Me. For whatever irrevokable Fate, I have been made the walking Joke. Either that, or Beshaba is overlyfond Of Me.
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
5517 Posts |
Posted - 26 Feb 2004 : 15:07:40
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Originally posted by Shadowlord
Alas, Lolth tolerates Selvetarm, so I do not see why she wouldn't ally with Cyric (however unlikely that seems ).
Yes, but there's a clear pecking order in the Lolth and Selvetarm relationship. She is in charge. Do you see Cyric agreeing to such a role in a relationship? |
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Shadowlord
Master of Realmslore
USA
1298 Posts |
Posted - 26 Feb 2004 : 20:24:36
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| Yes, you are, of course, correct. Selvetarm bows down to Lolth in all things, though Lolth (his grandma ) is his greatest foe..... |
The Chosen of Vhaeraun
"Nature is governed by certain immutable rules. By virtue of claw and fang, the lion will always triumph over the goat.Given time, the pounding of the sea will wear away the stone. And when dark elves mingle with the lighter races, the offspring invariably take after the dark parent. It is all much the same. That which is greater shall prevail. Our numbers increase steadily, both through birth and conquest. The dark elves are the dominant race, so ordained by the gods." Ka'Narlist of the Ilythiiri. |
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arilyn742
Seeker
Ireland
54 Posts |
Posted - 27 Feb 2004 : 19:41:01
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Arilyn and Danilo.
Or, to be more creative, Kelemvor and Chauntea - mix and match! |
Yonde iru, mune no doko ka oku de
Itsumo kokoro odoru yume wo mitai
Kanashimi wa kazoekirenai keredo
Sono mukou de kitto anata ni aeru |
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Mikayla
Acolyte
USA
20 Posts |
Posted - 27 Feb 2004 : 21:14:48
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Previously Roewyn said:
However Loviatar and Ilmater make a great couple. One loves to hurt other to suffer, they can make eachother very happy.
Hmm...prolly not I think. People who like to suffer do not make good play-pals for those who like to inflict real suffering - after all if you like to 'suffer' you are not really suffering when you are...suffering. Clear as mud huh? In otherwords, Loviatar would not get much pleasure from whipping Ilmater because that what Ilmater likes. The worst thing Loviatar could do to Ilmater is ignore him, and that I think, would simply not be very gratifying to her.
Now..on to what this post is really about - Lolth. Lolth and Cyric, Lolth and Selevetarm...the key componenet here is Lolth (well, it is because I my Cyric knowledge is rather limited while my Lolth knowledge is...not).
The title of this thread is "Love" but we have to take that out of the equation where Lolth is involved from the start. Not that she will never love (no one is beyond redemption until they're finally dead) but at the moment, she is not capable of it.
Lolth is all about hate - and not just hate for elves or the seldarine but hate for herself and everything made in her image as well. I shall explain...
Back in the day, when Lolth was a cute elf-girl running around Arvandor named Araushnee she had this boy friend named Corellon. Corellon was the big man on campus and very popular among the elf set. Fine. Problem was that Araushnee wanted to be the leader and not by Corellon's side.
Well...she had a couple of choices as those in such situations do..she could compete with Corellon and earn the leadership (or not) or she could betray him and remove him. She chose the latter course. Why? Because she obviously felt the first option was not viable - here we see the first sign of her self-esteem problem (which probably originated because she was 'different' from the other elves with her dark skin and light hair and got teased in elf-goddess-daycare).
So, Araushnee betrays Corellon ... but fails. He transforms her into a drider looking thing and casts her into the Abyss.
Now, as we all know, hell hath no fury like a woman scorned. Nevermind she brought it on herself - thats male logic attempting to impose itself on female emotions and it will not work. Araushnee, now Lolth, has MUCH more to hate - she hates Corellon for defeating her, she hates her state in life, she hates herself for failing and she basically just hates everything. I mean, wouldn't you? From the manicured forests of Arvandor to the depths of the Abyss? Talk about a drop in propery values.
Anyway, so, Lolth goes about influencing the Ilythiir who anniliate the moon-elves of the Myritar (sp?). Corellon is mad and curses the Ilythiir making them the drow we know and love today. Lolth has her own followers, now in her own image. Does she love them?
No! Of course not silly - she hates them - she hates herself so why would she love something so akin to herself.
How do we know Lolth hates herself? Look at the society she set up. She makes the males second class citizens in her revenge on Corellon but she reserves her special torments for those most like herself - the priestesses - the ones of her followers most like herself.
What creature is more tormented in Faerun that the priestesses of Lolth? They have to serve a goddess that plays with them; they rear children that they will have to kill, or watch die in some Lolthian test or...for those children that actually live...the priestesses have to watch their back because someday its guaranteed that the child will try and kill its mother. In the meantime the priestess must constantly seek the favor of Lolth and compete with all her peers to do so AND virtually every sentient being on the face of Toril...or under it...would prefer to see the priestess dead including most other priestesses!
Now, I know, you are thinking, 'but the males, the slaves, they have it worse.' Not so.
The slaves actions and lives are ruled over by slavemasters, presumably other lesser race creatures or drow soldiers and such. Big deal. Those slavemasters are nothing in comparison to what drow males have to watch out for - drow females! The priestesses who watch over the males are, as mentioned, capricious, fickle, evil, conniving and sadistic. Its in their job description.
But who stands above the priestesses? Lolth.
So, who would you rather answer to for your life? A slavemaster? A psychotic priestess? Or a virtually insane Goddess that hates everything?
And what happens to these priestesses? Say one serves Lolth faithfully and successfully all her life. What then is her reward? Well, for Matron Ghenni'tiroth Tlabbar her fate was to be abandoned by Lolth at a critical moment and end up with her heart cutout and laying on her own sacrificial platter.
Surely there is a reward in the afterlife that makes it all worthwhile right? Well....if a priestess is really faithful and competent and such mayhaps Lolth will make her a Yochlol, a handmaiden of Lolth.
Ever seen one? UGLY. They look like a person turned inside out with one big dinner-plate sized blood shot eye.
Ironic isn't it? In life, Lolth likes her priestesses beautiful in appearance but ugly in soul (see the part where they are all lying, conniving, petty, deceitful, murderous etc.). However, once dead, Lolth makes them as ugly on the outside as they were on the inside - sort of like what Corellon did to HER when he transformed her into a drider shaped thing. Granted, she can take a drow form and so can the Yochlols but sheesh, who would EVER want to be a 6' tall reeking lump of tentacled flesh? They should be called "Yuck-ols."
Point is Lolth really focuses her attention and torments most like herself thus showing how much she hates herself.
NOW...to get us back on track. What does this have to do with Cyric and Selevetarm?
Well, that Lolth has this dominant/subordinate relationship with Selevetarm is not hard to figure out - he is a male of lesser stature and really beneath her hate but he is useful so ... she uses him.
As for Cyric..well..he would not be so easily used. A relatonship with him would be ... whats the buzzword? Toxic. (I feel so 'Dr. Phil' now). Toxic and outright dangerous - it can only really end one way - Cyric would try to kill her. Lolth I think, even in her self hatred, will skip this. She is self-hating but she is sophisticated. True, LOTS of women get involved with men they shouldn't and carry on in toxic, dangerous relationships (trust me on this one - I think back about some of the guys I dated during a certain period of my life and, well, for the love of Lolth what was I thinking?).
Lolth is just too sophisticated. She is self-hating and somewhat self-destructive..but simply too smart, conniving, and, at a surface level, too confident to do something that base.
So, that was my long way of saying I don't think Lolth and Cyric would hook up - at least not for anything but a one-night stand.
Ciao!
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The Cardinal
Senior Scribe
Canada
647 Posts |
Posted - 27 Feb 2004 : 21:37:26
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But as all would agree. Even a one night stand can have repercussions that will affect much. Perhaps even alter the path of fate and destiny... |
It has to be Certain, the Gods Hate Me. For whatever irrevokable Fate, I have been made the walking Joke. Either that, or Beshaba is overlyfond Of Me.
-Unknown |
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Mikayla
Acolyte
USA
20 Posts |
Posted - 27 Feb 2004 : 22:08:11
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CD wrote:
But as all would agree. Even a one night stand can have repercussions that will affect much. Perhaps even alter the path of fate and destiny...
Yep...thats what condums are for. |
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Shadowlord
Master of Realmslore
USA
1298 Posts |
Posted - 28 Feb 2004 : 01:32:08
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*Ahem*, back on topic, Lolth wouldn't want a relationship with Selvetarm. He is, in fact, her grandson. Does that sound wrong to someone other than me?  |
The Chosen of Vhaeraun
"Nature is governed by certain immutable rules. By virtue of claw and fang, the lion will always triumph over the goat.Given time, the pounding of the sea will wear away the stone. And when dark elves mingle with the lighter races, the offspring invariably take after the dark parent. It is all much the same. That which is greater shall prevail. Our numbers increase steadily, both through birth and conquest. The dark elves are the dominant race, so ordained by the gods." Ka'Narlist of the Ilythiiri. |
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The Cardinal
Senior Scribe
Canada
647 Posts |
Posted - 28 Feb 2004 : 02:02:07
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| We hate to be the ones to break it to you Shadowlord, But we have heard of hints of such 'relationships' among the drow. Albeit briefly and perhaps at times as only mere rumors, even the mere mention of such things mean that they are not as uncommon as one would like among the Drow. |
It has to be Certain, the Gods Hate Me. For whatever irrevokable Fate, I have been made the walking Joke. Either that, or Beshaba is overlyfond Of Me.
-Unknown |
Edited by - The Cardinal on 28 Feb 2004 02:05:56 |
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Mikayla
Acolyte
USA
20 Posts |
Posted - 28 Feb 2004 : 02:44:49
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| Yeah, I would probably have to go with CD on this - why would a little incest be repugnant to the drow? Given that they do not have a classic western family structure with marriage and such it does not seem far fetched. Indeed, as many if not most children of a priestess or matron are probably only half-siblings (given the consort/patron system that stands in place of marriage) I think incest, at least laterally, would be relatively common. |
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The Cardinal
Senior Scribe
Canada
647 Posts |
Posted - 28 Feb 2004 : 02:47:50
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*Half Laughs and groans*
That... was... a... horrible pun... |
It has to be Certain, the Gods Hate Me. For whatever irrevokable Fate, I have been made the walking Joke. Either that, or Beshaba is overlyfond Of Me.
-Unknown |
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Shadowlord
Master of Realmslore
USA
1298 Posts |
Posted - 28 Feb 2004 : 13:56:43
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Ugh, Cardinal! We found another "funny one"....... |
The Chosen of Vhaeraun
"Nature is governed by certain immutable rules. By virtue of claw and fang, the lion will always triumph over the goat.Given time, the pounding of the sea will wear away the stone. And when dark elves mingle with the lighter races, the offspring invariably take after the dark parent. It is all much the same. That which is greater shall prevail. Our numbers increase steadily, both through birth and conquest. The dark elves are the dominant race, so ordained by the gods." Ka'Narlist of the Ilythiiri. |
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Mikayla
Acolyte
USA
20 Posts |
Posted - 28 Feb 2004 : 16:41:36
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SL exclaimed:
Ugh, Cardinal! We found another "funny one".......
Yes you did, you just have no idea how 'funny'......not yet anyway....
...and now...back to Love, Faerun-style. |
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Lina
Senior Scribe
Australia
469 Posts |
Posted - 29 Feb 2004 : 02:31:36
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Originally posted by Cult_Leader
Yeah she is just a sily drow female *snickers* Nah, I ment me and card being a good couple  *makes te drow marry him so he can like, uhhh..... ermmm.... have connections in the underdark. MWAHAHAHAH*
Me and Cardinal!!! Your kidding right. *takes out the Improved Staff of the Irritated Moderator and smacks both Cardinal and Leader over the head. While both are still dazed by the staff's affects Lina teleports them to a room at a nearby inn lying naked on the bed.* "Now let's have a look at the goodies they left for me." *rifles through their clothes* |
“Darkness beyond twilight, crimson beyond blood that flows! Buried in the flow of time. In thy great name. I pledge myself to darkness. All the fools who stand in our way shall be destroyed…by the power you and I possess! DRAGON SLAVE!!!”
"Thieves? Ah, such an ugly word... look upon them as the most honest sort of merchant."
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The Cardinal
Senior Scribe
Canada
647 Posts |
Posted - 29 Feb 2004 : 02:50:32
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* teleports back, with a deep scowl on his face*
We think that thou hast misunderstood what Cult was saying... Believe us when we say we could think of no fate worse that some one attempting to bind us to you... Your not the only one though who knows spells:
" Darkness beyond blackest pitch, Deeper than the deepest night. Lord of Darkness who shines like gold upon the sea of chaos. I call upon thee! I swear myself to thee! Let the fools who stand before us be destoryed by the power you and I possess!"
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It has to be Certain, the Gods Hate Me. For whatever irrevokable Fate, I have been made the walking Joke. Either that, or Beshaba is overlyfond Of Me.
-Unknown |
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Arivia
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 29 Feb 2004 : 02:50:45
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*raises a hand*
Do I need to hold the peace here, scribes?
*waves a hand, restoring Deimos and the other to their place, fully clothed.*
Lina, if you would be so good as to give them back their belongings? Sorry to have to break this up, but we really should be focusing on the topic on hand, which, last I checked, was love.
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Cult_Leader
Learned Scribe
USA
337 Posts |
Posted - 04 Mar 2004 : 13:46:22
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| Well anyway , Lina is still my pet by contract hehe. Ok cool Drow doing other members of their family. Yes thats actually a slightly common thing, Its happens. You might think that if Dri had gone along with the rest of the drow stock that he might have done his sister, the one born from the same father. If I remember correctly, ick it was when he was like a baby his mother told her not to. Anyway, Actually .... Dr had it really easy when it comes to ladies. That lucky bastard.... I mean come on, human ladies like him, some eleven ones seem to after they know him, and .... well.... Most Drow Females want to make him his. So all i need to do is find that class that some low life made for his char, called the pimp, capture D, and woot, I will make a lot of gold. |
"Madness you say! Do you fear me? Are you afraid of what I might do, of what I might say? What a fascinating reaction. Don't you find it somewhat encumbering?"
Piddles assumes a deep and resonant voice. "Space...the Final Frontier. These are the voyages of the starship...Garou. It's mission: to slay Wyrm creatures where they live and breed. To accumulate more Garou than the world's entire population. To produce metis like no one has before." - Piddles
"Aren't you people supposed to be doing something? Like, entertaining me, the fascist wizard?" - InleRah
I have the passwords to the minds of everyone and the cheat codes to the universe - Me |
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Lina
Senior Scribe
Australia
469 Posts |
Posted - 06 Mar 2004 : 00:57:55
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Deimos, you peeked at my spellbook! Didn't you! Don't deny it, I know these things.
Cult_Leader, I may be your "pet" but if you think hard about it I'm the master and your the slave here, as many others are slaves onto their pets.
The only reason Drizzts has it easy when it comes to women is because he's famous. Name anyone famous that women don't fall over themselves for. |
“Darkness beyond twilight, crimson beyond blood that flows! Buried in the flow of time. In thy great name. I pledge myself to darkness. All the fools who stand in our way shall be destroyed…by the power you and I possess! DRAGON SLAVE!!!”
"Thieves? Ah, such an ugly word... look upon them as the most honest sort of merchant."
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Cult_Leader
Learned Scribe
USA
337 Posts |
Posted - 11 Mar 2004 : 14:44:42
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| Hmmm, Oh there are many of those. And no. When was the last time I fed you? Slave to my pet yeah right lol. |
"Madness you say! Do you fear me? Are you afraid of what I might do, of what I might say? What a fascinating reaction. Don't you find it somewhat encumbering?"
Piddles assumes a deep and resonant voice. "Space...the Final Frontier. These are the voyages of the starship...Garou. It's mission: to slay Wyrm creatures where they live and breed. To accumulate more Garou than the world's entire population. To produce metis like no one has before." - Piddles
"Aren't you people supposed to be doing something? Like, entertaining me, the fascist wizard?" - InleRah
I have the passwords to the minds of everyone and the cheat codes to the universe - Me |
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Lina
Senior Scribe
Australia
469 Posts |
Posted - 12 Mar 2004 : 08:39:11
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Originally posted by Cult_Leader
Hmmm, Oh there are many of those. And no. When was the last time I fed you? Slave to my pet yeah right lol.
I see you've never had a magical pet before. *Starts casting. A banquet spreads out on the table and servants appear do Lina's every bidding.* |
“Darkness beyond twilight, crimson beyond blood that flows! Buried in the flow of time. In thy great name. I pledge myself to darkness. All the fools who stand in our way shall be destroyed…by the power you and I possess! DRAGON SLAVE!!!”
"Thieves? Ah, such an ugly word... look upon them as the most honest sort of merchant."
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 12 Mar 2004 : 13:21:24
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Originally posted by Lina
Name anyone famous that women don't fall over themselves for.
I can do that right now...ME!...
Sorry my fellow scribes, but I just couldn't resist...
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Cult_Leader
Learned Scribe
USA
337 Posts |
Posted - 12 Mar 2004 : 14:29:53
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Yeah no kidding me to. And im so charming *belch* .... Well maybe not heh.
*Begins to eat all the pets food* |
"Madness you say! Do you fear me? Are you afraid of what I might do, of what I might say? What a fascinating reaction. Don't you find it somewhat encumbering?"
Piddles assumes a deep and resonant voice. "Space...the Final Frontier. These are the voyages of the starship...Garou. It's mission: to slay Wyrm creatures where they live and breed. To accumulate more Garou than the world's entire population. To produce metis like no one has before." - Piddles
"Aren't you people supposed to be doing something? Like, entertaining me, the fascist wizard?" - InleRah
I have the passwords to the minds of everyone and the cheat codes to the universe - Me |
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Lina
Senior Scribe
Australia
469 Posts |
Posted - 17 Mar 2004 : 10:48:51
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Keep dreaming Sage, you too Cult_Leader. Your both not on the AA list. The only chance you'd get if they were blind or drunk or both.
*Gives Cult_Leader the evils* Enjoying the dog pet food? You'll get a nice glossy, shiny coat if you eat up all the bones and crusts. |
“Darkness beyond twilight, crimson beyond blood that flows! Buried in the flow of time. In thy great name. I pledge myself to darkness. All the fools who stand in our way shall be destroyed…by the power you and I possess! DRAGON SLAVE!!!”
"Thieves? Ah, such an ugly word... look upon them as the most honest sort of merchant."
-Oglar the Thieflord |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Love
...Now where's the love in that statement Lina...?