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Dennis
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 Posted - 08 Jan 2013 : 11:09:04
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The Japanese found one, and named it Architeuthis. Okay, so krakens are way bigger, but Architeuthis is surely not small either.
What other gigantic "mythical" creatures would be discovered in the future? Maybe a dragon actually sleeps in one of the mountains in China.
Mod edit: Edited to remove offensive term.
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Lord Bane
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Posted - 08 Jan 2013 : 12:00:21
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| Of course the "Kraken" was copied from the species of Architeuthis, when you look at the design done by WotC you clearly see it and the "legends" people talk of are encounters with such creatures. Mind you, they typically live in deeper water and their natural enemy is the pot whale who sees them as food. |
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Ayrik
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Posted - 08 Jan 2013 : 13:36:12
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 08 Jan 2013 : 15:30:39
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First, your OP is rather un-PC.
Second, this info has been around for quite Awhile. They've discovered much more amazing things like the Prehistoric Shark and the Mimic Octopus. There are also the offshoots of humanity/sapiens known as 'hobbits' (Homo floresiensis) and Gigantopithecus.
ALL folklore is rooted in fact. We know far less about our own planet and history then we think. They discover new species everyday, including ones thought extinct for millions of years (like the Coelacanth). Giant squids are old news.  |
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Kilvan
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Canada
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Posted - 08 Jan 2013 : 16:33:05
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Not really on topic, but I'm pretty sure "Japs" is an ethnic slur.
As for the squid, that's pretty cool. |
Edited by - Kilvan on 08 Jan 2013 16:47:17 |
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Thieran
Learned Scribe
Germany
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Posted - 08 Jan 2013 : 17:34:13
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Chosen of Asmodeus
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 08 Jan 2013 : 19:35:18
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Originally posted by Kilvan
Not really on topic, but I'm pretty sure "Japs" is an ethnic slur.
As for the squid, that's pretty cool.
It can be used as an ethnic slur when combined with hostile intent, but it's occasionally used as simple shorthand for Japanese. |
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Arcanus
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Posted - 08 Jan 2013 : 20:01:07
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Originally posted by Kilvan
Not really on topic, but I'm pretty sure "Japs" is an ethnic slur.
As for the squid, that's pretty cool.
Would you consider the term Brits as a slur? How about Aussie? They are used by millions of people every day and no one complains.
The world is PC mad! |
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Artemas Entreri
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Posted - 08 Jan 2013 : 20:42:13
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Originally posted by Arcanus
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Originally posted by Kilvan
Not really on topic, but I'm pretty sure "Japs" is an ethnic slur.
As for the squid, that's pretty cool.
Would you consider the term Brits as a slur? How about Aussie? They are used by millions of people every day and no one complains.
The world is PC mad!
Does anyone use "Brits" or "Aussies" as a derogatory comment? |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 08 Jan 2013 : 20:45:06
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As I understand it, with the advent of World War II, that became an derogatory term, and that it is considered offensive to those of Japanese descent.
I'm sure Dennis intended no offense, and I've changed the word in his post. Perhaps we can move on, from this point. |
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Alystra Illianniis
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BEAST
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 08 Jan 2013 : 23:48:08
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There is also the <mesonychoteuthis, or colossal squid>. Whereas the giant only has suckers and teeth on its tentacles, the colossal's tentacles bear suckers, teeth, and meathooks!  
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Beaks found inside sperm whale stomachs suggest that colossals might grow much, much larger than giants...
Both are troublesome to measure in size, because their bodies are so soft and stretchy. When brought aboard ship, their long tentacles have a tendency to curl up and tangle. When fishermen/scientists pull on the tentacles to straighten them, that affects the measurement process. Who wouldn't be tempted to pull just a little harder on the tentacles of a specimen in order to claim having found the longest squid on record? And then when they bring the specimens back to the lab, the durn things shrivel up and shrink on them!
The Humboldt is particularly cool because it is aggressive, and it glows in red pulses when hunting prey.  |
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Arcanus
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 08 Jan 2013 : 23:58:57
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 09 Jan 2013 : 00:52:05
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quote:
Originally posted by Arcanus
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Originally posted by Kilvan
Not really on topic, but I'm pretty sure "Japs" is an ethnic slur.
As for the squid, that's pretty cool.
Would you consider the term Brits as a slur? How about Aussie? They are used by millions of people every day and no one complains.
The world is PC mad!
Just because you've not heard of complaints... doesn't necessarily mean there haven't been any. And while "Aussie" isn't usually regarded as a slur, it can be considered "uncomfortable/inappropriate" in some sections of the community -- especially those which relate heavily with our indigenous population. |
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Old Man Harpell
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Posted - 09 Jan 2013 : 02:56:15
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Originally posted by Arcanus
So much for freedom of speech.
Eh, not really. I am insanely, violently allergic to PC (as well as being a militant First Amendment sort), but that's a contraction I wouldn't use (though I am of the opinion that it was just being used as quick shorthand). I'm part 'Native American', but I consider that term to be both PC and infantile - I prefer 'Amerind' (not PC, apparently) or the Canadian 'First Nations' (something which American-based tribal councils don't use). YMMV.
Regardless, back on topic, let's all admit that the ones we want to see are the plesiosaurs from either Loch Ness or Okanagan Lake ('Ogopogo'). Don't even say Bigfoot - I live in Bigfoot country, and unless you play Shadowrun, Bigfoot is sorely lacking in proof of existence. After you've seen footage of some smartaleck with fake wooden Bigfoot-feet making prints in the dirt in the lower Cascades, it's really difficult to muster any sort of belief. |
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Ayrik
Great Reader
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Posted - 09 Jan 2013 : 03:14:11
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| I begin to wonder if intelligent kraken in the Realms are offended by people calling them squids. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 09 Jan 2013 : 08:32:38
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I think if you were to look in my neighbour's windows you'd see a tribe of ogres.
One of the organizations we dealt with had a fossilized illithid brain. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 09 Jan 2013 : 08:36:12
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Originally posted by Kilvan
Not really on topic, but I'm pretty sure "Japs" is an ethnic slur.
When you use it derogatorily, yes. And I didn't. For the record, our organization has Japanese associates, and my father and I are wont to call them 'Japs' and they're fine with it, as we're fine being called 'Pinoys.' |
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Dennis
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Posted - 09 Jan 2013 : 08:44:31
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Originally posted by Ayrik
I begin to wonder if intelligent kraken in the Realms are offended by people calling them squids.
Perhaps. But if bigger, superior creatures call them that, I doubt they'd complain. |
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Firestorm
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Posted - 09 Jan 2013 : 10:03:02
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quote:
Originally posted by Kilvan
Not really on topic, but I'm pretty sure "Japs" is an ethnic slur.
As for the squid, that's pretty cool.
As a half jap, ill tell you neither I nor my father consider that an ethnic slur. Now I guess it depends on the context of how the person is saying it as well.
There are words for us which are undeniably offensive but that is not one I think of. And I kinda grew up in a racist environment where a lot of people were out to get me :p |
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Thauranil
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 09 Jan 2013 : 11:17:12
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Originally posted by Dennis
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Originally posted by Ayrik
I begin to wonder if intelligent kraken in the Realms are offended by people calling them squids.
Perhaps. But if bigger, superior creatures call them that, I doubt they'd complain.
What could possibly be bigger than a kraken!
And I doubt they would ever acknowledge anything else as superior. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 09 Jan 2013 : 12:09:41
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Originally posted by Thauranil
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Originally posted by Dennis
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Originally posted by Ayrik
I begin to wonder if intelligent kraken in the Realms are offended by people calling them squids.
Perhaps. But if bigger, superior creatures call them that, I doubt they'd complain.
What could possibly be bigger than a kraken!
Telamont's ego. Duh.
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Originally posted by Thauranil
And I doubt they would ever acknowledge anything else as superior.
Not willingly, maybe. But if they're controlled by one [like what Rivalen did to Ssessimyth], they really have no choice. |
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Kilvan
Senior Scribe
Canada
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Posted - 09 Jan 2013 : 12:24:13
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| I didn't want to start a PC war over this, or play moderator. I just wanted to point out that while it seems like a simple abbreviation, it actually has an history as a derogatory term since the second world war. When possible, it is best to refer to them as another term, but you are all free to do as you please. The more you know, right? |
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Thauranil
Master of Realmslore
India
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Posted - 09 Jan 2013 : 12:42:44
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@Dennis
Good point  .
If you get thrashed in a fight you have to acknowledge the superior strength of your opponent. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 09 Jan 2013 : 12:52:40
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@Dennis Good point . If you get thrashed in a fight you have to acknowledge the superior strength of your opponent.
A lesson that Manshoon should have learned long, long ago. |
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Alystra Illianniis
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Thauranil
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Posted - 10 Jan 2013 : 10:48:40
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Plus Manshoon's ego makes Telemont look humble.
He would never acknowledge anyone as his superior, they are just luckier or more favoured by Mystra or whatever is the excuse of the day. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 10 Jan 2013 : 11:14:10
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Ah. I forgot about that. Yes, you're right, of course. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 10 Jan 2013 : 13:11:11
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So this is proof that dragons exist. But did they get as big as the ones portrayed in legends?
Why is gargantuan size often associated with with angry, violent beasts, when Earth's biggest animal (bigger than Argentinosaurus) is non-aggressive? |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 10 Jan 2013 : 14:08:26
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Originally posted by Dennis
So this is proof that dragons exist. But did they get as big as the ones portrayed in legends?
Why is gargantuan size often associated with with angry, violent beasts, when Earth's biggest animal (bigger than Argentinosaurus) is non-aggressive?
I wouldn't call a dinosaur that had horns proof that dragons existed. That's like North Korea's proof that unicorns exist. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 10 Jan 2013 : 14:26:44
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Proof might be too strong a word. It's possible that ancient Chinese found same fossils of that dinosaur and started fabricating the legends about dragons. |
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