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Markustay
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 Posted - 09 Aug 2012 : 19:24:39
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It is what it is, and we will all know in a week.
Here's what we do know:
On the upside, they realize there was a problem, therefor they are making "reparations". Whether you like how they 'fix' things is up to you, but at least they are trying. This is a VERY different attitude then the one presented at the outset of 4e (here's what we did, if you don't like it take a hike).
The downside: As of right now, there is NO downside. We haven't even seen it yet to judge. Its like Jeremy was alluding to above - there really is no place to go but up. |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 09 Aug 2012 : 19:25:18
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Originally posted by Garen Thal
I would really rather not make this discussion about the 4e Realms at all, but since we've gotten here, I'll make a brief comment. After that, any sniping at past design teams should really move elsewhere. It's unproductive, can frankly get more than a little mean, and is not the topic of this thread. If this becomes a hate-fest, I'll ask the moderators to shut the thread down.
And I'll do it. My opinions on the 4E Realms are well-known, and even I'm tired of seeing so much random bashing. If this thread turns into yet another "how I hate the 4E Realms!" discussion, posts will be deleted or we'll shut the thread down.
It's a new edition. It's another chance for the setting, and a new direction for it to go in. If you're not willing to talk about that in this thread, please find or start another more suited to the discussion you want to have.
As for me, Ed told me personally (well, via e-mail) that he's excited about what's coming. If nothing else, that's got me hopeful. And we weren't even discussing the new edition -- he volunteered that info. So it wasn't one of the designers saying "oh, you want to know more? Well, I can say you'll love it!" -- it was a genuine, un-asked-for opinion.
Almost everything else I'm seeing is also positive, which makes me more hopeful.
Of course, I will reserve my final judgement until I see the finished product. And even though I took a lot of flak for it when the 4E FRCG came out, I'm going to once more suggest that others do the same. |
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Arcanus
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Posted - 09 Aug 2012 : 19:35:35
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Delwa
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 09 Aug 2012 : 19:47:35
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Garen Thal
I would really rather not make this discussion about the 4e Realms at all, but since we've gotten here, I'll make a brief comment. After that, any sniping at past design teams should really move elsewhere. It's unproductive, can frankly get more than a little mean, and is not the topic of this thread. If this becomes a hate-fest, I'll ask the moderators to shut the thread down.
And I'll do it. My opinions on the 4E Realms are well-known, and even I'm tired of seeing so much random bashing. If this thread turns into yet another "how I hate the 4E Realms!" discussion, posts will be deleted or we'll shut the thread down.
It's a new edition. It's another chance for the setting, and a new direction for it to go in. If you're not willing to talk about that in this thread, please find or start another more suited to the discussion you want to have.
As for me, Ed told me personally (well, via e-mail) that he's excited about what's coming. If nothing else, that's got me hopeful. And we weren't even discussing the new edition -- he volunteered that info. So it wasn't one of the designers saying "oh, you want to know more? Well, I can say you'll love it!" -- it was a genuine, un-asked-for opinion.
Almost everything else I'm seeing is also positive, which makes me more hopeful.
Of course, I will reserve my final judgement until I see the finished product. And even though I took a lot of flak for it when the 4E FRCG came out, I'm going to once more suggest that others do the same.
Wooly, if I ever need a speech writer, I'm coming to you. I've lost count of how many times you've said exactly what I meant, but done it better. 
I see a lot of desire from WotC to "fix" what's been done. There has been a lot of "what do you want" kinds of questions being asked, and the opportunity for feedback has been enormous.
I've worked in customer service long enough to bring a list of illustrations that demonstrate "you can't please everyone" long enough to fill an entire 3E FRCS size book.
I'm not expecting 5E to totally make me happy. If my happiness were defined by how the published Realms is handled, I'd have been in a sanitarium by now. But I am optimistic. |
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Arcanus
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Posted - 09 Aug 2012 : 19:59:28
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Diffan
Great Reader
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Posted - 09 Aug 2012 : 20:15:14
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As someone who enjoyed a lot of the changes to the Realms over the transition years (from 1998 to 2012) and converses with like minded individuals, I do hope they take into consideration that there are fans of the current, Post-Spellplague Realms and that we're just as interested in seeing the Realms flourish as the next person.
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
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Posted - 09 Aug 2012 : 20:16:14
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Arcanus, you don't trust them, which is understandable; 'they' are on the payroll.
I am not; I have never received a dime from WotC or any other game company (FGU used to pay me in minis). I have an inkling of a certain something: Believe me when I tell you this - things WILL get better.
Just look at the list of people with high hopes. I am not talking about us, I am talking about guys with published credits who we admire and respect. Aside from George's very minor reservations, nearly everyone is excited by the 'new direction'.
At least give it a chance before slamming it with negativity. This is the best news we have heard in 5 years. |
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Hawkins
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Posted - 09 Aug 2012 : 20:25:29
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Originally posted by George Krashos
My only response to that is just seeing Eric Boyd come back to the Realms is reason to be excited.
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Arcanus
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Posted - 09 Aug 2012 : 20:26:28
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WalkerNinja
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 09 Aug 2012 : 20:49:56
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Originally posted by Garen Thal
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Originally posted by Arcanus
Sorry Mark, I completely disagree. If we know who the creators of 4e were then we can prepare ourselves for disappointment if they are involved in 5e.
I would really rather not make this discussion about the 4e Realms at all, but since we've gotten here, I'll make a brief comment. After that, any sniping at past design teams should really move elsewhere. It's unproductive, can frankly get more than a little mean, and is not the topic of this thread. If this becomes a hate-fest, I'll ask the moderators to shut the thread down.
From the 4E design team for Forgotten Realms, many of the staffers (Phil Athans, Rich Baker, Rob Heinsoo, Chris Sims, Logan Bonner) are no longer employed with the company. Others are freelancers who were likely not involved in the major decisions (such decision-making is almost always done in-house). The primary members of the story team right now are Matt and James, who weren't elbow-deep in the 4E transition. Bruce Cordell is on the rules side of D&D production right now, and Greg Bilsland is doing yeoman's work as both a D&D Insider producer and helping to coordinate the D&D Next Playtest.
This is a new design team. And it's a new philosophy. Because I can tell you that the list of freelancers that they spoke to before the 3e-to-4e transition was much shorter, and their responses, I think, were far less pleasant. The fact that we had this meeting at all speaks volumes to me about the future of the Realms. That the six of us non-staffers were all palpably happy to be there, pleased with what we were hearing, and obviously plotting what to do next, is what makes me excited.
This is precisely what I wanted to know. I agree that more 4E bashing is unproductive, but we can manage our expectations about the upcoming edition change by knowing who was involved in changes we didn't like in the past, and who the new guys are.
Knowing that the old team has been disbanded raises my expectations.
Knowing that the new team is conducting themselves very differently than the old team raises my expectations.
My next question (again, looking for answers to manage my expectations) would be, "How would you sum up the new design team?" And by that I mean, what do you perceive as their relationship to the Realms. Are they restoring an antique, renovating a decrepit house, or just updating something that they're already largely pleased with? |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 09 Aug 2012 : 21:03:15
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Your last question can't be answered yet, but I know Brian & Matt James are both committed to producing the finest Realmslore they can, and always have been. They also respect our opinions, and also hold all the 'old designers' in VERY high regard (and will listen to them and us).
Once again, I fully understanding the old adage about 'good intentions' (and the road to hell). I very much feel that could have been applied to 4e as well. The difference here is that instead of a very elite group of people each with their own idea of what the Realms should become, we have a group of guys who know where its been and are willing to listen to everyone who has a worthwhile opinion (and by worthwhile I mean things other then "thats crap!"). The key words here are 4e = 'exclusive', and 5e = 'inclusive'.
And Ed is at the top of the 'inclusive' heap. That right there tells us they at least know where they went wrong the last time. |
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Garen Thal
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 09 Aug 2012 : 21:06:45
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Originally posted by WalkerNinja
My next question (again, looking for answers to manage my expectations) would be, "How would you sum up the new design team?" And by that I mean, what do you perceive as their relationship to the Realms. Are they restoring an antique, renovating a decrepit house, or just updating something that they're already largely pleased with?
I'm not going to answer this question just yet, for three reasons:
1) I don't know for sure who will be on the design team. Other than James and Matt--who are part of the story team, but how large a part, I don't know--I'm not sure who will be involved in the actual design for the Realms.
2) Even if I did know, I won't presume to speak for anyone. Look, let's be honest for just a second: there were a lot of people who are unhappy (to put it mildly) with the 4E Realms. WotC's not blind or deaf to their criticisms, and they're fully aware that not every decision that was made was the best one.
3) I have no interest in spoiling anything about the upcoming announcements. The above already said, what future changes WotC decides to make are theirs to decide, and their motivations are theirs to reveal--if they decide to do so at all.
The Forgotten Realms is the most enduring, most beloved, most detailed campaign setting in gaming. It's also one of the most enduring, most beloved, most detailed, and most popular fantasy settings that's ever been published. The design team is well aware of the special status of the Realms, and--I think I can say without saying too much--is keeping the why of that status in mind as they look at the Realms going forward. |
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sfdragon
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Posted - 09 Aug 2012 : 21:44:24
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The Hidden Lord
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 09 Aug 2012 : 21:45:48
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Originally posted by WalkerNinja
I was just wondering--do we know which designer/author/team came up with the spellplague and the hundred year time line advance?
It is rather comical that no one will acknowledge this question. |
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Dark Wizard
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 09 Aug 2012 : 22:13:02
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Originally posted by The Hidden Lord
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Originally posted by WalkerNinja
I was just wondering--do we know which designer/author/team came up with the spellplague and the hundred year time line advance?
It is rather comical that no one will acknowledge this question.
If you read through the responses you will see this question answered already in this thread. This topic has also been discussed extensively over the last four years on these boards and on other FR related forums. |
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The Hidden Lord
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 09 Aug 2012 : 22:20:47
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Originally posted by Dark Wizard
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Originally posted by The Hidden Lord
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Originally posted by WalkerNinja
I was just wondering--do we know which designer/author/team came up with the spellplague and the hundred year time line advance?
It is rather comical that no one will acknowledge this question.
If you read through the responses you will see this question answered already in this thread. This topic has also been discussed extensively over the last four years on these boards and on other FR related forums.
Incorrect. However, if you can supply the answer to this question, with citation, you are encouraged to do so. |
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore
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Posted - 09 Aug 2012 : 22:31:48
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As one of Ed's longtime players, I have always dealt with the various differences between the published Realms and Ed's infinitely better (because it comes with Ed attached, every moment, and can delve into subplots and intrigues driven in part by we players, and so cater to what we want in terms of roleplaying entertainment) "home" Realms.
I have no special insider information about this latest iteration of the Realms, other than to tell all of you that Ed has literally been writing night and day (around his day job and the everyday demands of life and other projects, of course) for months to provide new Realmslore. Not just for novels and game products and web columns that will have his name on them, but for all sorts of future Realms projects, some of them far beyond what will be announced at GenCon. Heck, as someone who works in a field where putting two and two together and coming up with the right result is our stock-in-trade, I strongly suspect that some of those future projects are going to be discussed (in private) at GenCon.
Ed is excited right now, but then, Ed is a very patient, generous, understanding guy who takes the long view, always. He's always thinking of implications and consequences and different styles of DMing and roleplaying and boardgaming, and catering to everyone. He's never been on staff at TSR or Wizards or any gaming company, but he has always been involved with every iteration of the Realms, in some way or form. And he has always worked on the Realms EVERY DAY, sometimes in ways that will never be published, or that are for individual gamers or DMs or charities or to secretly rescue another writer or designer.
I don't have to worry about MY Realms, because I'm one of the truly lucky ones who get to share in Ed's home Realms. However, I DO trust Ed, perhaps more than any other human being I've ever known.
So if he's pleasantly excited, so am I.
Which means if you listen to what's revealed at GenCon and aren't thrilled, just remember: there's more to come. And all of it crafted by a new team (Hidden Lord, Brian answered the question you allude to, just in a polite and oblique way rather than head on) that I KNOW has a new attitude.
So either trust, or by all means wait and see.
And from the hiatus (of no Realms game releases, followed by a trickle) following two 4e game books that weren't universally well-received, there is only one way to go. Up.
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The Hidden Lord
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 09 Aug 2012 : 22:38:18
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Cortijo or James?
(By-lines now require niceties... Note to self, never work in a genre that is populated by fanbois.) |
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore
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Posted - 09 Aug 2012 : 22:40:01
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Heh. Cortijo .Post of August 9th, 18:53:42.
love,
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Dark Wizard
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 09 Aug 2012 : 22:48:49
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Originally posted by The Hidden Lord
Incorrect. However, if you can supply the answer to this question, with citation, you are encouraged to do so.
As THO mentioned Brian (Garan Thal) answered the question you referred to with the following:
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Originally posted by Garen Thal
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Originally posted by Arcanus
Sorry Mark, I completely disagree. If we know who the creators of 4e were then we can prepare ourselves for disappointment if they are involved in 5e.
I would really rather not make this discussion about the 4e Realms at all, but since we've gotten here, I'll make a brief comment. After that, any sniping at past design teams should really move elsewhere. It's unproductive, can frankly get more than a little mean, and is not the topic of this thread. If this becomes a hate-fest, I'll ask the moderators to shut the thread down.
From the 4E design team for Forgotten Realms, many of the staffers (Phil Athans, Rich Baker, Rob Heinsoo, Chris Sims, Logan Bonner) are no longer employed with the company. Others are freelancers who were likely not involved in the major decisions (such decision-making is almost always done in-house). The primary members of the story team right now are Matt and James, who weren't elbow-deep in the 4E transition. Bruce Cordell is on the rules side of D&D production right now, and Greg Bilsland is doing yeoman's work as both a D&D Insider producer and helping to coordinate the D&D Next Playtest.
This is a new design team. And it's a new philosophy. Because I can tell you that the list of freelancers that they spoke to before the 3e-to-4e transition was much shorter, and their responses, I think, were far less pleasant. The fact that we had this meeting at all speaks volumes to me about the future of the Realms. That the six of us non-staffers were all palpably happy to be there, pleased with what we were hearing, and obviously plotting what to do next, is what makes me excited.
The posts, responses, and discussions further detailing the situation are likely still available on the mentioned forums and blogs. You are encouraged to seek out the primary sources to satisfy your own query. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 09 Aug 2012 : 23:36:30
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Originally posted by The Hidden Lord
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Originally posted by WalkerNinja
I was just wondering--do we know which designer/author/team came up with the spellplague and the hundred year time line advance?
It is rather comical that no one will acknowledge this question.
Judging by Walker's most recent post, it appears the question was addressed to his satisfaction.
And we've also been told that the 4E design team is not part of the 5E design team.
So it's rather irrelevant to this discussion, and there's no need to pursue it. |
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Dalor Darden
Great Reader
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Posted - 09 Aug 2012 : 23:41:05
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Originally posted by Arcanus
Sorry Markus, I completely disagree. If we know who the creators of 4e were then we can prepare ourselves for disappointment if they are involved in 5e.
Or, we can hope that those who make mistakes learn from them and do better after... |
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Arcanus
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Posted - 10 Aug 2012 : 00:37:05
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Dalor Darden
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Posted - 10 Aug 2012 : 00:52:10
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| I'm only talking about the company and not individuals...my apology for not stating that clearly. |
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Arcanus
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Gabrielle_H
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Posted - 10 Aug 2012 : 01:26:51
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Originally posted by The Hooded One
I have no special insider information about this latest iteration of the Realms, other than to tell all of you that Ed has literally been writing night and day (around his day job and the everyday demands of life and other projects, of course) for months to provide new Realmslore.
I can confirm this as well, having been working closely with Ed on WHEN THE VILLAIN COMES HOME for the last 8 months or so. Though he hasn't always been able to tell me what he's working on, he's told me about his deadlines so that we could work on the anthology around and between those other projects. Scheduling has been much more complicated than it was last year while we worked on the first anthology.
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Ed is excited right now, but then, Ed is a very patient, generous, understanding guy who takes the long view, always. He's always thinking of implications and consequences and different styles of DMing and roleplaying and boardgaming, and catering to everyone.
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So if he's pleasantly excited, so am I.
This.
As I have also observed repeatedly to those who ask, Ed really is the most generous, considerate, and amiable guy. He never speaks a bad word about anyone, but he speaks of people and events in two ways: fondly, or diplomatically. If Ed is excited about the direction of the Realms, then I expect things are going in interesting places that will open up a lot of potential for play. At the very least, it's always encouraging and heartwarming to see him pleased that his brainchild is in good hands.
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Faraer
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Posted - 10 Aug 2012 : 01:34:16
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The way travelled last time was an extreme, perhaps even desperate response to a very specific and severe business situation. If it no longer holds, we shouldn't expect a similar approach.
That, and Ed hasn't before misled us. |
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ericlboyd
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Posted - 10 Aug 2012 : 01:39:10
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What I love the most about the Realms is the stories one can tell, the adventures one can have, and the history that weaves it all together.
There's no way that the 5e Realms will satisfy every last fan of the setting. That's just impossible. But, I can hope that the next iteration of the campaign setting will treat the Realms well, will respect Ed's vision, and will be the very best the designers can make it. No promises, but I'm hopeful.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 10 Aug 2012 : 02:08:49
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Originally posted by Garen Thal
I would really rather not make this discussion about the 4e Realms at all, but since we've gotten here, I'll make a brief comment. After that, any sniping at past design teams should really move elsewhere. It's unproductive, can frankly get more than a little mean, and is not the topic of this thread. If this becomes a hate-fest, I'll ask the moderators to shut the thread down.
I'd rather it not come to that, personally. But, unfortuntely, that is the reality of Realms discussions these days -- that the vocal ramblings of those few in discontent, feel the need to disturb what can, and properly should be, a worthwhile and productive discussion.
Needless to say, you've my promise, as always Brian, that this will not occur here.
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As long-time scribes of Candlekeep themselves know, I've long championed the cause of having every scribe being able to constructively put forth their own opinions. That's why I'm always so very hesitant to seal any scroll -- even when the discontent I referencd above, rears it's head in a discussion.
Regardless, I think we should all take another look at Garen's opening post, and review what he's said about those who are involved in what's coming for the Realms at GenCon.
In his own words, there's every reason to feel that "These are exciting times for the Forgotten Realms, folks. Get ready. Get excited."
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 10 Aug 2012 : 02:10:18
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Originally posted by The Hooded One
Ed is excited right now, but then, Ed is a very patient, generous, understanding guy who takes the long view, always. He's always thinking of implications and consequences and different styles of DMing and roleplaying and boardgaming, and catering to everyone. He's never been on staff at TSR or Wizards or any gaming company, but he has always been involved with every iteration of the Realms, in some way or form. And he has always worked on the Realms EVERY DAY, sometimes in ways that will never be published, or that are for individual gamers or DMs or charities or to secretly rescue another writer or designer.
I don't have to worry about MY Realms, because I'm one of the truly lucky ones who get to share in Ed's home Realms. However, I DO trust Ed, perhaps more than any other human being I've ever known.
So if he's pleasantly excited, so am I.
Sound advice, Lady Hooded One. And advice that we should all take to our hearts and minds.
Because if Ed's excited, then I'm excited. 'Nuff said. |
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