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WalkerNinja
Senior Scribe
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 Posted - 10 Aug 2012 : 02:45:13
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Originally posted by Faraer
The way travelled last time was an extreme, perhaps even desperate response to a very specific and severe business situation. If it no longer holds, we shouldn't expect a similar approach.
That, and Ed hasn't before misled us.
I'd never seen things laid out like that before. Great Article! |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
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Posted - 10 Aug 2012 : 02:46:23
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Originally posted by Faraer
The way travelled last time was an extreme, perhaps even desperate response to a very specific and severe business situation. If it no longer holds, we shouldn't expect a similar approach.
That, and Ed hasn't before misled us.
Interesting read.
Most folks fail to connect 'the tragedy' he mentions to the near-legal problem they had. Some of you may recall that not only did that guy 'go a little nuts', but he also was stealing code from other sites to present to WotC higher-ups, so it appeared as if he actually was working on the VTT (and then they posted some of it, and the real developer found out, and made them pull it all down - how I would love to have been a fly on the wall when they confronted him with that).
Think about that - one very ill person almost caused both D&D and FR to cease to exist as a currently marketed IP. The foundation of 4eD&D was wrapped around the VTT, and without it it crumbled. Lessons to be learned there - don't put all your eggs one one basket.
It also proves that some of us were right - a LOT of what was gong on was corporate political maneuvering. {sigh}
It can only get better - lets hope it does well enough so they don't consider 'shelving it' again, eh? D&D and FR need our support more then ever. It was there for us - let us be there for it. At least wait until after Gencon to start complaining. |
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WalkerNinja
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 10 Aug 2012 : 02:53:22
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Originally posted by Markustay
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Originally posted by Faraer
The way travelled last time was an extreme, perhaps even desperate response to a very specific and severe business situation. If it no longer holds, we shouldn't expect a similar approach.
That, and Ed hasn't before misled us.
Interesting read.
Most folks fail to connect 'the tragedy' he mentions to the near-legal problem they had. Some of you may recall that not only did that guy 'go a little nuts', but he also was stealing code from other sites to present to WotC higher-ups, so it appeared as if he actually was working on the VTT (and then they posted some of it, and the real developer found out, and made them pull it all down - how I would love to have been a fly on the wall when they confronted him with that).
Think about that - one very ill person almost caused both D&D and FR to cease to exist as a currently marketed IP. The foundation of 4eD&D was wrapped around the VTT, and without it it crumbled. Lessons to be learned there - don't put all your eggs one one basket.
It also proves that some of us were right - a LOT of what was gong on was corporate political maneuvering. {sigh}
It can only get better - lets hope it does well enough so they don't consider 'shelving it' again, eh? D&D and FR need our support more then ever. It was there for us - let us be there for it. At least wait until after Gencon to start complaining.
I really felt like it was salient that not only did 4E hinge on the VTT, the VTT was actually a bridge extending to an MMO. The eggs weren't just being placed in one basket, they were being rolled across an as-yet-incomplete bridge on the hope that it would be complete in time for the eggs to roll into MMO land. This also goes a long way toward explaining the hundred year leap and major geographical changes. FR was being groomed for a WoW treatment. |
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
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Posted - 10 Aug 2012 : 05:03:11
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Wow, I'm getting to the party late, but I've been designing and writing all day, so please excuse me only getting to this around 9 p.m.
Yes, I was part of this milestone meeting (which was a *meeting*, not a presentation, as has been stated). This does not count the thousands of words James Wyatt and I have traded over email for the last year (in a positive way). This man is serious about fixing the Realms and making it better than ever, and you'd better believe the six of us (Ed, Eric, George, Brian C, Brian J, and myself) are committed to this like nothing else. I shouldn't need to remind anyone that I have devoted hundreds of hours of my vanishingly rare free time to supporting, advocating, and developing the Realms here on this site. What you have said, posted, speculated, derided--all of it is worthy of consideration, and it is being heard. Do not doubt that everything that can be done, WILL BE DONE, if any of us have anything to say about it, and all signs point to that being the direction.
The six of us are in on a lot of what's going to be announced, and we aren't talking about it because we legally can't, and because we wouldn't want to spoil Thursday's announcements anyway. You have one week to wait, but I will offer my confidence that you can wait in optimism rather than trepidation. Things are being done--things that made the six of us smile, nod, and offer ideas, which themselves made James Wyatt and Matt Sernett smile, nod, and offer ideas of their own.
You want details? You want to hear thoughts and make your voice heard? Come to the keynote address and the Candlekeep seminar Thursday evening. We'll answer everything we can and take whatever ideas you've got to offer.
This is a new team. A new design. A new direction. And yet, at the same time, it will be the same, classic, iconic Realms we know and love. You had better believe we're in this for the long haul.
Are you with us?
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Erik Scott de Bie
'Tis easier to destroy than to create.
Author of a number of Realms novels (GHOSTWALKER, DEPTHS OF MADNESS, and the SHADOWBANE series), contributor to the NEVERWINTER CAMPAIGN GUIDE and SHADOWFELL: GLOOMWROUGHT AND BEYOND, Twitch DM of the Dungeon Scrawlers, currently playing "The Westgate Irregulars" |
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Diffan
Great Reader
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Posted - 10 Aug 2012 : 05:16:08
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I never put stock (not literally) into the whole VTT thing, even as a 4E fan to this day. I mean, something like that "shouldn't" just support one rule-system and I'm not sure if it was originally meant to.
As for the VTT to bridge the MMO aspects, I just don't see it. VTT is just a way for people to play PnP D&D that can't physically be there in person, and there are a LOT of programs that do that facilitate that aspect now and even back in 08'. Additionally, the whole MMO aspect doesn't work well with 4E mechanics based on their very power-based system. A LOT of powers work off-turn, mid-turn, stop actions, redirect actions, push/pull/slide, hold PCs/Monsters, force DM decisions (like Marking and targeting), in addition to instant actions (like a creature taking direct damage for performing X action). Basically they'd have to majorly tweak these base mechanics, remove lots of Utility powers (teleport spells, fly for exampl) as well as rework many class-based structures. It's just not very do-able IMO.
The best thing they could've hoped for was to present the PnP game into a structure people who often play MMOs could relate to. From the way the PHB/MM/DMG was laid out, to color-coded powers (at-will being green, encounter being red, daily being grey), balance the format of classes (AEDU system) and codify plainly often used mechanics (Bull-Rush, Charging, Rituals, etc..) This, IMO, they did very well but it didn't sit well with a lot of people. That and the merge from a system that literally had almost 99% of it's bases covered under codified rules meant if you didn't deliver on X-number of people's ideals with the first 3 books, you lost them forever.
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Brimstone
Great Reader
USA
3290 Posts |
Posted - 10 Aug 2012 : 06:58:53
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
Wow, I'm getting to the party late, but I've been designing and writing all day, so please excuse me only getting to this around 9 p.m.
Yes, I was part of this milestone meeting (which was a *meeting*, not a presentation, as has been stated). This does not count the thousands of words James Wyatt and I have traded over email for the last year (in a positive way). This man is serious about fixing the Realms and making it better than ever, and you'd better believe the six of us (Ed, Eric, George, Brian C, Brian J, and myself) are committed to this like nothing else. I shouldn't need to remind anyone that I have devoted hundreds of hours of my vanishingly rare free time to supporting, advocating, and developing the Realms here on this site. What you have said, posted, speculated, derided--all of it is worthy of consideration, and it is being heard. Do not doubt that everything that can be done, WILL BE DONE, if any of us have anything to say about it, and all signs point to that being the direction.
The six of us are in on a lot of what's going to be announced, and we aren't talking about it because we legally can't, and because we wouldn't want to spoil Thursday's announcements anyway. You have one week to wait, but I will offer my confidence that you can wait in optimism rather than trepidation. Things are being done--things that made the six of us smile, nod, and offer ideas, which themselves made James Wyatt and Matt Sernett smile, nod, and offer ideas of their own.
You want details? You want to hear thoughts and make your voice heard? Come to the keynote address and the Candlekeep seminar Thursday evening. We'll answer everything we can and take whatever ideas you've got to offer.
This is a new team. A new design. A new direction. And yet, at the same time, it will be the same, classic, iconic Realms we know and love. You had better believe we're in this for the long haul.
Are you with us?
Cheers
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Dark Wizard
Senior Scribe
USA
830 Posts |
Posted - 10 Aug 2012 : 07:11:34
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On the plus side, there are no changes left to be wrought upon the setting that would make it worse. Well, there probably are, but I think we already hit diminishing returns on how WotC can shift the presentation of a setting. What could WotC do? Undo the transition? ::laugh::
Any way they go about it, they will keep or alienate some fans. They can only hope to put forth a version of the Realms that's agreeable to the most fans possible while being enticing enough to maintain new interest. The extreme cases on either side aren't worth catering to. Some have left the setting back before or during the ToT or at any time since. Others will never be fans of the Realms even if WotC files off the serial numbers, renames the setting, and publishes it under a pseudonym supported by a legion of ghost writers to emulate Ed's output.
On the off chance the 5E Realms reveals itself to be a true disaster, what difference does it make to the majority of fans? Fans who have drifted or diverged from the setting will keep playing what they have. Some have already moved on entirely to other settings and interests. Fans of the 4E Realms will join that group, continue playing in the 4E Realms. Support wasn't steady throughout the current era. It was only ever supposed to be three books and some web articles. The Realms has already gained the Neverwinter book above what was planned.
People will still cross-convert from the various editions. We will still have responses and lore from Ed and the other sages. The Realms would be dead, but the Realms would live.
Maybe it will fade to the second or third most popular and supported official setting of what ever edition of D&D we end up at. Maybe that's a good thing. The Realms could perhaps be allowed to be it's own distinct setting, which it was always meant to be, rather than the stand-in for a generic core D&D world.
WotC could stop releasing the Realms first as the guinea pig of settings. Let some other property be the poor dumping ground of every generic core game component. Let another setting go through the format grinder, where the covers don't match and a Player's Guide is a rules patch and not an actual players guide. Or where the levels and powers of the game are established and understood, rather than inflating numbers and tossing out ad hoc epic rules, then reneging on that approach and releasing cosmic threats that couldn't measure up to notable NPCs even when it should be the other way around. Only for it all to be 'fixed' in a surgery of spiked bludgeoning wallops and copious application of a flamethrower.
The situation already hit the nadir. There is only the ascent.
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Eilserus
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 10 Aug 2012 : 07:14:22
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
Wow, I'm getting to the party late, but I've been designing and writing all day, so please excuse me only getting to this around 9 p.m.
Yes, I was part of this milestone meeting (which was a *meeting*, not a presentation, as has been stated). This does not count the thousands of words James Wyatt and I have traded over email for the last year (in a positive way). This man is serious about fixing the Realms and making it better than ever, and you'd better believe the six of us (Ed, Eric, George, Brian C, Brian J, and myself) are committed to this like nothing else. I shouldn't need to remind anyone that I have devoted hundreds of hours of my vanishingly rare free time to supporting, advocating, and developing the Realms here on this site. What you have said, posted, speculated, derided--all of it is worthy of consideration, and it is being heard. Do not doubt that everything that can be done, WILL BE DONE, if any of us have anything to say about it, and all signs point to that being the direction.
The six of us are in on a lot of what's going to be announced, and we aren't talking about it because we legally can't, and because we wouldn't want to spoil Thursday's announcements anyway. You have one week to wait, but I will offer my confidence that you can wait in optimism rather than trepidation. Things are being done--things that made the six of us smile, nod, and offer ideas, which themselves made James Wyatt and Matt Sernett smile, nod, and offer ideas of their own.
You want details? You want to hear thoughts and make your voice heard? Come to the keynote address and the Candlekeep seminar Thursday evening. We'll answer everything we can and take whatever ideas you've got to offer.
This is a new team. A new design. A new direction. And yet, at the same time, it will be the same, classic, iconic Realms we know and love. You had better believe we're in this for the long haul.
Are you with us?
Cheers
Sounds good to me! This entire thread has me pretty much stoked for what we have coming. Tell those GenCon folks to setup a streaming online ticket option like BlizzCon please. Great way for those who can't physically attend to still watch and see it. Maybe they can implement it for next year and for other events. :) |
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Thauranil
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 10 Aug 2012 : 10:50:14
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Originally posted by Eilserus
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
Wow, I'm getting to the party late, but I've been designing and writing all day, so please excuse me only getting to this around 9 p.m.
Yes, I was part of this milestone meeting (which was a *meeting*, not a presentation, as has been stated). This does not count the thousands of words James Wyatt and I have traded over email for the last year (in a positive way). This man is serious about fixing the Realms and making it better than ever, and you'd better believe the six of us (Ed, Eric, George, Brian C, Brian J, and myself) are committed to this like nothing else. I shouldn't need to remind anyone that I have devoted hundreds of hours of my vanishingly rare free time to supporting, advocating, and developing the Realms here on this site. What you have said, posted, speculated, derided--all of it is worthy of consideration, and it is being heard. Do not doubt that everything that can be done, WILL BE DONE, if any of us have anything to say about it, and all signs point to that being the direction.
The six of us are in on a lot of what's going to be announced, and we aren't talking about it because we legally can't, and because we wouldn't want to spoil Thursday's announcements anyway. You have one week to wait, but I will offer my confidence that you can wait in optimism rather than trepidation. Things are being done--things that made the six of us smile, nod, and offer ideas, which themselves made James Wyatt and Matt Sernett smile, nod, and offer ideas of their own.
You want details? You want to hear thoughts and make your voice heard? Come to the keynote address and the Candlekeep seminar Thursday evening. We'll answer everything we can and take whatever ideas you've got to offer.
This is a new team. A new design. A new direction. And yet, at the same time, it will be the same, classic, iconic Realms we know and love. You had better believe we're in this for the long haul.
Are you with us?
Cheers
Sounds good to me! This entire thread has me pretty much stoked for what we have coming. Tell those GenCon folks to setup a streaming online ticket option like BlizzCon please. Great way for those who can't physically attend to still watch and see it. Maybe they can implement it for next year and for other events. :)
This is a great idea. Hope to see this implemented next year.
I am looking forward to what Ed and the other members of the Sinister Six come up for us. |
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Xnella Moonblade-Thann
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 10 Aug 2012 : 11:43:43
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I went by this simple rule in 4e for the rulebooks: judge not a book by its cover. If it was about the Realms, then I would skim the pages for "something worthwhile". If I found that "something worthwhile", then it would go on a mental "considered for buying" list. If I kept thinking on how I could use it while still keeping the version of the Realms I like, then I would buy the book. Most of it I probably never would use, but one book (Neverwinter Campaign Setting) was the rare gem in that pile, if only for the mention of two specific people/families (my user name should make it obvious). Let's just say that it gave me hope that some things were not quite dead, setting included.
As for 5e/DnD Next, if Ed and the "lore-lords" of the Realms are excited for it, then it must be worth the wait. As I have seen stated in this thread, it can only go up from here, and I whole-heartedly agree. |
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Tarlyn
Learned Scribe
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315 Posts |
Posted - 10 Aug 2012 : 11:44:19
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
Wow, I'm getting to the party late, but I've been designing and writing all day, so please excuse me only getting to this around 9 p.m.
Yes, I was part of this milestone meeting (which was a *meeting*, not a presentation, as has been stated). This does not count the thousands of words James Wyatt and I have traded over email for the last year (in a positive way). This man is serious about fixing the Realms and making it better than ever, and you'd better believe the six of us (Ed, Eric, George, Brian C, Brian J, and myself) are committed to this like nothing else. I shouldn't need to remind anyone that I have devoted hundreds of hours of my vanishingly rare free time to supporting, advocating, and developing the Realms here on this site. What you have said, posted, speculated, derided--all of it is worthy of consideration, and it is being heard. Do not doubt that everything that can be done, WILL BE DONE, if any of us have anything to say about it, and all signs point to that being the direction.
The six of us are in on a lot of what's going to be announced, and we aren't talking about it because we legally can't, and because we wouldn't want to spoil Thursday's announcements anyway. You have one week to wait, but I will offer my confidence that you can wait in optimism rather than trepidation. Things are being done--things that made the six of us smile, nod, and offer ideas, which themselves made James Wyatt and Matt Sernett smile, nod, and offer ideas of their own.
You want details? You want to hear thoughts and make your voice heard? Come to the keynote address and the Candlekeep seminar Thursday evening. We'll answer everything we can and take whatever ideas you've got to offer.
This is a new team. A new design. A new direction. And yet, at the same time, it will be the same, classic, iconic Realms we know and love. You had better believe we're in this for the long haul.
Are you with us?
Cheers
Good speech. It is less than a week away at this point everyone might as well just wait it out and watch the announcement. |
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Arcanus
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 10 Aug 2012 : 14:13:21
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Garen Thal
I would really rather not make this discussion about the 4e Realms at all, but since we've gotten here, I'll make a brief comment. After that, any sniping at past design teams should really move elsewhere. It's unproductive, can frankly get more than a little mean, and is not the topic of this thread. If this becomes a hate-fest, I'll ask the moderators to shut the thread down.
I'd rather it not come to that, personally. But, unfortuntely, that is the reality of Realms discussions these days -- that the vocal ramblings of those few in discontent, feel the need to disturb what can, and properly should be, a worthwhile and productive discussion.
Needless to say, you've my promise, as always Brian, that this will not occur here.
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As long-time scribes of Candlekeep themselves know, I've long championed the cause of having every scribe being able to constructively put forth their own opinions. That's why I'm always so very hesitant to seal any scroll -- even when the discontent I referencd above, rears it's head in a discussion.
Regardless, I think we should all take another look at Garen's opening post, and review what he's said about those who are involved in what's coming for the Realms at GenCon.
In his own words, there's every reason to feel that "These are exciting times for the Forgotten Realms, folks. Get ready. Get excited."
And that's what I plan to do! 
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ZeshinX
Learned Scribe
Canada
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Posted - 10 Aug 2012 : 14:36:40
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
This is a new team. A new design. A new direction. And yet, at the same time, it will be the same, classic, iconic Realms we know and love. You had better believe we're in this for the long haul.
Are you with us?
Cheers
What's old is new, what's new is old? 
I'm interested in seeing what's coming. More the Realms side of things than D&D overall (didn't care one whit for the 4e rules, 5e/Next isn't wow'ing me either).
I'm unable to attend this shindig, but I'm very interested to hear what you ladies and gents have planned. It's a cautious interest though, as I'm really finding Pathfinder/Golarion to be carrying the spirit of D&D/The Realms I love, if not the names.
Cautious, but eager to see what you all have in store for us.  |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 10 Aug 2012 : 16:10:56
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Originally posted by Arcanus
Seeing as my opinions are obviously not wanted here i have deleted them and will leave you to it.
I don't recall any specific claim saying that your opinions aren't wanted here at Candlekeep.
So long as your opinions are constructive, and adhere to the dictates of the site's Code of Conduct, you're free to express them at Candlekeep. |
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Arcanus
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 10 Aug 2012 : 17:07:22
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Arcanus
Seeing as my opinions are obviously not wanted here i have deleted them and will leave you to it.
I don't recall any specific claim saying that your opinions aren't wanted here at Candlekeep.
So long as your opinions are constructive, and adhere to the dictates of the site's Code of Conduct, you're free to express them at Candlekeep.
Maybe you never singled me out but my opinions were largely on the negative side (just as valid as a positive comment imo). Therefore, I withdraw from this scroll and leave it to the happy people.
Let's just leave it that shall we. |
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smerwin29
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 10 Aug 2012 : 17:40:41
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| Thanks for the information! I have had the chance to work directly with both Matt Sernett and James Wyatt within the last few months, and I cannot speak highly enough of their professionalism. I have to run games while the Keynote Address is taking place, so I will need those attending the Candlekeep seminar to catch me up on the details. |
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Portella
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
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Posted - 10 Aug 2012 : 19:17:15
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| So Thursday it is we will be waiting some of us will be there to listen and hope you all have fun. Other than that I like to thank writers, designers and freelancers involved in all of this for coming here and sharing the little you can share about the keynote and the future of D&D and most importantly the Realms. |
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BEAST
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 10 Aug 2012 : 22:09:04
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| I'll just say thanks, guys, for still caring and still trying. It feels good to know that our baby is in good hands. I choose not to be skeptical. I choose to trust this core squad of folks. |
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Alystra Illianniis
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 10 Aug 2012 : 22:24:06
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| I have to say that after seeing all the posts from writers, designers, and our mysterious THO, I am now cautiously optimistic, which if far more than I could say when *cough* 4th came out. Then, as now, I was curious about what was going on, but soon became disillusioned about the results. Here's to hoping that doesn't happen this time around! And given the list of names we've been seeing bantered about, that seem quite likely. So, I guess I'll just keep my fingers crossed!!! |
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
4598 Posts |
Posted - 11 Aug 2012 : 00:28:13
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I like that Sinister Six concept. I get to be Mysterio, right?
I think really we're more of an adventuring party. Ed's obviously the wizard, Brian J is obviously the gnome illusionist, I'm obviously the tiefling rogue . . .
Cheers |
Erik Scott de Bie
'Tis easier to destroy than to create.
Author of a number of Realms novels (GHOSTWALKER, DEPTHS OF MADNESS, and the SHADOWBANE series), contributor to the NEVERWINTER CAMPAIGN GUIDE and SHADOWFELL: GLOOMWROUGHT AND BEYOND, Twitch DM of the Dungeon Scrawlers, currently playing "The Westgate Irregulars" |
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Dalor Darden
Great Reader
USA
4215 Posts |
Posted - 11 Aug 2012 : 00:53:13
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| Can I be the Henchman? |
The Old Grey Box and AD&D for me! |
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore
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Posted - 11 Aug 2012 : 01:08:39
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Heh. Ed would logically be the wizard, Erik, but I've got to tell you: many days, he feels more the horse the heaviest adventurer is riding on.
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Brian R. James
Forgotten Realms Game Designer
USA
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Posted - 11 Aug 2012 : 01:28:04
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I'll just say thanks, guys, for still caring and still trying. It feels good to know that our baby is in good hands. I choose not to be skeptical. I choose to trust this core squad of folks.
Thank you again BEAST for your aid in reviewing and fact checking the forthcoming Menzoberranzan sourcebook. Your input was invaluable and very much appreciated. Will you be attending Gen Con this year? |
Brian R. James - Freelance Game Designer
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
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Posted - 11 Aug 2012 : 01:30:13
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
I like that Sinister Six concept. I get to be Mysterio, right?
I think really we're more of an adventuring party. Ed's obviously the wizard, Brian J is obviously the gnome illusionist, I'm obviously the tiefling rogue . . .
Cheers
I thought you were Kid Altitude.
-- George Krashos
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sfdragon
Great Reader
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Posted - 11 Aug 2012 : 02:21:03
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| can I be the bartender or the guy's who only mention is on that tombstone that you had to meet someone at???? |
why is being a wizard like being a drow? both are likely to find a dagger in the back from a rival or one looking to further his own goals, fame and power
My FR fan fiction
Magister's GAmbit
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Thrasymachus
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 11 Aug 2012 : 02:53:55
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Originally posted by Garen Thal
Good morning, gentles!
A few weeks ago, I was fortunate enough to be invited, along with a number of my fellow lore-lords of the Realms—those being Eric Boyd, George Krashos, Brian James, and Erik Scott de Bie—to chat with members of the story team over at Wizards of the Coast (including D&D Creative Director James Wyatt, Matt Sernett, and ex officio non-employee but kinda sorta, Ed Greenwood) about the future of the Forgotten Realms. We got a sneak peek at some of the secrets that are going to be revealed at this Gen Con’s D&D Keynote and the ‘What is the Sundering?’ panels that will follow it, as well as a glimpse at how the Realms will be treated in the coming years and edition(s).
Congrats! Have a safe trip.
*cough*Please tell them Thrasy said Reboot to OGB.*cough* |
Former Forgotten Realms brand manager Jim Butler: "Everything that bears the Forgotten Realms logo is considered canon". |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 11 Aug 2012 : 03:01:12
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Originally posted by Arcanus
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Arcanus
Seeing as my opinions are obviously not wanted here i have deleted them and will leave you to it.
I don't recall any specific claim saying that your opinions aren't wanted here at Candlekeep.
So long as your opinions are constructive, and adhere to the dictates of the site's Code of Conduct, you're free to express them at Candlekeep.
Maybe you never singled me out but my opinions were largely on the negative side (just as valid as a positive comment imo). Therefore, I withdraw from this scroll and leave it to the happy people.
Let's just leave it that shall we.
Fair enough. If you feel the need to discuss this further, however, you're free to chat with me via private messaging. |
Candlekeep Forums Moderator
Candlekeep - The Library of Forgotten Realms Lore
http://www.candlekeep.com -- Candlekeep Forum Code of Conduct
Scribe for the Candlekeep Compendium -- Volume IX now available (Oct 2007)
"So Saith Ed" -- the collected Candlekeep replies of Ed Greenwood
Zhoth'ilam Folio -- The Electronic Misadventures of a Rambling Sage |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 11 Aug 2012 : 19:26:13
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Five days and counting.
CK2 should have a 'countdown clock' for events like this.
And since I just mentioned this, I think a reinvigorated Candlekeep would be another feather in the cap of 5e, and would help to generate buzz. We need CK2 now more then ever. |
"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone
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Aryalómë
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 12 Aug 2012 : 00:51:14
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| I'm cautiously optimistic like Alystra. It seems to be taking a more positive path, but I'm not getting my hopes up. I really do want 5e to blow me away with amazing awesomeness, but I'm not holding my breath.... I hope we see more 2e flavours. Though I hope they keep some of the rules they made for some of the classes like the new spell system for spell casters. |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 13 Aug 2012 : 09:09:48
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Lets just keep in mind that however we feel about the 5e rules, the idea is we are Realms fans first. We can use whatever rules we like. Unless they do something truly awful to the Realms come 5e (and I am just not seeing it), we should still remain Realms fan and "editions be damned".
I think our dislike for what happened to the Realms in 4e really turned us a against it as a whole. I truly feel the rules would have been better received if they didn't feel like "part of the attack" (because we did indeed take it as an attack). I'm not saying the rules were great (they were very good for what they tried to accomplish, but perhaps not what a lot of us wanted), but I think the hatred for them wouldn't have been so strong.
I don't want this same thing to happen (in reverse?) when 5e FR comes around. Keep the rules and the setting separate in our minds, and maybe we'll all be a little happier. Despite my current optimism, I am sure there will be some things we still don't like after the announcements are made, but we should try to discuss these things and not trash everything before it even comes out (which is what happened to 4e - we kinda stopped it cold before it ever left the gate).
And I am not blaming us... or them... it was a little of both. Poor presentation lead to poor reception which lead to automatic dislike of everything that came after. This is a new team, and a new (old?) direction. Lets at least let it take its first few tentative breaths before we 'beat the baby'.
We gotta love our ugly little baby, remember? Maybe we can wait awhile, and just trip it when it walks by... (you didn't think I 'got nice' all of a sudden, did you?)  |
"I have never in my life learned anything from any man who agreed with me" --- Dudley Field Malone
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