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xaeyruudh
Master of Realmslore
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 Posted - 31 Dec 2012 : 23:34:16
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For those who weren't watching the Ask Ed thread recently, Bachlacis is a town named in passing in FR16, the 2e Shining South book. Lastarr is given a little more detail, and shows up on a few maps whereas Bachlacis is (afaik) not mentioned anywhere else.
Markus mentioned there being an errata (to FR16 I assume?) in which Lastarr's location is corrected.
Looking at my copy of FR16, the original paper Atlas, the Interactive Atlas, and The Horde/1055 map... the location of Lastarr is consistent.
So, Sir Markus-who-does-not-answer-PMs  ...where is the second location of Lastarr, which you plan to use for Bachlacis? 
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 01 Jan 2013 : 01:47:23
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I tried the L-List, and then the erratas here at the keep - I can't recall where I got my original information, and those weren't very helpful. Let me look into it a bit more.
{Markustay goes on a headache-inducing search of everything applicable}
Man... that took me a long time... if you read the description of the setup for the Dark is Dark adventure in the original Shining South product (pg.88) you will see it as described IN Durpar, just across the border from Veldorn. However, no part of Durpar extends south of the mountains.
Looking at at all the placements for it on various maps, and reading the errata very carefully I have just decided that Lastarr should go where it always went, and the town I named Lastarr - the one from the adventure - should be something else. That means the description in the adventure text (which I was trying to follow) is the incorrect one.
That means, referencing this map of mine, Lastarr should go where Rastaal is, and Lastarr can become Bachlais (although I don't really need a town there at all, now that I figured out the text was wrong). This area laways confused the heck out of me - Durpar seems to be spread all over the place. I would have preferred it just stay north of the Golden Waters.
EDIT: And re-reading this post just made me realize it should have been a city all along, not a town (population 10,000)! |
"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone
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xaeyruudh
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 01 Jan 2013 : 06:59:21
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Sorry about the headache... but at least I have one now too. I didn't even realize there was an errata for FR16 here at the keep.
I agree about Lastarr being where you have Rastaal, and the adventure being a little misleading in the geography department.
For the placement of Bachlacis, I was thinking something more like north of Heldapan (on your map) or Adama's Tooth (on the 2e maps). This would help to explain why it goes unmentioned anywhere except the list of 31; it's a tiny backwater town, utterly unknown outside Durpar and frequently overlooked even by Durparian mapmakers and watchers-of-fortunes. It just happens to be the place where the Rawnpore family resided when it made some discovery or something that raised it out of obscurity. Undoubtedly the Rawnpore chaka now owns as much of the town as they want to, but they would be a *quiet* family, conducting their business in the markets of the larger cities (never in Bachlacis itself) through proxies and never becoming a "household name" even some of its agents are. Unlike most of the other chakas, they chose to retain their obscurity rather than proudly jumping into the limelight and becoming obvious "movers and shakers" in the politics of the Shining Lands. For some reason, which needs development in any campaign that's going to use them because it should be something important... they chose to remain as invisible as possible. And to enable that to happen, imo, Bachlacis needs to be located as far off-the-beaten-path as possible.
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 01 Jan 2013 : 16:52:53
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Lastarr is also considered an 'unaffiliated' town/city. Durpar considers it theirs, Etsagund feels the same way. The people of Lastarr just pay both lip-service. I have a feeling that most of that region feels similar - the rulership is pretty lax, and ever city/town is responsible for its own taxes and agenda. So its very similar to the Vast, or even The Great Dale, except they actually do claim to have a 'national Government' (when it suits them to do so).
I have barely begun to work on this area on my master map, but I can tell you for certain many places are going to get shifted around (from my previous maps). Even though I (and most folk) like where I put the Desert of Desolation, it doesn't really conform to canon, and that bit in the errata even confirms it. The DoD will be moving to the left side of the Raurin (where it belonged all along). I will try to split the difference of where Lastarr is placed on maps, and where it is described in-text so that everything works out.
I will try to see if I can get Bachlacis to fit where you say - there are a couple of other towns that go in that spot (from the short story Vision - it seems to be a region settled by many halflings. I am looking at that story now, and sadly, it doesn't appear that the villages are named. |
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Bachlacis and Lastarr
