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crazedventurers
Master of Realmslore
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Dark Wizard
Senior Scribe
USA
830 Posts |
 Posted - 19 Jan 2013 : 05:31:59
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Heard about this all over, blogs, forums, G+. If this turns out to what the name suggests, it's a good sign (or at least one good sign, a step in the right direction) because it shows WotC may not limit older edition downloads to their their site only and/or the files will not be in some proprietary format.
Most e-versions of RPGs are PDF, it's an accepted, standard format. DriveThru/RPGNow/OneShelf being an RPG ebook delivery hub, they know what they're doing in that regard and have far more experience in it than WotC themselves. Certainly WotC can and should develop their own webstore, but allowing for consumer preference for which site or ecology they wish to patron gives them the choice. If people have accounts already, it actually lowers the barrier to purchase as they don't have to sign up for another site, it's just click and buy. The more outlets or retailers, the more places to sell, the more eyeballs are on those books, the further they work into the recommendation algorithms.
If this becomes what it appears, it can be a real positive for Wizards. |
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Diffan
Great Reader
USA
4460 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jan 2013 : 06:37:01
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Dark Wizard
Senior Scribe
USA
830 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jan 2013 : 06:54:55
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36905 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jan 2013 : 15:52:30
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Originally posted by Dark Wizard
Rules are not the books I had in mind. Think setting supplements, regional books, adventures, maps, monsters, pictures.
Ditto. I've got the core books for 1E and 2E as pdfs, but the majority of my pdfs are setting specific sourcebooks. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31799 Posts |
Posted - 20 Jan 2013 : 02:51:44
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Dark Wizard
Rules are not the books I had in mind. Think setting supplements, regional books, adventures, maps, monsters, pictures.
Ditto. I've got the core books for 1E and 2E as pdfs, but the majority of my pdfs are setting specific sourcebooks.
If and when any TSR/Wizards PDFs become available through legal electronic means, I'll mainly be hunting for the lore-filled sourcebooks. Any rules-related tomes don't really interest me all that much, since I've already got the hardcover printed versions that have long since established the foundation for my own hodge-podge rules-set.
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36905 Posts |
Posted - 20 Jan 2013 : 05:41:24
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Dark Wizard
Rules are not the books I had in mind. Think setting supplements, regional books, adventures, maps, monsters, pictures.
Ditto. I've got the core books for 1E and 2E as pdfs, but the majority of my pdfs are setting specific sourcebooks.
If and when any TSR/Wizards PDFs become available through legal electronic means, I'll mainly be hunting for the lore-filled sourcebooks. Any rules-related tomes don't really interest me all that much, since I've already got the hardcover printed versions that have long since established the foundation for my own hodge-podge rules-set.
Well, a lot of the 2E rule books were on the Core Rules CD, but as RTF files. I simply flipped them to PDF, at some point. I got the 1E DMG as a pdf because there are some nifty tables in there for a lot of different things.
Other than that, most of what I bought was setting-specific sourcebooks. Lots of Spelljammer and FR stuff, and a little bit of scattered stuff from core or other settings. |
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Hawkins
Great Reader
USA
2131 Posts |
Posted - 21 Jan 2013 : 15:44:12
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| I know that DriveThruRPG now has print on demand. It would be nice if some of the out-of-print Realms stuff was available through it. Kind of like Monte Cook's Arcana Evolved. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31799 Posts |
Posted - 22 Jan 2013 : 01:21:11
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Originally posted by Hawkins
I know that DriveThruRPG now has print on demand. It would be nice if some of the out-of-print Realms stuff was available through it. Kind of like Monte Cook's Arcana Evolved.
Arcana Evolved is available as print-on-demand? That's awesome news! |
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Joebing
Learned Scribe
USA
202 Posts |
Posted - 22 Jan 2013 : 12:34:58
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Will WotC still be adapting these to be used with any edition? I mean, I already have everything through 2nd revised in pdf, what is not on my shelf for 3E/3.5E in pdf, and the beginnings of 4E, plus every Dungeon, Dragon, Imagine, and almost every Ployhedron in pdf. I would only be interested if they are still tooling with the idea of updates for different editions in the appendix.
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Thauramarth
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
732 Posts |
Posted - 22 Jan 2013 : 13:49:01
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From the good folks at DriveThruRPG
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Good Morning RPG Affiliates!
Have I got some big news for you...
Check out this article on Wired's GeekDad:
New Digital Archive Resurrects Classic Dungeons & Dragons Adventures
Which should handily lead you to our newest site: DnDClassics.com.
As an affiliate of DriveThruRPG, your account also works on the new site! We have a number of Affiliate Resources available, including banners to help you take part of this launch.
Be sure to let your readers know that their DriveThruRPG/RPGNow account also works on DnDClassics, so they can log in and scoop up some of their favorite D&D titles right away.
Customers who purchased D&D titles from us in the pst will be able to download the newly updated D&D PDFs for free in the My Library section of the My Account page as they are re-released by WotC.
There are over 80 titles available today and more on the way each month! So, go spread to word!
Regards,
Matt M McElroy
Well, folks, it's official: www.dndclassics.com is now up and running! Slogan: "Every Edition Available Again"!
Current offering is far from complete, but one dares to assume that the offering will expand... For Realms fans, there is on offering: the Forgotten Realms Adventures (hardcover, 2E), and the Grand History of the Realms. |
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Hawkins
Great Reader
USA
2131 Posts |
Posted - 22 Jan 2013 : 13:57:09
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Hawkins
I know that DriveThruRPG now has print on demand. It would be nice if some of the out-of-print Realms stuff was available through it. Kind of like Monte Cook's Arcana Evolved.
Arcana Evolved is available as print-on-demand? That's awesome news!
Lol. Evidently that is news that I should have shared a long time ago... |
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He went galumphing back. --Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking-Glass
"Mmm, not the darkness," Myrin murmured. "Don't cast it there." --Erik Scott de Bie, Shadowbane
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* Compendium Arcanum Volume 1: Cantrips & Orisons (PFRPG, designer; d20pfsrd.com Publishing)
* Compendium Arcanum Volume 2: 1st-Level Spells (PFRPG, designer; d20pfsrd.com Publishing)
* Martial Arts Guidebook (forthcoming) (PFRPG, designer; Rite Publishing)
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Jeremy Grenemyer
Great Reader
USA
2717 Posts |
Posted - 22 Jan 2013 : 16:32:13
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I wonder if dndclassics.com has crashed. I can't load the page.
...and that's a good thing.  |
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Darkmeer
Senior Scribe
USA
505 Posts |
Posted - 22 Jan 2013 : 16:53:23
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And It's here
Prices are $9.99 for the 2e stuff, and more is to be added. Makes me sad they're not $5.00 each anymore, but I'll take what I can get.
With this, the Purge is slowly being reversed, and I, for one, am quite glad that I'll be able to finish off my Realms/Planescape collections in the future! |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36905 Posts |
Posted - 22 Jan 2013 : 16:57:12
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Originally posted by Darkmeer
And It's here
Prices are $9.99 for the 2e stuff, and more is to be added. Makes me sad they're not $5.00 each anymore, but I'll take what I can get.
With this, the Purge is slowly being reversed, and I, for one, am quite glad that I'll be able to finish off my Realms/Planescape collections in the future!
It's not loading for me...
I'm unimpressed by that price. They were $4 or $5, previously.
Has anyone downloaded anything yet? What's the quality? Some of the previously available pdfs were of good quality, and you could copy/paste text from them. Others, the scans had not been OCR'ed and the quality was spotty, at best.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31799 Posts |
Posted - 23 Jan 2013 : 01:27:32
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Darkmeer
And It's here
Prices are $9.99 for the 2e stuff, and more is to be added. Makes me sad they're not $5.00 each anymore, but I'll take what I can get.
With this, the Purge is slowly being reversed, and I, for one, am quite glad that I'll be able to finish off my Realms/Planescape collections in the future!
It's not loading for me...
I'm unimpressed by that price. They were $4 or $5, previously.
It doesn't look like everything is so expansive, though. There are quite a number of $4.99 products from previous editions. So I'd expect prices for the 2e material will probably reduce as well.
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Has anyone downloaded anything yet? What's the quality? Some of the previously available pdfs were of good quality, and you could copy/paste text from them. Others, the scans had not been OCR'ed and the quality was spotty, at best.
I can add stuff to what I think is a "Shopping Cart," but I can't get any further than that. The page just stops loading. |
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Dark Wizard
Senior Scribe
USA
830 Posts |
Posted - 23 Jan 2013 : 03:29:38
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Took a few tries to log on, or stay logged on, but got through. Grabbed the free download offer B1 In Search of the Unknown module as a test run and it works fine.
There are maybe a few minor bugs to work out, but since they're using the RPGNow/DriveThruRPG design/format, more likely they're just busy. I'd bet it's just a '4Adventure' moment where demand far exceeded expectation. If that's true, it's a great sign.
I'm pleased the Historical Reference books are featured right at launch. They're some of my favorite books, even if only to dig through for inspiration. I never could track down a physical copy of the Crusades at a price I felt comfortable with. I might pick up the PDF when the fun budget has some spare funds.
The prices are on par for DriveThru/RPGNow barring a promotional offer, about $10 for a decent sized book from an established game company. Shorter products cost less from those other companies and we see the same trend with WotC/TSR products with about $5 for adventure modules. |
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Darkmeer
Senior Scribe
USA
505 Posts |
Posted - 23 Jan 2013 : 03:56:18
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| I like the HR books being featured at launch too (they were on my list before they were removed before). I saw it first thing this morning, and by the time I got back, it stopped loading really well if at all. I wanted to share as soon as I could, especially since I didn't want anyone to miss the chance to get them. |
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Lirdolin
Learned Scribe
Germany
198 Posts |
Posted - 23 Jan 2013 : 05:46:22
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Originally posted by The Sage
I can add stuff to what I think is a "Shopping Cart," but I can't get any further than that. The page just stops loading.
You can still try to buy the books via the regular drivethru site, until the dndclassics site is running smoothly. |
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Ayrik
Great Reader
Canada
7989 Posts |
Posted - 23 Jan 2013 : 06:19:07
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I wish they'd append something like "original publication: TSR 1989-1992" to each description, just for convenient reference.
Otherwise, I wholeheartedly applaud this fine venture. It is something I've long said would earn Wizbro large profit from small work while <gasp!> actually pleasing the impossibly stubborn old grognards.
The launch offering is a very odd collection of titles. Very odd, many obscure and unremarkable titles are present while significant ones are conspicuously absent. I wonder if they were chosen based on based sales performance, or just happened to be the best-easiest ones to scan and reprint.
I also wonder if errata and web enhancement content will be included in relevant titles. |
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Jeremy Grenemyer
Great Reader
USA
2717 Posts |
Posted - 23 Jan 2013 : 06:20:15
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Has anyone downloaded anything yet? What's the quality?
The quality of the free download (B1 In Search of the Unknown) is pretty good.
No smudges, blurs or off-center pages. That particular shade of blue they used back in the day for the dungeon maps looks correct and the cruddy artwork looks exactly as it should.
[Edit: Forgot to mention the cover pages--front and back--have no creases or obvious signs of wear. For older stuff like B1 that's pretty good, IMO.] |
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Ayrik
Great Reader
Canada
7989 Posts |
Posted - 23 Jan 2013 : 06:40:15
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Almost authentic Module Map Blue! Grognardia will be pleased.
And hidden digital watermarks. I am pleased. |
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Bakra
Senior Scribe
628 Posts |
Posted - 23 Jan 2013 : 14:15:23
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| The trivia provided by the Product History is a good selling point for me. Especially on the more obscure titles like Rahasia. |
I hope Candlekeep continues to be the friendly forum of fellow Realms-lovers that it has always been, as we all go through this together. If you don’t want to move to the “new” Realms, that doesn’t mean there’s anything wrong with either you or the “old” Realms. Goodness knows Candlekeep, and the hearts of its scribes, are both big enough to accommodate both. If we want them to be.
(Strikes dramatic pose, raises sword to gleam in the sunset, and hopes breeches won’t fall down.)
Enough for now. The Realms lives! I have spoken! Ale and light wines half price, served by a smiling Storm Silverhand fetchingly clad in thigh-high boots and naught else! Ahem . .
So saith Ed. <snip>
love to all,
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36905 Posts |
Posted - 23 Jan 2013 : 16:24:51
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Originally posted by Ayrik
I wish they'd append something like "original publication: TSR 1989-1992" to each description, just for convenient reference.
Otherwise, I wholeheartedly applaud this fine venture. It is something I've long said would earn Wizbro large profit from small work while <gasp!> actually pleasing the impossibly stubborn old grognards.
The launch offering is a very odd collection of titles. Very odd, many obscure and unremarkable titles are present while significant ones are conspicuously absent. I wonder if they were chosen based on based sales performance, or just happened to be the best-easiest ones to scan and reprint.
I also wonder if errata and web enhancement content will be included in relevant titles.
I was also noting the odd selection of titles... Most of those I've no interest in; some of them I already have, having paid $4 for them back when they were sold thru Paizo. |
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Ayrik
Great Reader
Canada
7989 Posts |
Posted - 23 Jan 2013 : 19:14:22
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| Yeah, a very haphazard collection. Although I'm sure that most (perhaps all) of the old titles will eventually become available, it'll take a little time because a lot of unseen work goes on behind the store front. The selection of freebies seems chosen with utmost care, it's a good guerilla advertising method, an open postern for sneaking a few diehard grogs onto the other side of the 4E product line. |
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Hawkins
Great Reader
USA
2131 Posts |
Posted - 23 Jan 2013 : 19:25:20
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| I logged into my DriveThruRPG account on dndclassics.com, and was able to locate my old purchase of the Kara-Tur campaign setting. It not tells me I can download it (it used to say something about the publisher removing it). Unfortunately, since there is no product listing for it on the site I still cannot download it. |
Errant d20 Designer - My Blog (last updated January 06, 2016)
One, two! One, two! And through and through
The vorpal blade went snicker-snack!
He left it dead, and with its head
He went galumphing back. --Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking-Glass
"Mmm, not the darkness," Myrin murmured. "Don't cast it there." --Erik Scott de Bie, Shadowbane
* My character sheets (PFRPG, 3.5, and AE versions; not viewable in Internet Explorer)
* Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Reference Document (PFRPG OGL Rules)
* The Hypertext d20 SRD (3.5 OGL Rules)
* 3.5 D&D Archives
My game design work:
* Heroes of the Jade Oath (PFRPG, conversion; Rite Publishing)
* Compendium Arcanum Volume 1: Cantrips & Orisons (PFRPG, designer; d20pfsrd.com Publishing)
* Compendium Arcanum Volume 2: 1st-Level Spells (PFRPG, designer; d20pfsrd.com Publishing)
* Martial Arts Guidebook (forthcoming) (PFRPG, designer; Rite Publishing)
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36905 Posts |
Posted - 23 Jan 2013 : 20:20:57
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Originally posted by Hawkins
I logged into my DriveThruRPG account on dndclassics.com, and was able to locate my old purchase of the Kara-Tur campaign setting. It not tells me I can download it (it used to say something about the publisher removing it). Unfortunately, since there is no product listing for it on the site I still cannot download it.
That brings up a good point... I believe drivethruRPG allows a limited number of downloads, and I know that once you buy something from Paizo, you have unlimited downloads. When WotC made their still-inscrutable decision to ban pdf sales, it over-rode the agreement those customers had with their customers. Will WotC's reversal on pdf sales enable those companies to once more allow people to download what they've already paid for? |
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Ayrik
Great Reader
Canada
7989 Posts |
Posted - 23 Jan 2013 : 21:13:12
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The webstats demonstrate that www.candlekeep.com is worth more than www.drivethrurpg.com. Booya!
The www.dndclassics.com and www.drivethrurpg.com domains are owned by Hasbro? Legal ownership is obfuscated through godaddy proxy registrations, so it's a bit hard to tell.
If this is indeed a Wizbro-controlled distribution of all legacy stuff then Paizo's position in this market would be seriously challenged. Paizo simply doesn't have a vast library of legacy titles to republish, at least nothing compared to what TSR/WotC can access. Creating new content costs time and money and people.
Or is it really just an extended one-shot revenue surge thing? Will all the grognards and collectors buy up the old-edition loose ends they want then let the rest languish, or will AD&D 2E stuff continue to sell indefinitely? I guess Wizbro is #winning once revenue generated from these sales exceeds startup costs, and once the product is all online it costs next to nothing to keep it online where it generates a little trickle of cash.
But will Wizbro allocate their designers/authors into creating new 2E/3E content if it turns out people are buying these games more than the 4E/5E stuff? I see a grand experiment in the works, along with a tricky line to walk - I'd really hate to see Wizbro stubbornly insist on somehow sullying classic canon with an attempt to "legitimize" the most unpopular elements of their newer canon.
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Please make a new scroll if interested in turning my statements into yet another angry canon-thumping 4E-RSE-Spellplague bash. This scroll is just about awesome new (old) pdfs! |
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Hawkins
Great Reader
USA
2131 Posts |
Posted - 23 Jan 2013 : 21:49:12
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| @Ayrik DriveThruRPG is owned by OneBookShelf, which is not a subsidiary of Hasbro. I am pretty sure that WotC is just working with DriveThruRPG/OneBookShelf as the distributor of the e-versions of their books rather than trying to create something from the ground up. Very similar to how most would buy their physical products from their FLGS. |
Errant d20 Designer - My Blog (last updated January 06, 2016)
One, two! One, two! And through and through
The vorpal blade went snicker-snack!
He left it dead, and with its head
He went galumphing back. --Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking-Glass
"Mmm, not the darkness," Myrin murmured. "Don't cast it there." --Erik Scott de Bie, Shadowbane
* My character sheets (PFRPG, 3.5, and AE versions; not viewable in Internet Explorer)
* Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Reference Document (PFRPG OGL Rules)
* The Hypertext d20 SRD (3.5 OGL Rules)
* 3.5 D&D Archives
My game design work:
* Heroes of the Jade Oath (PFRPG, conversion; Rite Publishing)
* Compendium Arcanum Volume 1: Cantrips & Orisons (PFRPG, designer; d20pfsrd.com Publishing)
* Compendium Arcanum Volume 2: 1st-Level Spells (PFRPG, designer; d20pfsrd.com Publishing)
* Martial Arts Guidebook (forthcoming) (PFRPG, designer; Rite Publishing)
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