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sfdragon
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Jorkens
Great Reader
Norway
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 Posted - 25 Jun 2012 : 18:02:01
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Smart move. I wonder if they will leave the 4ed. in print in some way to?
Now if they could only re-release the brown books, those are the only ones I am missing that I am really interested in. The prices for the originals are ridiculous and the clones are just not the same. |
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Ayrik
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 25 Jun 2012 : 18:04:02
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| I'll ask the obvious question. Why jump from 1E to 3.5E, skipping 2E and 3E reprints? |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 25 Jun 2012 : 18:06:29
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Originally posted by Ayrik
I'll ask the obvious question. Why jump from 1E to 3.5E, skipping 2E and 3E reprints?
It's an odd strategy, but perhaps it's a form of testing the waters? |
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Irennan
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Italy
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Posted - 25 Jun 2012 : 18:06:45
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| I wonder why do they reprint old versions of rules (which you can easily find on the SRD) and not of settings... |
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Jorkens
Great Reader
Norway
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Posted - 25 Jun 2012 : 18:07:07
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Maybe because the world hasn't gotten over the idiotic bs that was spread about 2nd.ed. yet? Or maybe they both are just to like the more classic editions they already have decided to reprint. But you never know, if this works maybe they will return all versions in some way or another.
And more adventures for Star Frontiers please. |
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Therise
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 25 Jun 2012 : 18:07:13
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That's very interesting, color me a bit surprised.
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Diffan
Great Reader
USA
4460 Posts |
Posted - 25 Jun 2012 : 18:07:20
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Because 3E has a lot of internal problems that 3.5 supposedly fixed. The reprints are done with all the Errata they've made for that edition incorporated.
But really, it's a complete waste of money.
All of the information, barring WotC specific IP stuff from the Monster Manual like the Beholder, is for free on the d20srd so why would i buy stuff I can just access for free?? |
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Apex
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 25 Jun 2012 : 18:07:45
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Originally posted by Ayrik
I'll ask the obvious question. Why jump from 1E to 3.5E, skipping 2E and 3E reprints?
One of two things likely.
1) They have had issues with getting first reprinted due to a lack of formatting (from what I have heard) a similar issue may be with 2nd.
2) Popularity. It may be that 1st and 3.5 are the most popular out of print editions and they want to capture those sales first. |
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Jorkens
Great Reader
Norway
2950 Posts |
Posted - 25 Jun 2012 : 18:09:22
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Originally posted by Diffan
Because 3E has a lot of internal problems that 3.5 supposedly fixed. The reprints are done with all the Errata they've made for that edition incorporated.
But really, it's a complete waste of money.
All of the information, barring WotC specific IP stuff from the Monster Manual like the Beholder, is for free on the d20srd so why would i buy stuff I can just access for free??
Because some people still like books?
But it will be interesting how the 1st. ed. books competes with the clones that are available in print already. |
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idilippy
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 25 Jun 2012 : 18:12:19
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| Just popped on and took the survey at the bottom. While the core 3.5e books are useless to me there are supplements I wouldn't mind picking up if released. My hope, a forlorn nearly hopeless hope, is that if these re-releases do well WotC might reverse their policy on old edition pdfs. There are so many Planescape and FR titles out there that I would happily buy from WotC if they just offered them. |
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Diffan
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 25 Jun 2012 : 18:18:24
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Originally posted by Jorkens
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Originally posted by Diffan
Because 3E has a lot of internal problems that 3.5 supposedly fixed. The reprints are done with all the Errata they've made for that edition incorporated.
But really, it's a complete waste of money.
All of the information, barring WotC specific IP stuff from the Monster Manual like the Beholder, is for free on the d20srd so why would i buy stuff I can just access for free??
Because some people still like books?
But it will be interesting how the 1st. ed. books competes with the clones that are available in print already.
I guess, but it would depend on how much they're charging for me to consider buying them. But I guess some people like books just to have them *shrugs* |
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
USA
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Posted - 25 Jun 2012 : 18:20:28
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Originally posted by Ayrik
I'll ask the obvious question. Why jump from 1E to 3.5E, skipping 2E and 3E reprints?
Just guessing here, but I'd bet they did a survey to see what versions of the games people liked the most. Probably these showed up as the favorites. The second guess would be that the people that liked 2nd edition maybe favored third edition even more. |
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Jorkens
Great Reader
Norway
2950 Posts |
Posted - 25 Jun 2012 : 18:21:46
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Originally posted by Diffan
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Originally posted by Jorkens
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Originally posted by Diffan
Because 3E has a lot of internal problems that 3.5 supposedly fixed. The reprints are done with all the Errata they've made for that edition incorporated.
But really, it's a complete waste of money.
All of the information, barring WotC specific IP stuff from the Monster Manual like the Beholder, is for free on the d20srd so why would i buy stuff I can just access for free??
Because some people still like books?
But it will be interesting how the 1st. ed. books competes with the clones that are available in print already.
I guess, but it would depend on how much they're charging for me to consider buying them. But I guess some people like books just to have them *shrugs*
Or because we just cant read that much on a pc screen. It is probably a generation thing, but older editions may aim at older gamers that prefer physical books? |
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Jorkens
Great Reader
Norway
2950 Posts |
Posted - 25 Jun 2012 : 18:24:41
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Originally posted by sleyvas
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Originally posted by Ayrik
I'll ask the obvious question. Why jump from 1E to 3.5E, skipping 2E and 3E reprints?
The second guess would be that the people that liked 2nd edition maybe favored third edition even more.
No, it was more that the holdouts were attempted browbeaten into believing they were idiots for not moving forward or for not staying with 1st.ed.
OK, I am over dramatising here. But I have read one ridiculous claim about 2nd. ed. to many throughout the years. |
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Jeremy Grenemyer
Great Reader
USA
2717 Posts |
Posted - 25 Jun 2012 : 18:40:30
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Just took the survey.
For me not enough time has passed to view the 3E era books with any sort of nostalgia. |
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Brimstone
Great Reader
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Posted - 25 Jun 2012 : 19:10:36
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Dalor Darden
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 25 Jun 2012 : 19:41:17
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Hehehehe...I said they would do this.
They are indeed testing the waters.
I think the reason they are skipping 2e right now is that it isn't really being skipped.
They may have planned a 3.5 publication, then a 2e publication, and a 1e publication came simply before the idea occured to them to re-release older material because Gary died and they wanted to make a tribute to him.
They have had so many pre-orders for the 1e books that they have had to push back publication and also expand it overseas. It isn't foolish of them to think that the same MAY happen for other editions.
Business is business...I'm glad they are moving towards a different business idea; and I can now see also why they removed the free for download content on their site. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36877 Posts |
Posted - 25 Jun 2012 : 19:56:35
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| I'm not sure if I'll buy the 3.5 books... I'm definitely getting the 1E ones; I really liked those books. And if they redo the 2E books, I'd buy them in a heartbeat. I've said more than once that I grew up in 2E, and still think of gaming stuff in 2E terms... The only reason I'm iffy on the 3.5 books is because they're recent enough that it's not terribly difficult to replace them. It's a different story for 1E and 2E. Heck, I've had to resign myself to the fact I'll never be able to replace my original copy of the DDG -- all the copies I've seen available, of late, were going for way too much and weren't in anywhere near as good a condition as the one I had. |
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Hawkins
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Posted - 25 Jun 2012 : 20:27:15
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| I find it odd that they skipped 2e. I also will not pay "premium" prices for books that I can get online. Though there are some 3.5 era books where the selling price online has jumped above $50. |
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Therise
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 25 Jun 2012 : 20:38:36
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No reason for me to buy them. Some people who collect might like that aspect of them (gilt page edges), but I already own a set of 3 and 3.5E. And as others said, errata are available for free.
Pathfinder, though I didn't get into it at all, supposedly fixes various mechanical issues and effectively replaces 3.5 (right?), so I'm not quite sure who their target market is for this. Maybe really old-timers who never made the jump to 2E or 3E? Or people who have lost or sold their old books?
Seems like a gamble, really.
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Diffan
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Posted - 25 Jun 2012 : 21:12:51
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Originally posted by Therise
Pathfinder, though I didn't get into it at all, supposedly fixes various mechanical issues and effectively replaces 3.5 (right?),
meh, it's debatable. Non-magical classes get a boost in terms of some good features and it's a far more modular system than v3.5 because each class has a ton of alternative class features to choose from. Additionally, they made most of the Core classes stronger thus limting the requirement of Prestige Classes in the game. But they don't fix quadratic wizards, linear fighters. They don't fix most of the problematic spells that are in the game, and they kept the BAB system which is arguably one of the worst ways in which to differentiate a good combat class from a poor one. But I think it's a good system overall and easily compatable with most of the v3.5 material. They have their own SRD site called d20pfsrd that pretty much lists everything you could want or use for running a Pathfinder game (including 3PP content).
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so I'm not quite sure who their target market is for this. Maybe really old-timers who never made the jump to 2E or 3E? Or people who have lost or sold their old books?
Seems like a gamble, really.
I'm not sure about who they're targeting too, but it's not really a gamble. Since they have all the prints for the stuff, I'm assuming that it doesn't cost that much to reprint them and they can print a little bit, sell what they want and either go ahead with more stuff or stop if the demand gets low. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 25 Jun 2012 : 22:41:03
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Originally posted by Diffan
I'm not sure about who they're targeting too, but it's not really a gamble. Since they have all the prints for the stuff, I'm assuming that it doesn't cost that much to reprint them and they can print a little bit, sell what they want and either go ahead with more stuff or stop if the demand gets low.
There's also the printing and distribution costs, which are the larger part part of publication expenses. If people don't buy the books, WotC loses money. |
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Kiaransalyn
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Posted - 25 Jun 2012 : 23:08:21
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Originally posted by Ayrik
I'll ask the obvious question. Why jump from 1E to 3.5E, skipping 2E and 3E reprints?
That's a debate and a half. My own guess is that WotC want to explore the concept of supporting several editions maybe? After all, 3.5 is theirs, and it was popular. Pathfinder's success demonstrates that. However, reading Jason Buhlman's (sorry if I've spelt his name wrong) comments in Kobold Q' #10 it seems that one of Pathfinder's aims was to continue support for 3.5.
But maybe this is a question of whether folks hate the newer edition or the company. If there is a reasonable uptake on the 3.5 stuff, they may assume they can do some 'back-tracking' and recapture lost ground.
It's all speculation though. |
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Therise
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Posted - 25 Jun 2012 : 23:43:11
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Just occurred to me... didn't they offer fancy leather-bound 3.5 core books 5-6 years ago?
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Diffan
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Posted - 25 Jun 2012 : 23:44:14
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Diffan
I'm not sure about who they're targeting too, but it's not really a gamble. Since they have all the prints for the stuff, I'm assuming that it doesn't cost that much to reprint them and they can print a little bit, sell what they want and either go ahead with more stuff or stop if the demand gets low.
There's also the printing and distribution costs, which are the larger part part of publication expenses. If people don't buy the books, WotC loses money.
Still, I have relative confidence that WotC wouldn't release a product without having some understanding of how much to print, who might buy it, and how much profit they'll gain. I personally have two copies of the v3.5 PHB so I really don't think I need another one, even if it has the revised Errata. Although there are collectors out there that revel in this sort of thing, so it might be right up their alley. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 26 Jun 2012 : 02:58:57
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http://www.wizards.com/DnD/Article.aspx?x=dnd/4news/20120625
seems 3.5 is getting a reprint, nothing FR sure... but it could be placed in the coment section
It's an interesting move.
My guess is, because the D&D Next Playtest material is showing so much love for particular aspects of the 3e/3.5e rules-set, Wizards might be on the path to establishing something of an easier path for those newcomers who may be unfamiliar with the past rules, to "catch up" so to speak... and become more accustomed to how these new rules will evolve. |
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The Sage
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Posted - 26 Jun 2012 : 03:02:47
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Originally posted by Ayrik
I'll ask the obvious question. Why jump from 1E to 3.5E, skipping 2E and 3E reprints?
Testing the waters, perhaps?
It's understandable for Wizards to reprint the 1e rulebooks. They're celebrating the origins of the game's foundations.
Reprinting the 3e rules, rather than the 2e rules, would seem more inclined toward celebrating the popularity of the 3e rules, and, perhaps, encouraging those past players/DMs who moved on from D&D when the 4e rules were published, and "luring" them back with the promise of something they'll be interested in. Plus, it's a nice little "stepping stone" toward what's been revealed about the D&D Next rules so far. |
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Diffan
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Posted - 26 Jun 2012 : 04:17:55
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Originally posted by The Sage
Reprinting the 3e rules, rather than the 2e rules, would seem more inclined toward celebrating the popularity of the 3e rules, and, perhaps, encouraging those past players/DMs who moved on from D&D when the 4e rules were published, and "luring" them back with the promise of something they'll be interested in. Plus, it's a nice little "stepping stone" toward what's been revealed about the D&D Next rules so far.
I haven't really seen anything in the Playtest packet or discussion on the Playtest that have any linking to a 3E-style game. They've said they want to make the Multiclass system more on-par from what we saw with 3E, which to me means a level-by-level progression where you can take 4 levels of Fighter, then 2 levels of Rogue and then back to 2 more levels of Fighter. They also said they liked the balance 4E brought to Multiclassing, with a feeling of 'dabbling' instead of getting all the class features up front and whole-hog.
Aside from that though, there's not much in D&D:Next that 3E can really claim. No BAB or THAC0 progression, no more Derived Saving Throws, no point-by-point skill allotments, no hard-coded Alignment rules featured into Class design or Spell Design (supposedly). So I think their hope is to get people to buy stuff that they might have misplaced, sold, or have worn out over the years. If v3.5 is as successful as many people claim, their PHBs and MMs and DMGs must be worn out pretty hard over the last decade, so now's a good chance to grab them brand new, special equipped with full errata and a nice binding. Still, hard to consider an expensive price when we have free online tools. |
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The Sage
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Posted - 26 Jun 2012 : 06:45:50
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Originally posted by Diffan
I haven't really seen anything in the Playtest packet or discussion on the Playtest that have any linking to a 3E-style game.
I'm not implying a link back to 3e-style games being incorporated into the D&D Next Playtest material. Merely noting, from my own experiences with the Playtest data, that there are moments when the "feeling of 3e" appears to shine through in some of the ways in which the rules and Playtest material has been formulated.
It's obvious that the folks behind the development of D&D Next have a real love for the strengths of the game from past editions. And I see a lot of love for 3e in these new Playtest rules. |
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Markustay
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Posted - 26 Jun 2012 : 14:37:10
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| I take this as a very positive thing - they are proving that they intend to support all editions/eras of play. |
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