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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
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 Posted - 23 Jan 2013 : 23:01:57
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Originally posted by CorellonsDevout
This makes me think of another thread I started on souls. I believe gods have souls, just as mortals do, and some (myself included) have speculated that souls are energy (I've actually read books on this). If that is true, then can you really destroy a soul, since it is energy? Maybe a "destroyed" god would have his/her energy dispersed throughout the Astral Sea, and because it is so widely spread, the god no longer exists in the fact it no longer has a consciousness. It's "godliness" was destroyed, its energy spread out too thinly. This would apply to mortals, too. In the afterlife, souls take humanoid form (at least in fantasy), and gods will take human forms too, forms mortals can understand, but the core, aren't we all energy, at least to an extent?
And since some "dead" gods are adrift in the Astral Sea, then the Astral Plane is kind of like an afterlife for the gods.
Energy can be transferred into another vessel and thereby a god could be "drained" into another god. |
Alavairthae, may your skill prevail
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CorellonsDevout
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 24 Jan 2013 : 01:33:06
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| Like a merging of sorts... |
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Ayrik
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 24 Jan 2013 : 06:02:35
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Not always a balanced merging.
Cyric was driven mad by too much godly power, yet seemed to regain some sanity after losing godly power. Azuth's essence was completely subsumed within Asmodeus, quite possibly beyond any escape or recovery. Tymora and Beshaba are not equal parts of a whole. Finder apparently hasn't expressed any of Moander's characteristics. |
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 24 Jan 2013 : 08:13:43
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And the giant worm that subsumed half of Samas Kul's body suffered from constipation thereafter. Oh, but I digress... |
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
USA
12087 Posts |
Posted - 25 Jan 2013 : 16:55:41
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Originally posted by Dennis
And the giant worm that subsumed half of Samas Kul's body suffered from constipation thereafter. Oh, but I digress...
And here I would have thought with all that fat it would have been explosive diarrhea. |
Alavairthae, may your skill prevail
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Mirtek
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 25 Jan 2013 : 22:57:16
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Originally posted by Xar Zarath
Not that its much of canon, but in Neverwinter 2 Mask of the Betrayer(MOTB) the god Myrkul was still alive, barely holding on. His consciousness and intellect were still there, and this was because according to some of character's words, as long as a few kept doubts,fears, and mere memory of him, he would always be "alive" like the embers of a fire.
Note that this was just one instance of him still existing. A second one, independent from the one met in NWN2, is existing at the same time in the Crown of Horns.
Dead Bane also continued to exist in different incarnations, each of them believing to be the only rest of the true Bane. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
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Posted - 26 Jan 2013 : 00:04:30
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I think those are like 'echoes' - not real deities, just 'wisps' of what once was.
I like the 'Embers from a fire' explanation. Its similar also to how Voldemort almost came back in the Chamber of Secrets (it was just a memory of him trying to achieve true life).
Picture a massive electrical surge happening in a town, and nearly all the circuitry gets 'fried'. Some things you touch might still make your hair raise up, others might hold enough of a charge to give you a nice zap, while still others (TV picture tubes are known for this) will hold enough of a charge to blow you across the room.
So the energy (of the god) might have gotten dispersed, but bits of it could still be clinging to things (especially things that were already associated with the deity, like a holy item or alter). |
"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone
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Brin
Acolyte
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Posted - 28 Apr 2013 : 19:23:03
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I am a HUGE fan of the deity interplay in the realms, and wouldn't want it to increase or decrease I think it's fine where it is. Granted I only read the novels though so I've read about the Tymora/Helm/Tyr thing on the wiki but not in the actual source book. As far as the novels go however I've only ever had a three complaints about the Gods. First is that during the Avatar series spoiler alert Mystra essentially commits suicide due to the stupidity of challenging Helm, I'd like to think she wouldn't have been that stupid. The second is that during the Avatar series Mask is portrayed as whiney and ineffective while Kemp during the Erevis Cale times portrayed Mask as a confident master-mind badass. And finally I don't remember it being mentioned in the Cale series that Mask was missing his leg, while in the Avatar series he could not regrow it, in fact he shapeshifted like a madman and each form was missing a leg.
I saw that Dark Wizard didn't like the more mechanical politics in the stars, but that's how they are. Avatar series gave a nice explanation for this: most of the Gods were created as Gods and those are unable to see beyond the perspective they were created to view. So Oghma can never think of anything except in terms of conservation of knowledge. This gives them a fixed view, but the Gods weren't meant to be changing. They're there to maintain the balance so Ao can be a lazy bum.
Also Cyric was crazy before he became a god and he became crazier because he read the Cyrinishad. |
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Gyor
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 28 Apr 2013 : 19:43:36
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In FR I think a God's portfolios are more then a job description, its apart of a God's essence so the only way to absolutely destroy a God would be to destroy all its Portifolios from existence. So for a God of War like Tempus you'd have to not only end all war, but eliminate the very idea of war from existence.
Also a God can die in one Sphere and survive in another. Inanna died in the realms, but continues to exist in in the Planescape setting. |
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Brin
Acolyte
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Posted - 28 Apr 2013 : 23:38:01
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| Moander was also killed in off on toril but remained alive on different planes as the deities can stretch across multiple planes of existence, arguably I am not even certain I would call it killing him as only a part of him it is more akin to cutting off his hand or some such. As far as gods being resurrected goes from what I've read when gods die their corpse remains like a mortal but it just floats around in the astral plane. Their corpses can be resurrected if enough juice is poured into them. Spoiler alert: in Finder's Bane some priestess of Bane steals the Finder Stone which is holding the bulk of Finder's divine power, the intent behind this was to take that power to the astral sea (which they did), find Bane's body (which they did), and resurrect him. |
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Ayrik
Great Reader
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Posted - 30 Apr 2013 : 23:23:36
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| FR fiction has demonstrated several times that the Faerūnian powers are not always constrained by the "normal" definitions and rules which apply to deities. Generic D&D lore and 2E Planescape lore is sometimes disregarded entirely. Each deity is basically treated as a unique entity within a unique circumstance designed to fuel some portion of the larger plot which characters move through. Mask, Cyric, Mystra, Mystra, Mystra, Karsus, Moander, etc ... the only thing they really have in common is that each is an exception to the rule. |
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Mask is Alive?!?!
