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topkerrigun
Acolyte
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 Posted - 01 Oct 2012 : 00:10:55
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Hi. I'm not person experienced with dnd/forgotten realms, but quite recently I picked up a book called Homeland.
It was an incredible book, and so I read the rest of the series. It was pretty easy to figure out what book came after each one, I've read the Dark Elf Trilogy, Icewind Dale trilogy, Legacy of the Drow trilogy, Path's of darkness quadrilogy, and finally, the hunters blades trilogy.
Now though I am confused. What book comes next? So far in this series I have followed a very linear adventure, one that mostly has to do with Drizzt and his companions. Now I am confused, and I need someone experienced to direct me to my next book.
Where does the story continue? Have I missed anything?
I want to read the rest of the Drizzt story, as well as anything that has to do with Dark Elf's.
I love dark elves. That is why I loved the first 3 books so much...man I loved those three books. The rest of the series wasn't quite as cool(mostly I grew bored reading pages and pages about Dwarfs...screw dwarfs- yawn), but I had to finish the rest because sometimes there were dark elves, and because I actually care about Drizzt a lot. I digress, I guess this first post also helps serve as a "hello" to all of you in this community :D
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Captain Grafalcon
Learned Scribe
Brazil
131 Posts |
Posted - 01 Oct 2012 : 01:09:35
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Hello!
If you want to continue the Drizzt´s saga, the Transitions Trilogy are the next books you should read. However, there are other stories involving drow, like the War of the Spider Queen saga. There is another famous drow in the Realms, Liriel Baenre, created by Elaine Cunningham. |
"Surely you recognize that armies carrying banners are almost always thieves—until they win."
Jarlaxle, mercenary leader of Bregan D'aerthe. |
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topkerrigun
Acolyte
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Posted - 01 Oct 2012 : 01:12:56
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Originally posted by Gavinho
Hello!
If you want to continue the Drizzt´s saga, the Transitions Trilogy are the next books you should read. However, there are other stories involving drow, like the War of the Spider Queen saga. There is another famous drow in the Realms, Liriel Baenre, created by Elaine Cunningham.
Thanks! My "i need to read!" itch can finally get scratched with quality content! I am curious about your quote. Unless it spoils something, I would like to know why his last name is Baenre... I thought he was a freelancer of sorts in the Drow community? A man nobody could touch, since all depend on him one way or another? |
Edited by - topkerrigun on 01 Oct 2012 01:17:17 |
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Captain Grafalcon
Learned Scribe
Brazil
131 Posts |
Posted - 01 Oct 2012 : 01:27:30
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| I don´t want to spoil... but you will read a lot about this misterious character, undoubtedly one of best characters in the Realms. Another excellent trilogy to read is The Sellswords, featuring more of Entreri/Jarlaxle partnership. |
"Surely you recognize that armies carrying banners are almost always thieves—until they win."
Jarlaxle, mercenary leader of Bregan D'aerthe. |
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topkerrigun
Acolyte
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Posted - 01 Oct 2012 : 01:30:21
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Originally posted by Gavinho
I don´t want to spoil... but you will read a lot about this misterious character, undoubtedly one of best characters in the Realms. Another excellent trilogy to read is The Sellswords, featuring more of Entreri/Jarlaxle partnership.
I want to read it all! Just in a chronological order...I have already begun looking into ordering The Orc King on amazon :)
( i live in a place where decent libraries don't exist =( |
Edited by - topkerrigun on 01 Oct 2012 01:32:08 |
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Captain Grafalcon
Learned Scribe
Brazil
131 Posts |
Posted - 01 Oct 2012 : 01:37:32
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1)The dark elf trilogy
2)Icewind dale trilogy
3)Legacy of the drow saga
4)Path of darkness saga / The Sellswords trilogy (they share a book in common,"Servant of the Shard")
5)The Hunter´s Blade trilogy
6)Transitions Trilogy
7) The Neverwinter trilogy
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"Surely you recognize that armies carrying banners are almost always thieves—until they win."
Jarlaxle, mercenary leader of Bregan D'aerthe. |
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Yoss
Learned Scribe
USA
259 Posts |
Posted - 01 Oct 2012 : 08:59:07
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| It would have been nice if they had left the Jarlaxle surname off the backs of books and official blurbs online and stuff. It wasn't a terrible game-breaking (errrr...book-breaking I guess in this case?) spoiler or anything, but it still irritated me. |
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BEAST
Master of Realmslore
USA
1714 Posts |
Posted - 01 Oct 2012 : 11:47:08
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"Screw dwarves"?! Oh, no, you didn't!  
Click the link in my signature for my chronology of Salvatore's Realms works. The dark green-colored works involve Drizzt and his closest Companions. The brown ones deal with Entreri and Jarlaxle's adventures and a realm known as the Bloodstone Lands. The lime green covers "The Cleric Quintet", which started out as an unrelated tale but was eventually merged with the Drizzt Saga. The purple stories are the "War of the Spider Queen" series.
Drizzt turned his back on his drow heritage and nature and embraced the way of the ranger in Sojourn, so he rarely "goes there" for the rest of his life. He appears poised to deal with the drow once again (in the next novel, The Last Threshold), but he's been much more interlaced into dwarven and human cultures for the majority of his life.
But if you want drow-drow-drow, consider Elaine Cunningham's "Starlight and Shadows" series, starring one Liriel Baenre; "WOTSQ", which focuses on Menzoberranzan once again; or "The Lady Penitent Trilogy". There was also a recent Realms lorebook, Menzoberranzan: City of Intrigue, which summarizes all of the above and updates everything. And there is an ongoing "Rise of the Underdark" meta-campaign promotional event going on by WOTC, which means various drow-related projects are currently in the works.
Lastly, as a mercenary-par-none, Jarlaxle has worked for many different matron mothers and their houses, so he has probably assumed many different surnames over the centuries. The exact reason why he has been cited with the Baenre name is explained in the books of "The Sellswords" mini-series. It's already been a minor spoiler just to post that, here, but it probably can't be helped, since WOTC has decided to go really public with it on book covers and web articles and what-not. Since the rationale was first explained over a decade ago, it's kinda one of those unavoidable spoilers, anyway. |
"'You don't know my history,' he said dryly."
--Drizzt Do'Urden (The Pirate King, Part 1: Chapter 2)
<"Comprehensive Chronology of R.A. Salvatore Forgotten Realms Works"> |
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Yoss
Learned Scribe
USA
259 Posts |
Posted - 01 Oct 2012 : 14:59:25
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| I don't see how the amount of time that has elapsed between publication and now is really relavent in this case. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 01 Oct 2012 : 17:03:28
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I'm reading the last book of Transistions now, and while I have my usual quibbles with the book, over-all its the same quality as most of RAS's other novels.
I took a few years between the 2nd book and 3rd book because I didn't really care for the last one too much. Nothing to do with writing-quality; it was more along the lines of me just not caring about the subject matter (or perhaps, not caring for what happened to it).
Regardless, if you like Drizzt stories, you will love the Transitions series. Its a lot more straight-forward then the Sellswords series, which I really didn't care for (it tried to do too much, and accomplished very little). |
"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone
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BEAST
Master of Realmslore
USA
1714 Posts |
Posted - 01 Oct 2012 : 21:15:45
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Originally posted by Yoss
I don't see how the amount of time that has elapsed between publication and now is really relavent in this case.
So does that mean we shouldn't discuss anything about any Drizzt book, ever (going all the way back to The Crystal Shard and Homeland), for fear of spoiling something for someone? How about any Realms work by any author, whatsoever? Any discussion potentially spoils something for somebody.
Psst! Drizzt's last name is Do'Urden. And he likes to fight with dual scimitars. Just sayin'. 
Look, deep down, I agree with you, to a degree: it irks me that WOTC splashes it across covers and ad copy. And there are entirely too many characters in the latest books who know, to my liking. Jarlaxle should have some mystery about him! Heck, the name Jarlaxle should be enough for 99.99% of people.
But at the end of the day, how much of a spoiler is it, even, really? This uber-charismatic, uber-manipulative, uber-powerful drow comes from the highest drow family of Menzoberranzan. Is that really all that shocking or surprising? Are you really all that disappointed to learn that? |
"'You don't know my history,' he said dryly."
--Drizzt Do'Urden (The Pirate King, Part 1: Chapter 2)
<"Comprehensive Chronology of R.A. Salvatore Forgotten Realms Works"> |
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Clad In Shadows
Learned Scribe
Canada
158 Posts |
Posted - 01 Oct 2012 : 23:14:45
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| Definitely read The Sellswords first (or rather, the final two books, if you haven't read Servant of the Shard yet). It was written before Transitions. And there are a few things in the latter series that are made clearer if you read the former. |
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nilcalion
Acolyte
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Posted - 01 Oct 2012 : 23:33:34
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This is also my first post, so hello everyone!
Not long ago I made a little guide to a friend who wanted to start reading Drizzt and other Realms novels and I posted it on reddit as well with some explanations.
Here it is: http://www.reddit.com/r/RASalvatore/comments/phwje/guide_to_the_drizzt_series_and_other_related/
As I explained in that post, I included stuff that are very remotely connected to Drizzt's story, like The Haunted Lands trilogy, which is there because when I started reading Gauntlgrym I realized that I don't know what a Dread Ring is or who Szass Tam really is (I know, I know...), so I read The Haunted Lands too.
Please feel free to point out any mistakes that I've made, this is supposed to be a work in progress, and also recommend other stuff that could be put in the list (guess I should put in Paul Kemp's novels, since I also started reading them because of the Shadovar that are present in Gauntlgrym)
PS: I believe that Jarlaxle's heritage is first mentioned at the end of Servant of the Shard, so topkerrigun should already know about that one. |
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Captain Grafalcon
Learned Scribe
Brazil
131 Posts |
Posted - 02 Oct 2012 : 02:15:57
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Unfortunately, almost every scroll here has potencial to spoil something for someone. A few minutes ago,I read something that happens in the end of Charon´s Claw novel, and I´m still in the first chapters!That´s nobody´s fault, each one read the novels in a different order. |
"Surely you recognize that armies carrying banners are almost always thieves—until they win."
Jarlaxle, mercenary leader of Bregan D'aerthe. |
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topkerrigun
Acolyte
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Posted - 02 Oct 2012 : 06:41:46
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Hey guys, I am not complaining about a spoiler, its ok. This kinda small thing just makes you eager to read how it came about...its not like when everybody knew dumbledore died before they had even touched the book, now that was a spoiler you really couldn't avoid.
I just finished reading the first Transitions novel, a certain drow and a certain female person really need to do make a certain thing where you get babies <3
Book was really good though.
Thank you all, you have been very helpful, despite my dislike for the hargluk iblith.
It's not that I hate them, its just that they are inferior. I pity them really.
Hello to the other new guy as well!
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Yoss
Learned Scribe
USA
259 Posts |
Posted - 02 Oct 2012 : 16:38:02
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Originally posted by BEAST
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Originally posted by Yoss
I don't see how the amount of time that has elapsed between publication and now is really relavent in this case.
So does that mean we shouldn't discuss anything about any Drizzt book, ever (going all the way back to The Crystal Shard and Homeland), for fear of spoiling something for someone? How about any Realms work by any author, whatsoever? Any discussion potentially spoils something for somebody.
Psst! Drizzt's last name is Do'Urden. And he likes to fight with dual scimitars. Just sayin'.
Look, deep down, I agree with you, to a degree: it irks me that WOTC splashes it across covers and ad copy. And there are entirely too many characters in the latest books who know, to my liking. Jarlaxle should have some mystery about him! Heck, the name Jarlaxle should be enough for 99.99% of people.
But at the end of the day, how much of a spoiler is it, even, really? This uber-charismatic, uber-manipulative, uber-powerful drow comes from the highest drow family of Menzoberranzan. Is that really all that shocking or surprising? Are you really all that disappointed to learn that?
1. I never said discussions couldn't take place. Discussions are easily avoided if people are looking to stay away from spoilers. Don't want to know what happens in [insert book by any author ever here]? Don't go to forums and click threads titled [name of that book]. What I'm saying is its ridiculous when publishers put what are essentially spoilers on the back of that book. This one constitutes as a spoiler for that particular book, being something revealed in that book itself, which is probably why I wouldn't mind it if it was on the back of a later book.
2. And I also believe I said this particular spoiler wasn't exactly novel-ruining already. So you can drop the hyperbole. |
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BEAST
Master of Realmslore
USA
1714 Posts |
Posted - 03 Oct 2012 : 07:36:28
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Originally posted by Yoss
1. I never said discussions couldn't take place. Discussions are easily avoided if people are looking to stay away from spoilers. Don't want to know what happens in [insert book by any author ever here]? Don't go to forums and click threads titled [name of that book]. What I'm saying is its ridiculous when publishers put what are essentially spoilers on the back of that book. This one constitutes as a spoiler for that particular book, being something revealed in that book itself, which is probably why I wouldn't mind it if it was on the back of a later book.
Couldn't you just avoid reading the back cover copy, then, as well? I can't find any images of the back cover copy for SOTS online, and I am deliberately seeking it out. It seems like it should be easy to avoid, then.
Your choosing to turn the book over sounds a lot like choosing to open a book discussion scroll, to me. Either way, it's your choice, and not the publisher's fault.
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2. And I also believe I said this particular spoiler wasn't exactly novel-ruining already. So you can drop the hyperbole.
What hyperbole? You are the one who said that the time duration since publication isn't irrelevant. So I'm trying to feel out where your limits are on that whopper of a statement. How far back can one go before you deem it OK to reveal something about a book in the Realms? If time elapsed is irrelevant, then that would, indeed, seem to make my examples just as off-limits as Jarlaxle's surname. That effectively bars all back cover copy for the publisher.'Twould appear to bar all front cover art, too. Maybe titles would become off-limits, as well, unless they were deliberately misleading and/or vapid nonsense.
Would an edition of The Crystal Shard be wrong for revealing Drizzt's last name? Where do you draw the line? |
"'You don't know my history,' he said dryly."
--Drizzt Do'Urden (The Pirate King, Part 1: Chapter 2)
<"Comprehensive Chronology of R.A. Salvatore Forgotten Realms Works"> |
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Tanthalas
Senior Scribe
Portugal
508 Posts |
Posted - 03 Oct 2012 : 11:59:20
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Originally posted by BEAST
Your choosing to turn the book over sounds a lot like choosing to open a book discussion scroll, to me. Either way, it's your choice, and not the publisher's fault.
I really don't think this is a valid argument. The backcover of books is intended to give readers a glimpse of the story and are meant to be read before reading the actual book. It shouldn't have major spoilers. |
Sir Markham pointed out, drinking another brandy. "A chap who can point at you and say 'die' has the distinct advantage". |
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Yoss
Learned Scribe
USA
259 Posts |
Posted - 03 Oct 2012 : 13:10:55
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Originally posted by BEAST
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Originally posted by Yoss
1. I never said discussions couldn't take place. Discussions are easily avoided if people are looking to stay away from spoilers. Don't want to know what happens in [insert book by any author ever here]? Don't go to forums and click threads titled [name of that book]. What I'm saying is its ridiculous when publishers put what are essentially spoilers on the back of that book. This one constitutes as a spoiler for that particular book, being something revealed in that book itself, which is probably why I wouldn't mind it if it was on the back of a later book.
Couldn't you just avoid reading the back cover copy, then, as well? I can't find any images of the back cover copy for SOTS online, and I am deliberately seeking it out. It seems like it should be easy to avoid, then.
Your choosing to turn the book over sounds a lot like choosing to open a book discussion scroll, to me. Either way, it's your choice, and not the publisher's fault.
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2. And I also believe I said this particular spoiler wasn't exactly novel-ruining already. So you can drop the hyperbole.
What hyperbole? You are the one who said that the time duration since publication isn't irrelevant. So I'm trying to feel out where your limits are on that whopper of a statement. How far back can one go before you deem it OK to reveal something about a book in the Realms? If time elapsed is irrelevant, then that would, indeed, seem to make my examples just as off-limits as Jarlaxle's surname. That effectively bars all back cover copy for the publisher.'Twould appear to bar all front cover art, too. Maybe titles would become off-limits, as well, unless they were deliberately misleading and/or vapid nonsense.
Would an edition of The Crystal Shard be wrong for revealing Drizzt's last name? Where do you draw the line?
Ok, I can't debate this any more with you since you're either not reading what I'm saying or chronically misunderstanding me. |
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topkerrigun
Acolyte
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Posted - 04 Oct 2012 : 05:18:28
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Reading second transitions book right now, the pirate king...
Its kinda boring to be honest...The premise just seems to incredibly "meh" just another day in the Forgotten Realms.
Book isn't about chasing a kidnapped friend, discovering who you are/where your place is/seeking acceptance, niether it is about saving the world.
Its just boring ass politics between a couple of pirates and wizards.
Now that kinda premise wouldn't be boring, if THOSE were the main characters in a different book, in a different story.
Really doesn't seem to work atm, but i'm only a little more then halfway through so hopefully the climax will make up for it |
Edited by - topkerrigun on 04 Oct 2012 05:22:43 |
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BEAST
Master of Realmslore
USA
1714 Posts |
Posted - 04 Oct 2012 : 06:59:10
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Originally posted by Tanthalas
I really don't think this is a valid argument. The backcover of books is intended to give readers a glimpse of the story and are meant to be read before reading the actual book. It shouldn't have major spoilers.
Yoss just said that it's easy to avoid book discussions, so spoilers there are immaterial.
Well, since it's just as easy to avoid book back cover copy, then wouldn't the spoilers there be just as immaterial? I mean, if ease of avoidance is the standard.
Or is there some other standard? Here, you're suggesting that book covers simply shouldn't reveal certain stuff (apparently regardless of ease of avoidance).
So what constitutes a major spoiler? If Jar's last name is such, then wouldn't Drizzt's likewise be? I'm just trying to get at some consistency, here. |
"'You don't know my history,' he said dryly."
--Drizzt Do'Urden (The Pirate King, Part 1: Chapter 2)
<"Comprehensive Chronology of R.A. Salvatore Forgotten Realms Works"> |
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BEAST
Master of Realmslore
USA
1714 Posts |
Posted - 04 Oct 2012 : 07:11:00
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Originally posted by Yoss
Ok, I can't debate this any more with you since you're either not reading what I'm saying or chronically misunderstanding me.
Well, I'm definitely reading what you've said.
But apparently I'm misunderstanding what you're saying because it doesn't make sense.
You said you were irritated. So did I.
You said it was a minor spoiler. So did I.
But then you said time since publication isn't relevant here. That's why I asked you to explain, giving other examples. You didn't do so, and so I don't understand you.
You said that book discussion spoilers don't matter because discussions can be easily avoided. But then, I pointed out that book cover copy can be avoided easily too, so wouldnt' that make copy spoilers irrelevant, too? You didn't answer that point, and so I don't understand you.
Instead, you accuse me of hyperbole, refuse to explain yourself, and then leave. And so, I don't understand you. |
"'You don't know my history,' he said dryly."
--Drizzt Do'Urden (The Pirate King, Part 1: Chapter 2)
<"Comprehensive Chronology of R.A. Salvatore Forgotten Realms Works"> |
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Captain Grafalcon
Learned Scribe
Brazil
131 Posts |
Posted - 04 Oct 2012 : 18:29:36
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Originally posted by topkerrigun
Reading second transitions book right now, the pirate king...
Its kinda boring to be honest...The premise just seems to incredibly "meh" just another day in the Forgotten Realms.
Book isn't about chasing a kidnapped friend, discovering who you are/where your place is/seeking acceptance, niether it is about saving the world.
Its just boring ass politics between a couple of pirates and wizards.
Now that kinda premise wouldn't be boring, if THOSE were the main characters in a different book, in a different story.
Really doesn't seem to work atm, but i'm only a little more then halfway through so hopefully the climax will make up for it
How interesting!Pirate King is,IMO,one of Salvatore´s best novels. We already know how deep are drow manipulation and intrigue, but the pirates lords are good players in this game too! Of course, the fact that Deudermount is my favorite character from Salvatore adds quite a bit to the evaluation. |
"Surely you recognize that armies carrying banners are almost always thieves—until they win."
Jarlaxle, mercenary leader of Bregan D'aerthe. |
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BEAST
Master of Realmslore
USA
1714 Posts |
Posted - 07 Oct 2012 : 06:18:27
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Originally posted by Gavinho
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Originally posted by topkerrigun
Reading second transitions book right now, the pirate king...
Its kinda boring to be honest...The premise just seems to incredibly "meh" just another day in the Forgotten Realms.
Book isn't about chasing a kidnapped friend, discovering who you are/where your place is/seeking acceptance, niether it is about saving the world.
Its just boring ass politics between a couple of pirates and wizards.
Now that kinda premise wouldn't be boring, if THOSE were the main characters in a different book, in a different story.
Really doesn't seem to work atm, but i'm only a little more then halfway through so hopefully the climax will make up for it
How interesting!Pirate King is,IMO,one of Salvatore´s best novels. We already know how deep are drow manipulation and intrigue, but the pirates lords are good players in this game too! Of course, the fact that Deudermount is my favorite character from Salvatore adds quite a bit to the evaluation.
Yeah, it wasn't a fun adventure romp, by any means. It was tragic.
But it was still an enjoyable tale, for its realism.
Methinks the main dramatic meme in the "Transitions" books was that Drizzt is not the superhero that his critics make him out to be. He's just one ranger in a big, big world, and a lot of stuff is beyond him. It's great not just for us to be shown this in unpleasant ways, but also for Drizzt to be forced to see it and admit it, himself. The "honeymoon" era for this hero is over. It's now time for him to face reality, and decide if it's still worth it to keep going on. |
"'You don't know my history,' he said dryly."
--Drizzt Do'Urden (The Pirate King, Part 1: Chapter 2)
<"Comprehensive Chronology of R.A. Salvatore Forgotten Realms Works"> |
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Captain Grafalcon
Learned Scribe
Brazil
131 Posts |
Posted - 08 Oct 2012 : 18:04:11
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| Drizt last novels focus in the conflict between ethics.To whom he must point his scimitars? The Realms are full of grey, not just black and white. |
"Surely you recognize that armies carrying banners are almost always thieves—until they win."
Jarlaxle, mercenary leader of Bregan D'aerthe. |
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What book do I read after Hunter's Blades?
