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Jeremy Grenemyer
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Posted - 13 Feb 2013 :  16:16:22  Show Profile Send Jeremy Grenemyer a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Let no controversy die out!

Which is to say the halfling is back up for discussion on the WotC website, complete with diagrams and new (well, that I've not seen yet) artwork.

The lightfoot halfling on the extreme right in the piece at the bottom of the article looks to me like a miniature Mirt the Moneylender.

Or a miniature Matt James, come to think of it.

Look for me and my content at EN World (user name: sanishiver).

Edited by - Jeremy Grenemyer on 13 Feb 2013 16:17:07
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Markustay
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Posted - 13 Feb 2013 :  16:46:35  Show Profile Send Markustay a Private Message  Reply with Quote
More like a heavyfoot halfling.

I've used all types, from all editions, and even borrow some from other sources (Munchkins, Warrows, Oompa-Loompas, Kender) - they are just different (subracial) groups of the same race. ATM (in my current campaign) they are probably closest to the 4e take, and the 3e take from Races of the Wild.

I don't know why they are so hung-up on them not looking like short humans - if anything, they are making them look even more like that (because a proportionately correct tiny human is strange... one that looks like a midget/dwarf is NOT). They are supposed to look just like 'small people' (and therefor proportionately correct).

I'm just going to stick with the racial sizes/proportions from 3e, and the 'chubby' halflings are the ones that have retired from a life of adventuring (or never bothered to to be an adventurer in the first place). They have exceptionally efficient anatomies which burns enormous amounts of energy (calories). When they become sedentary they gain weight rapidly (probably for similar reasons humans do - they go into an evolutionary 'hibernation mode'). I like PF's racial illustration as well, but I'm not a big fan of (normal) elves being taller then humans. Fey YES, Elves, just no (It was like that in T&T as well).

And while trying to find racial pics, I came across this interesting article (although not directly related to the topic - sorry). The guy makes a really good point about pigeon-holing PCs (second article, after the trailer).
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Originally posted by Jeremy Grenemyer

Or a miniature Matt James, come to think of it.
Glad YOU said that, not me. Like someone pushed down on his head really hard and squashed him.

Anyhow, that first pic actually looks just like my Ex's cousin when she was about 16.

"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone


Edited by - Markustay on 13 Feb 2013 16:50:01
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Laeknir
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Posted - 13 Feb 2013 :  16:54:54  Show Profile  Visit Laeknir's Homepage Send Laeknir a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I think it's funny (and a bit of a talking-down-to) with the Halflings part 2 article. Of course halflings aren't real, but when people talk about wanting realism I think it's pretty clear what they want.

I still really don't like the halfling art at the end of that article. What's with the frayed clothing, straps poking out, useless tiny pouches, and the like? It makes them look plodding and slow, like they're dirt poor and begging for scraps and handouts. I think they DO need to understand halflings from a more realistic perspective. They might not be real from our world, but they have to realistically fit into the Realms. They're every bit as well-off as humans, and often are wealthier, certainly more comfortable. Realms halflings are also very agile, not dumpy or slow-looking.

Unless everyone in the post-spellplague Realms is destitute and rootless, this just isn't a good art set.
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 13 Feb 2013 :  18:03:30  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Jeremy Grenemyer

Let no controversy die out!

Which is to say the halfling is back up for discussion on the WotC website, complete with diagrams and new (well, that I've not seen yet) artwork.

The lightfoot halfling on the extreme right in the piece at the bottom of the article looks to me like a miniature Mirt the Moneylender.

Or a miniature Matt James, come to think of it.



That artwork looks a lot better, though I'm not keen on the rightmost halfling. His head still looks a little too large for me.

I've always pictured halflings as scaled-down humans. Same proportions, only smaller.

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Victor_ograygor
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Posted - 14 Feb 2013 :  16:57:12  Show Profile  Visit Victor_ograygor's Homepage Send Victor_ograygor a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I don't like it at all... honestly.. I hope that they take this more seriously... I loved the art in 2end edition (forgotten realms) and the material in 1 edition.. great work that described everything that you needed to know.... everything after this..has been full of mistakes..missing martial information and so one.. I am old school.. I want quality for the money I use.. I will not pay any money for cartoon pictures and unfinished material..

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