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Dennis
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 Posted - 05 Apr 2013 : 13:25:02
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Easy. Just get one gremlin and have lots and lots of water. No wizard, no king is safe amidst an army of wet and happy gremlins! |
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Arcanus
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 05 Apr 2013 : 22:24:45
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Nothing splits a country better than a religeous civil war.
I read you the first time. While their are deities in opposition in the Realms, such wars are unlikely in the Realms where people believe in many deities.
It's also unlikely to work when there isn't a state-sponsored religion. If there was a single, state-sponsored religion, using religious strife to cause a civil war becomes a far more workable solution.
You could have one religion declared the state religion (by an en-spelled king) and see the ensuing chaos.
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Foxhelm
Senior Scribe
Canada
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Posted - 05 Apr 2013 : 23:16:26
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The way to bring down a society, be it city like Gotham or Country like Corymr is to restrict or eliminate the basic needs of life. Water, Food, shelter, protection.
To use the Nuke example, it is not the explosion which makes the weapon so feared. In fact that destructive power is measured in the equalivalant of TNT, so conventional weapons have the same effect. It is the fact a nuke poisons the food, water, landscape and people of where it hits.
This is the thing which breaks down society.
Gotham in The Dark Knight Rises, like in the comics No Man's Land, is the factor the city is sealed off from contact. In a major modern city where food and water have to be imported from outside, this means food and water are scares. The Police Force is limited and/or weakened, and most of the buildings are damaged and/or need of repair and/or destroyed.
The basic needs of human are broken.
If the Shaman can do this to Cormyr, which is hard to perform then just a city in that state... you can get what you want. |
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Entromancer
Senior Scribe
USA
388 Posts |
Posted - 06 Apr 2013 : 00:46:56
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Originally posted by Dennis
Easy. Just get one gremlin and have lots and lots of water. No wizard, no king is safe amidst an army of wet and happy gremlins!
If we're bringing in outside threat, I'll just hop to Zendikar, rig the Eldrazi Titans with harnesses, pop over to New Phyrexia for the Praetors, and let them enter Toril astride the Eldrazi Titans. :D
Thanks, all. You've given me some ideas that I should be able to stretch over multiple campaigns, culminating the invasion of Cormry. |
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TBeholder
Great Reader
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Posted - 09 Apr 2013 : 11:52:18
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Oh, and he had a nuke, and made sure the whole world knew he had one.
First big obstacle is, of course, where to get something with that much destructive power in the realms. Certainly such things exist, but they aren't exactly as easy to come by as nuclear weapons are in our world, nor are they as easy to control.
Then there's the issue that should you acquire an item of such power as to be able to level a city in an instant, most people aren't going to know what it is to be afraid of it, were as nukes are very much ingrained in the human psyche in the real world.
Almost forgot! Speaking of Cormyr? One word: Tilverton.  |
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Riverwind
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 26 Apr 2013 : 08:52:59
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| I would love to get into a discussion that Cormry's army isn't large enough!!!!!! |
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Doge
Seeker
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Posted - 26 Apr 2013 : 14:50:52
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| Move the Entropy and its daughters toward it? A sphere of annihilation is pretty nukey. That'd cause panic. Release a couple dragons and a horde of undead, some earthquakes and storms, open a gate to hell, burn all their crops and livestock. Just simply cause chaos. Make the people revolt. They can't handle a lot of things happening everywhere all at once. Chaos is your friend. |
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Sightless
Senior Scribe
USA
608 Posts |
Posted - 26 Apr 2013 : 16:55:55
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I don’t recall what era this will be taken place in, so I will simply state “evil group,” to refer to any group you’d like to use.
(1), Evil group obtains the services of druids, through either blackmail, mercenary contract, or being part of the group itself. Said druids begin casting locust sworms on the heavest agriculture centers of Cormyr, as well as flights of birds, ravens, would work well, as they wouldn’t be expected to serve as carriers.
(2). Evil group begins to use alcamy to alter underdark fungi to pray on grain, barley, and oat crops. Making the fungi in seed form and use the birds as carriers for the seeds.
(3). The combination of these two forms of blight, will greatly reduce the amount of food in Cormyr.
(5) As a consequence, nobles and wealthy merchants begin to hord food.
(6) clashes between the King’s army and nobles result as a consequence of attempts at food distribution, and rampet food obtaining and hording.
(7) Evil group slips semi-charasmatic leaders to further rally the rabble, along side Corymrians that are already dowing so.
Consequence, we have a semi-fragmented political nation, civil strife, food shortages, and a continuing food scarcity until the fungus is taken care of.
The party must help to obtain food, figure out what forces are causing crops to fail, deal with rebel armies, deal with outside forces with magical power, and they must do so quickly, as things will only get worse. The sands of time are running low, and things can get a lot worse, before they might, might get better.
(Yeah, I’ve done this before).
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Sightless
Senior Scribe
USA
608 Posts |
Posted - 05 May 2013 : 20:37:09
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| Thanks, it was actually the plot of the first campaign I ever ran. And the repercautions are still being felt several campaigns later. |
We choose to live a lie, when we see with, & not through the eye.
Every decision, no matter the evidence, is a leap of faith; if it were not, then it wouldn't be a choice at all. |
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Derulbaskul
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Singapore
408 Posts |
Posted - 11 May 2013 : 10:07:30
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| Nice one, Sightless. |
Cheers
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NB: Please remember: A cannon is a big gun. Canon is what we discuss here. |
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Venger
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 11 May 2013 : 12:28:03
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Would it be possible for a barbarian shaman with an underground army of genasi, tieflings, goblinoids and wyrmkeepers to turn Cormyr into a No Man's Land ala Bane from The Dark Knight Rises? I can't, for the life of me, figure out how to subdue/incapacitate Elminster and any other chosen lurking around the Realm.
Suggestions? Or would this be extremely suicidal and extremely stupid?
If you're going to imitate that movie then take a page from the movie and use some sort of WMD which'll outside forces fearful of stepping in. You don't even need a huge army, just as Bane didn't need a huge army. Depending on the threat, you could convince the Cormyrean government to set up a cordon around the borders so that the people don't flee. If the weapon which the bad guys possess is terrible enough, and if the good guys are afraid of its being set off if they intercede, then they'll follow the rules which the bad guys set down until they find some way of turning the tables on him.
The only question is, what exists in the Forgotten Realms canon which is equivalent to a WMD? Something only good for destruction, but which can inflict tremendous amount of damage, and which all powers everywhere would fear seeing it employed? |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 11 May 2013 : 13:33:29
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Originally posted by Venger
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Originally posted by Entromancer
Would it be possible for a barbarian shaman with an underground army of genasi, tieflings, goblinoids and wyrmkeepers to turn Cormyr into a No Man's Land ala Bane from The Dark Knight Rises? I can't, for the life of me, figure out how to subdue/incapacitate Elminster and any other chosen lurking around the Realm.
Suggestions? Or would this be extremely suicidal and extremely stupid?
If you're going to imitate that movie then take a page from the movie and use some sort of WMD which'll outside forces fearful of stepping in. You don't even need a huge army, just as Bane didn't need a huge army. Depending on the threat, you could convince the Cormyrean government to set up a cordon around the borders so that the people don't flee. If the weapon which the bad guys possess is terrible enough, and if the good guys are afraid of its being set off if they intercede, then they'll follow the rules which the bad guys set down until they find some way of turning the tables on him.
The only question is, what exists in the Forgotten Realms canon which is equivalent to a WMD? Something only good for destruction, but which can inflict tremendous amount of damage, and which all powers everywhere would fear seeing it employed?
I don't think that will work as well in the Realms, because everyone would want to get involved, regardless of the threat. Shade, for example, would want the WMD for themselves, and wouldn't care if all Cormyr got nuked while they were trying to get it. Ditto for Thay.
That's part of why I prefer Sightless's approach. |
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Sightless
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 11 May 2013 : 14:36:55
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Originally posted by Venger
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Originally posted by Entromancer
Would it be possible for a barbarian shaman with an underground army of genasi, tieflings, goblinoids and wyrmkeepers to turn Cormyr into a No Man's Land ala Bane from The Dark Knight Rises? I can't, for the life of me, figure out how to subdue/incapacitate Elminster and any other chosen lurking around the Realm.
Suggestions? Or would this be extremely suicidal and extremely stupid?
If you're going to imitate that movie then take a page from the movie and use some sort of WMD which'll outside forces fearful of stepping in. You don't even need a huge army, just as Bane didn't need a huge army. Depending on the threat, you could convince the Cormyrean government to set up a cordon around the borders so that the people don't flee. If the weapon which the bad guys possess is terrible enough, and if the good guys are afraid of its being set off if they intercede, then they'll follow the rules which the bad guys set down until they find some way of turning the tables on him.
The only question is, what exists in the Forgotten Realms canon which is equivalent to a WMD? Something only good for destruction, but which can inflict tremendous amount of damage, and which all powers everywhere would fear seeing it employed?
Well, I’ll admit, my campaign was set shortly after barry Elmenster deep, but right before Elmenster in rage, a book I’ve not read yet. So, the chosen and El were occupied at the time. So, depending on when you are planning to run this, I’d suggest the following:
1. have the chosen busy with the events during or around Elmenster in hell, thus making them busy and unable to help;
2. have the chosen and El busy dealing with an invasion from a different plan of existence;
3 have them all busy with events surrounding the taking of Shadowdale;
4 have them all busy dealing with an issue that never comes to light;
Above all this, my suggested problem isn’t one that even the chosen can simply step in and snap their fingers and fix. The crop blight for instence, will require time to figure out, even for a brillent sage such as El, as it’s brand new, spreeds easily, and is resistence to most forms of of alcamical responses. The fact that it spreads so easily, and has a natural carrier makes a response all the more difficult, as a magical cure wont keep the fungi from taking back up inn area, once it’s been removed, unless some sort of treatment is used to keep it out. As for the nobles and the shortages, and so on, El could handle that issue given time, but he’d have to direct his attention to that completely, and that would mean that other matters would be left to someone else. And all this is dependent upon, as I’ve already said, that said individuals aren’t dealing with a more pressing issue, whatever that pressing issue might be. A single powerful item, no matter what it’s nature, would be more easily neutralized, than an environmental one, that covers a large portion of the nation, and is directly linked to survivability. Food and water are the two most essential factors for survival, with shelter coming next, but animals will go without shelter in order to gain the latter. Starvation is also something that anyone can easily understand and quickly stimulates the flight/fight portion of the mind. I can respond better, knowing when you plan to run this, but for now, this is the best I can due.
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Bringing Down Cormyr
