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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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 Posted - 12 Sep 2012 : 04:40:08
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
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Originally posted by Markustay
Its been my experience Mystras don't last very long, and most certainly never survive a new edition. 
Well I have a clue where we are heading....
Mystral then minus the last letter leads to
Mystra....now minus the last letter
Mystr....definitely Mister the next god of magic 
Actually, the first goddess of magic was named Mystryl.  |
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
USA
3567 Posts |
Posted - 12 Sep 2012 : 13:37:40
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
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Originally posted by Markustay
Its been my experience Mystras don't last very long, and most certainly never survive a new edition.
Well I have a clue where we are heading....
Mystral then minus the last letter leads to
Mystra....now minus the last letter
Mystr....definitely Mister the next god of magic
Actually, the first goddess of magic was named Mystryl.
there you go bringing facts to an internet debate!
and....crap..I cant believe I typed that....I should have went to sleep instead!
So maybe the y is making a comeback and it'll end up being Mysty |
A little nonsense now and then, relished by the wisest men - Willy Wonka
"We need men who can dream of things that never were." -
John F. Kennedy, speech in Dublin, Ireland, June 28, 1963
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Sightless
Senior Scribe
USA
608 Posts |
Posted - 12 Sep 2012 : 14:29:31
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I find the alignment shift kind of interesting.
Originally the goddess of magic was true nutral, then lawful neutral, then nutral good... so, is Chaotic good, or lawful good next?
Is the Symbol becomes next Goddess of magic, which his been my prediction for a long-long time now, then Chaotic Good looks like the most likely.
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 12 Sep 2012 : 15:28:11
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Whats kinda funny is that I had this theory where the first(?) goddess of magic Mystryl actually 'exploded' and became the sphere Mystara is located in.
So I guess in my own cosmology, if they bring back the original, I'll have to get rid of Mystara. |
"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
USA
12194 Posts |
Posted - 12 Sep 2012 : 20:45:16
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Originally posted by Dennis
Add this to my Wish List:
-The return of Trobriand, the Metal Mage.
-Delve deeper into metal magic, and create metallic constructs. Have a couple more of metal mages, probably Trobriand's apprentices, and/or competitors.
You know, when I was discussing the idea of the United Tharchs, I was saying I wanted to see Zulkirs of the elemental schools and I listed air, earth, fire, water, metal, and wood. It never occurred to me, it would be neat if Trobriand's apprentices' apprentices actually were the ones that formed this school... and maybe one of his apprentices was the Zulkir. I can definitely see one coming to that part of the world to delve into Raumathari and Imaskari lore on constructs. |
Alavairthae, may your skill prevail
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
USA
12194 Posts |
Posted - 12 Sep 2012 : 20:47:52
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
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Originally posted by Markustay
Its been my experience Mystras don't last very long, and most certainly never survive a new edition.
Well I have a clue where we are heading....
Mystral then minus the last letter leads to
Mystra....now minus the last letter
Mystr....definitely Mister the next god of magic
Actually, the first goddess of magic was named Mystryl.
there you go bringing facts to an internet debate!
and....crap..I cant believe I typed that....I should have went to sleep instead!
So maybe the y is making a comeback and it'll end up being Mysty
Mystrul, as in a combination of Mystra and Simbul |
Alavairthae, may your skill prevail
Phillip aka Sleyvas |
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
USA
3567 Posts |
Posted - 13 Sep 2012 : 03:06:11
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Originally posted by sleyvas
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
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Originally posted by Markustay
Its been my experience Mystras don't last very long, and most certainly never survive a new edition.
Well I have a clue where we are heading....
Mystral then minus the last letter leads to
Mystra....now minus the last letter
Mystr....definitely Mister the next god of magic
Actually, the first goddess of magic was named Mystryl.
there you go bringing facts to an internet debate!
and....crap..I cant believe I typed that....I should have went to sleep instead!
So maybe the y is making a comeback and it'll end up being Mysty
Mystrul, as in a combination of Mystra and Simbul
Elminstra? |
A little nonsense now and then, relished by the wisest men - Willy Wonka
"We need men who can dream of things that never were." -
John F. Kennedy, speech in Dublin, Ireland, June 28, 1963
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Sightless
Senior Scribe
USA
608 Posts |
Posted - 13 Sep 2012 : 03:20:41
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Well, it would seem as my last post disapeared.
So, does anyone else find the alignment progression for the Goddess of magic kind of interesting. We went from true neutral, to lawful neutral, to neutral good. I suspect that Chaotic good will be next, but then again I thought the Symbol would end up being a Goddess of magic after reading Elminster in hell.
I've not gotten past that one in the series as well, so don't know what all has happened between her and anyone else since then. Sorry Ed, I love your stuff, but i've got plenty of other stuff that I have to scan, a page at a time, so your books are going to have to wait. Now, if they brail/ electronic, or audio book them, then it's on. Till then,
*whistles *
O, no collective gasps or retorts over what's above, if you please.
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We choose to live a lie, when we see with, & not through the eye.
Every decision, no matter the evidence, is a leap of faith; if it were not, then it wouldn't be a choice at all. |
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Lord Bane
Senior Scribe
Germany
479 Posts |
Posted - 13 Sep 2012 : 16:17:14
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On a different note brought up in a different scroll:
Wish for 5th Edition
Succubi returning into the fold of the Tanaar'ri and the Erynies regain the wings. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 13 Sep 2012 : 16:52:35
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| If anything I would think they'd move Mystra back to true neutral - she makes the most sense that way, IMO. |
"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone
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Marc
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 13 Sep 2012 : 17:03:45
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| Mystra was chaotic, lawful, and good, now's evil's turn. |
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Mournblade
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 13 Sep 2012 : 18:45:07
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Originally posted by Marc
Mystra was chaotic, lawful, and good, now's evil's turn.
I am betting that magic becomes split between Lolth and Mystra. I don't think that the current story element of encounters is going to disappear.
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Irennan
Great Reader
Italy
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Posted - 13 Sep 2012 : 19:04:36
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Originally posted by Markustay
If anything I would think they'd move Mystra back to true neutral - she makes the most sense that way, IMO.
Yes: magic has no ethic, so unaligned or true neutral is the best suited alignment for someone who embodies it. |
Mathematics is the art of giving the same name to different things. |
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Sightless
Senior Scribe
USA
608 Posts |
Posted - 13 Sep 2012 : 20:28:07
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Agreed, making it neutral does make the most sense, but that doesn't mean that they'll go that route. I'd be very happy if they did, but I've got a suspicion that they wont, although I've been wrong before.
And what's this Lolth get's part of magic thing, my understanding was that she was making an attempt, but that was all. Has something changed in that regard? Did Lolth actually succeed? |
We choose to live a lie, when we see with, & not through the eye.
Every decision, no matter the evidence, is a leap of faith; if it were not, then it wouldn't be a choice at all. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 13 Sep 2012 : 20:38:12
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We have to also remember that there is actually two parts to Mystra (and I am not talking about Weaves/Arcane/Shadow/etc). Mystryl was at first an artifact - a ball of uber-energy that was the combined power of two gods. That consruct needs a sentience to function properly, which is why Mystra always uses a mortal when she incarnates (reboots).
The 'thing' (Weave/raw Magic) that is Mystra/Mystryl is true neutral - like most primordials it is an amoral blob of power. It cares for nothing but furthering its portfolio. The 'person' that is Mystra/Mystryl does have morality, gleaned from the consciousness of whomever she conjoined with. This is why her alignment changes from time to time - its based on her current incarnation. |
"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone
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combatmedic
Senior Scribe
USA
428 Posts |
Posted - 13 Sep 2012 : 20:56:04
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Make Szass Tam the new god of magic.
Mystam
Heh. |
YMMV= Your Mileage May Vary. I'm putting it here so I don't have to type it in every other post. :) |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 13 Sep 2012 : 20:59:46
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I was actually thinking Elmystra. 
But from what I understand (unfortunately because of spoilers), this whole situation has already been resolved (so we pretty-much know what we will have moving into the 5e era). |
"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone
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Sightless
Senior Scribe
USA
608 Posts |
Posted - 13 Sep 2012 : 21:18:59
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Really... it's been resolved... I'm now beginning to realize just how behind the curve I am on this. When was all this resolved?
Elminster in rage?
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We choose to live a lie, when we see with, & not through the eye.
Every decision, no matter the evidence, is a leap of faith; if it were not, then it wouldn't be a choice at all. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 13 Sep 2012 : 21:43:00
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From what I understand, YES, in Eminster Enraged.
I only read the first in that series - Elminster Must Die - thus far, but even in that first book you pretty-much knew where things were going (the very last page says it all). |
"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone
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Sightless
Senior Scribe
USA
608 Posts |
Posted - 13 Sep 2012 : 23:00:39
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Originally posted by Markustay
From what I understand, YES, in Eminster Enraged.
I only read the first in that series - Elminster Must Die - thus far, but even in that first book you pretty-much knew where things were going (the very last page says it all).
Is that right after Elminster's daugher, or is there another book in between? I mean between Elminster must die. Just trying to get my reading list in order.
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We choose to live a lie, when we see with, & not through the eye.
Every decision, no matter the evidence, is a leap of faith; if it were not, then it wouldn't be a choice at all. |
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Tyrant
Senior Scribe
USA
586 Posts |
Posted - 13 Sep 2012 : 23:20:52
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Originally posted by Markustay
From what I understand, YES, in Eminster Enraged.
I only read the first in that series - Elminster Must Die - thus far, but even in that first book you pretty-much knew where things were going (the very last page says it all).
We know part of it anyway. Lolth's actions might not go unrewarded. Or Shar might make another play at a Shadow Weave. Or we may end up with multiple weaves. Mystra might not be at full power when she returns or she might have new rules from AO.I think it could still go a few different ways. |
Peace is a lie, there is only passion. Through passion, I gain strength. Through strength, I gain power. Through power, I gain victory. Through victory, my chains are broken. The Force shall free me.
-The Sith Code
Teenage Sith zombies, Tulkh thought-how in the moons of Bogden had it all started? Every so often, the universe must just get bored and decide to really cut loose. -Star Wars: Red Harvest |
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 14 Sep 2012 : 00:09:54
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Originally posted by Sightless
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Originally posted by Markustay
From what I understand, YES, in Eminster Enraged.
I only read the first in that series - Elminster Must Die - thus far, but even in that first book you pretty-much knew where things were going (the very last page says it all).
Is that right after Elminster's daugher, or is there another book in between? I mean between Elminster must die. Just trying to get my reading list in order.
Elminster's Daughter is the last book in the first Elminster pentad. Elminster Enraged is the third book in the new Sage of Shadowdale saga, which started with Elminster Must Die, then followed by Bury Elminster Deep. |
Every beginning has an end. |
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 14 Sep 2012 : 00:11:58
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Originally posted by combatmedic
Make Szass Tam the new god of magic.
Mystam
Heh.
If anything, I like the sound of the name. But Szass Tam is too evil and megalomaniac to be in change of Magic. A deity of magic has to be NEUTRAL. |
Every beginning has an end. |
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Gyor
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 14 Sep 2012 : 01:11:31
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I always assumed that pure shadow magic, not shadow illusion subschool spells, but like the shadowcaster class or 4e powers with the shadow keyword word used the shadow weave, but I realized the shadow weave was destroyed and that the general fluff in 4e was that this type of magic came from the shadowfell, via trading a piece of your soul for a piece of shadowstuff.
For 5e this stuff really needs to be organized and explained properly. Its confusing. |
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
USA
12194 Posts |
Posted - 14 Sep 2012 : 03:48:48
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
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Originally posted by sleyvas
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
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Originally posted by Markustay
Its been my experience Mystras don't last very long, and most certainly never survive a new edition.
Well I have a clue where we are heading....
Mystral then minus the last letter leads to
Mystra....now minus the last letter
Mystr....definitely Mister the next god of magic
Actually, the first goddess of magic was named Mystryl.
there you go bringing facts to an internet debate!
and....crap..I cant believe I typed that....I should have went to sleep instead!
So maybe the y is making a comeback and it'll end up being Mysty
Mystrul, as in a combination of Mystra and Simbul
Elminstra?
Elminstrual.... and you can keep the little bleeding river holy symbol |
Alavairthae, may your skill prevail
Phillip aka Sleyvas |
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
USA
3567 Posts |
Posted - 14 Sep 2012 : 03:55:06
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Originally posted by Sightless
Really... it's been resolved... I'm now beginning to realize just how behind the curve I am on this. When was all this resolved?
Elminster in rage?
I think there may be a few loose threads to wrap up, but if ou don't mind spoilers...
Spoiler alert!
There is a scene where Elminster goes to Mystra while he is bursting at the seams and leaking silver fire,because he is carrying all of The Simbuls....from her sacrifice to save him..Mystra awake if he will yield most of his fire back to her.....he does,amystar soaks it in....Storm arrives as a blue star and shares the moment.....voila, Mystra restored |
A little nonsense now and then, relished by the wisest men - Willy Wonka
"We need men who can dream of things that never were." -
John F. Kennedy, speech in Dublin, Ireland, June 28, 1963
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Eilserus
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 18 Sep 2012 : 06:29:44
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| Here's another wishlist item for 5E Realms. I'd like to see Lashan and his bid for conquering the Dales done up. There's so many references to this in the old lore that it makes a person really want to see more. Another would be Gondegal and his rebellion in Cormyr. Starting campaigns out in either situation would be interesting and fun I would think. It's been a 100 years, and last I checked Lashan was the victim of an imprisonment spell under Myth Drannor. Granted, he did appear as a nycaloth in Shadowdale Scouring of the Land, but that means he could easily return to retry his hand at taking the Dales. |
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
USA
12194 Posts |
Posted - 18 Sep 2012 : 16:59:32
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Originally posted by Eilserus
Here's another wishlist item for 5E Realms. I'd like to see Lashan and his bid for conquering the Dales done up. There's so many references to this in the old lore that it makes a person really want to see more. Another would be Gondegal and his rebellion in Cormyr. Starting campaigns out in either situation would be interesting and fun I would think. It's been a 100 years, and last I checked Lashan was the victim of an imprisonment spell under Myth Drannor. Granted, he did appear as a nycaloth in Shadowdale Scouring of the Land, but that means he could easily return to retry his hand at taking the Dales.
Didn't Gondegal get sucked into Ravenloft (stretching the depths of my memory)? |
Alavairthae, may your skill prevail
Phillip aka Sleyvas |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 18 Sep 2012 : 17:09:00
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Yup.
Which means he can return in any era. |
"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone
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CorellonsDevout
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 19 Sep 2012 : 01:20:05
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I must admit, I am a little confused and have mixed feelings about all the editions being available in 5e (I'll admit my mixed feelings could come from that confusion). I own some of the sourcebooks, mostly for lore and reference purposes (as I think I've stated before), but I rarely play D&D, FR setting or otherwise--but I would like to play more. As I have mentioned, my concerns for 5e primarily pretain to the effect it will have on the novels (D&D core and FR setting to an extent as well, because I'd still like for those who don't read the novels to get a "taste" for the words as well). Here is where my mixed feelings come into play: from what I understand--correct me if I'm wrong, because as I said, I might be confused--WOtC's aim is to make previous editions available to players so they can play with the lore/setting that they like best, so they can choose what is in their world and what they would like to leave out. But what will this mean for the novels? Since this is not a retcon, the Spellplague happened in the novels, and there is no going back, so in the 5e novels, what effect will the 5e changes have on them?
I understand the aim is to make the stories more character-based, which is good, though as I’ve said before, I did like when the gods had more involvement, and their “petty squabbling” did make them more “human”. But having them take a back seat also means they are less likely to get killed off, haha. And this is also why I’d like to know which gods are definitely back and which aren’t, because of the novels. A reader could not pretend Vhaeraun is back or choose whether he isn’t, whereas a player can choose to use him or not. And a player, if my understanding is right, will have the available lore to play pre-Spellplague, but in the novels, the fact is that the Spellplague happened, and even if the Sundering separates Abeir from Faerun again, the respective races interacted while they were joined, so there will be lasting effects of that , yes? I have read Erik’s description of the Sundering on his site, but I am trying to understand. And since the novels are going to be more character-based (though in my opinion, they really always have been. I never got the impression that mortals were on the backseat. Ed Greenwood Presents Waterdeep novels are a good example), how will readers know about future major events (eg, political, since “earth-shattering” may not be happening again anytime soon) in the Realms. I’m sure I’m missing something here, but yeah ^^;
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