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Tanthalas
Senior Scribe
Portugal
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 Posted - 02 Jun 2012 : 00:37:12
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Well, I finally got a response from WotC about the availability of eBooks over here.
"After doing research on this, it appears that is not available at this time. The novels team is aware of this fact, and hopes to have this corrected in the future."
Hopefully this is corrected in the near future and not distant future. |
Sir Markham pointed out, drinking another brandy. "A chap who can point at you and say 'die' has the distinct advantage". |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31799 Posts |
Posted - 02 Jun 2012 : 01:27:03
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Originally posted by Tanthalas
Well, I finally got a response from WotC about the availability of eBooks over here.
"After doing research on this, it appears that is not available at this time. The novels team is aware of this fact, and hopes to have this corrected in the future."
Hopefully this is corrected in the near future and not distant future.
I'd be interested to learn more about this "research," and how, exactly, it was conducted.
For instance, I'm curious about just how far Wizards' have looked into the fact that overseas customers -- which was, at one time, a significant market for WotC fiction -- are now denied access to that very same fiction.
I appreciate that they are aware of this fact. But saying that it "is not available at this time" isn't really much of a comfort to those millions of international customers who now no longer have the opportunity to look forward to a new Realms novel release, or whatever over fiction Wizards' decides to publish in e-book format.
Does that mean that they have no interest in developing their availability for e-fiction for an overseas market, or that they just don't have either the technology or understanding to handle the disctribution? Because I'm confused on how it can be so easy for the folks at Paizo -- to distribute their e-fiction overseas -- or even new BATTLETECH fiction, via BattleCorps, to international customers like myself, and yet Wizards' claim their own service is not available at this time. Is it because they are working with Amazon? If that's the case, then perhaps they should look into the same methods of electronic fiction distribution that both Paizo and BattleCorps employ -- publishing their e-fiction through their own site. |
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
4598 Posts |
Posted - 02 Jun 2012 : 02:04:34
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Sage, I encourage you to express your feedback to WotC directly. Email me if you like and I'll forward your thoughts on.
Cheers |
Erik Scott de Bie
'Tis easier to destroy than to create.
Author of a number of Realms novels (GHOSTWALKER, DEPTHS OF MADNESS, and the SHADOWBANE series), contributor to the NEVERWINTER CAMPAIGN GUIDE and SHADOWFELL: GLOOMWROUGHT AND BEYOND, Twitch DM of the Dungeon Scrawlers, currently playing "The Westgate Irregulars" |
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Tanthalas
Senior Scribe
Portugal
508 Posts |
Posted - 02 Jun 2012 : 02:34:37
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Originally posted by The Sage
[quote]Originally posted by Tanthalas
I'd be interested to learn more about this "research," and how, exactly, it was conducted.
Well, it took them over two weeks to respond to me. I imagine the research started with: "Where's Portugal?"
Its hard to understand why their eBooks are available on amazon.com, but not on amazon.co.uk
I did leave some feedback, but...
The aggravating parts of all this are:
1. I never had issues buying physical releases of novels.
2. There apparently isn't a deadline for this problem to be resolved.
I know that Portugal is an insignificant market, but apparently this is affecting most of the people living outside North America. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 02 Jun 2012 : 03:08:30
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
Sage, I encourage you to express your feedback to WotC directly. Email me if you like and I'll forward your thoughts on.
Cheers
I appreciate the offer, Erik. Thank you.
Let me bring some greater coherence to my current thoughts on the issue -- along with a few brief personal insights I've managed to garner from one of my friends in the BattleCorps e-fiction distribution division -- and I'll send them along to you.
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ElaineCunningham
Forgotten Realms Author
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Posted - 02 Jun 2012 : 18:00:43
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Originally posted by The Sage
quote:
Originally posted by Tanthalas
Well, I finally got a response from WotC about the availability of eBooks over here.
"After doing research on this, it appears that is not available at this time. The novels team is aware of this fact, and hopes to have this corrected in the future."
Hopefully this is corrected in the near future and not distant future.
I'd be interested to learn more about this "research," and how, exactly, it was conducted.
For instance, I'm curious about just how far Wizards' have looked into the fact that overseas customers -- which was, at one time, a significant market for WotC fiction -- are now denied access to that very same fiction.
I appreciate that they are aware of this fact. But saying that it "is not available at this time" isn't really much of a comfort to those millions of international customers who now no longer have the opportunity to look forward to a new Realms novel release, or whatever over fiction Wizards' decides to publish in e-book format.
Does that mean that they have no interest in developing their availability for e-fiction for an overseas market, or that they just don't have either the technology or understanding to handle the disctribution? Because I'm confused on how it can be so easy for the folks at Paizo -- to distribute their e-fiction overseas -- or even new BATTLETECH fiction, via BattleCorps, to international customers like myself, and yet Wizards' claim their own service is not available at this time. Is it because they are working with Amazon? If that's the case, then perhaps they should look into the same methods of electronic fiction distribution that both Paizo and BattleCorps employ -- publishing their e-fiction through their own site.
Sage, to the best of my knowledge, Paizo has not yet licensed the Pathfinder Tales line to overseas publishers. TSR/WotC, on the other hand, has made deals with many publishers for translation and distribution. I do not know the details of these deals, but I would not be surprised to learn that distribution of ebooks via Amazon.com is limited by the terms of some agreements.
This much I can tell you: As a writer, when I upload an ebook to Amazon.com, I have to affirm that I have sole distribution rights. I assume publishers must do the same. You can check "worldwide rights," or you can go through a huge list and check countries and territories individually. If you do NOT have sole distribution rights in an area, then your ebooks aren't available there. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31799 Posts |
Posted - 03 Jun 2012 : 01:57:42
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Originally posted by ElaineCunningham
Sage, to the best of my knowledge, Paizo has not yet licensed the Pathfinder Tales line to overseas publishers. TSR/WotC, on the other hand, has made deals with many publishers for translation and distribution. I do not know the details of these deals, but I would not be surprised to learn that distribution of ebooks via Amazon.com is limited by the terms of some agreements.
That's a strange fact about Paizo, because looking over what I can and cannot order from their site, I see that purchasing a PDF or e-pub of any of the PATHFINDER TALES books, is clearly an option open for me. Mind, I still haven't actually purchased one, so I'm not sure whether the site would allow me to complete the transaction because I am an overseas customer.
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This much I can tell you: As a writer, when I upload an ebook to Amazon.com, I have to affirm that I have sole distribution rights. I assume publishers must do the same. You can check "worldwide rights," or you can go through a huge list and check countries and territories individually. If you do NOT have sole distribution rights in an area, then your ebooks aren't available there.
Ah, okay. Interesting. So, as it seems, now, that Australia, and most other SE Asian locales, aren't listed in the "worldwide rights," currently for countries open to receiving Wizards' e-fiction. |
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Sightless
Senior Scribe
USA
608 Posts |
Posted - 03 Jun 2012 : 04:07:57
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Originally posted by The Sage
quote:
Originally posted by Tanthalas
Well, I finally got a response from WotC about the availability of eBooks over here.
"After doing research on this, it appears that is not available at this time. The novels team is aware of this fact, and hopes to have this corrected in the future."
Hopefully this is corrected in the near future and not distant future.
I'd be interested to learn more about this "research," and how, exactly, it was conducted.
For instance, I'm curious about just how far Wizards' have looked into the fact that overseas customers -- which was, at one time, a significant market for WotC fiction -- are now denied access to that very same fiction.
I appreciate that they are aware of this fact. But saying that it "is not available at this time" isn't really much of a comfort to those millions of international customers who now no longer have the opportunity to look forward to a new Realms novel release, or whatever over fiction Wizards' decides to publish in e-book format.
Does that mean that they have no interest in developing their availability for e-fiction for an overseas market, or that they just don't have either the technology or understanding to handle the disctribution? Because I'm confused on how it can be so easy for the folks at Paizo -- to distribute their e-fiction overseas -- or even new BATTLETECH fiction, via BattleCorps, to international customers like myself, and yet Wizards' claim their own service is not available at this time. Is it because they are working with Amazon? If that's the case, then perhaps they should look into the same methods of electronic fiction distribution that both Paizo and BattleCorps employ -- publishing their e-fiction through their own site.
They have a contract with Lightcom unlimited. No, this isn't a joke, that's the name of a company, that's only got four customers, and handles all their electronic publishing. WOTC is with another publisher, who they are currently in a suit with for breach of contract. The other company, not WOTC, which they can't brake with until the suit is handled, which is part of, but not all of the problem.
If you wish to read all about it, pick up volume 33 of the Journal of U.S. Mediator, it's in there. As I mediate for a living, I get it regularly. |
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
4598 Posts |
Posted - 03 Jun 2012 : 04:40:46
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Interesting! Tell us more, Sightless. Are there links to web articles we could check out?
Cheers |
Erik Scott de Bie
'Tis easier to destroy than to create.
Author of a number of Realms novels (GHOSTWALKER, DEPTHS OF MADNESS, and the SHADOWBANE series), contributor to the NEVERWINTER CAMPAIGN GUIDE and SHADOWFELL: GLOOMWROUGHT AND BEYOND, Twitch DM of the Dungeon Scrawlers, currently playing "The Westgate Irregulars" |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31799 Posts |
Posted - 03 Jun 2012 : 05:46:32
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
Interesting! Tell us more, Sightless. Are there links to web articles we could check out?
Cheers
Indeed.
Sightless, does the Journal also publish online?
I'd like to read more about this |
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Sightless
Senior Scribe
USA
608 Posts |
Posted - 03 Jun 2012 : 13:59:37
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| Unfortunately, it's not an electronic journal yet, it's kind of new. I get it in audio as the publisher has a connection to the Library of congress and as such the library transfers it into audio. I'll be busy today, but will see what I can track down as far as further information goes, and send it everyones way as time permitts. |
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Tanthalas
Senior Scribe
Portugal
508 Posts |
Posted - 03 Jun 2012 : 18:30:46
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Well, I wasn't expecting that WotC is having legal problems with their electronic publisher.
I know that a Portuguese company is currently printing some of R.A. Salvatore's works, but I'd be really surprised if they had the rights to all FR novels. |
Sir Markham pointed out, drinking another brandy. "A chap who can point at you and say 'die' has the distinct advantage". |
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Sightless
Senior Scribe
USA
608 Posts |
Posted - 04 Jun 2012 : 14:43:45
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I apprecitate everyone’s patients. What I know, without having to type up a huge amount of information is the suit is a contested breach of contract. Appearently, the distributor sent books to a country, where is not stated, where full ownership is less clear. Keep in mind that other countries often vary widely on rights, especially when the format is electronic, which is an entire issue unto itself, but I digress. WOTC is stating in the suit the company was outside it’s bounds and wishes to end the contract before the termination date. The company disagrees, and so is contesting the suit.
The article that I got this from was primarily interested in dealing with overseas mediations and their complexity, which is something I deal with regularly, so that what’s got me interested in the first place. As of yet, I cannot find any other mention of it anywhere else, but that’s not entirely uncommon with large company contract disputes. They like to keep a tight lip on them. I shall continue to monitor to the best of my ability and update whenever possible. Again I thank you all for your patients, respectfully, Sightless.
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We choose to live a lie, when we see with, & not through the eye.
Every decision, no matter the evidence, is a leap of faith; if it were not, then it wouldn't be a choice at all. |
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Tren of Twilight Tower
Seeker
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Posted - 10 Jul 2012 : 06:53:56
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| I am happy to hear that a new novel is coming our way, Erik. Downshadow has turned my head your way and I have been fan ever since. Keep them coming! |
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
4598 Posts |
Posted - 10 Jul 2012 : 06:59:39
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I certainly hope to do so, Tren. Shadowbane's story has a few more books in it, at least. 
Cheers |
Erik Scott de Bie
'Tis easier to destroy than to create.
Author of a number of Realms novels (GHOSTWALKER, DEPTHS OF MADNESS, and the SHADOWBANE series), contributor to the NEVERWINTER CAMPAIGN GUIDE and SHADOWFELL: GLOOMWROUGHT AND BEYOND, Twitch DM of the Dungeon Scrawlers, currently playing "The Westgate Irregulars" |
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
4598 Posts |
Posted - 10 Jul 2012 : 07:00:27
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I also want to stop by and say that plans are being hatched for an extra special treat in re: Eye of Justice. Stay tuned!
Cheers |
Erik Scott de Bie
'Tis easier to destroy than to create.
Author of a number of Realms novels (GHOSTWALKER, DEPTHS OF MADNESS, and the SHADOWBANE series), contributor to the NEVERWINTER CAMPAIGN GUIDE and SHADOWFELL: GLOOMWROUGHT AND BEYOND, Twitch DM of the Dungeon Scrawlers, currently playing "The Westgate Irregulars" |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31799 Posts |
Posted - 10 Jul 2012 : 15:24:52
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
I also want to stop by and say that plans are being hatched for an extra special treat in re: Eye of Justice. Stay tuned!
Cheers
Oooo! I'm hoping it's free e-fiction. Because that's probably the only way I'm going to be able to enjoy anything related to Eye of Justice.
For the time being, hehe... |
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 10 Jul 2012 : 15:54:13
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
I also want to stop by and say that plans are being hatched for an extra special treat in re: Eye of Justice. Stay tuned!
Cheers
Don't forget the Easter egss  |
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 19 Aug 2012 : 00:41:14
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Just a tad over two weeks.....man the calendar moves slow! But we are close.
I had meant to ask Erik if he could say any more about the extra special treat, but I totally lost that thought when I saw him.
I'm especially looking forward to Erik's usually numerous eviscerations  |
A little nonsense now and then, relished by the wisest men - Willy Wonka
"We need men who can dream of things that never were." -
John F. Kennedy, speech in Dublin, Ireland, June 28, 1963
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Tanthalas
Senior Scribe
Portugal
508 Posts |
Posted - 28 Aug 2012 : 15:56:38
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| Well I saw on Paul S Kemp's website that apparently WotC finally made a new contract for the international distribution of its e-books. I hope those surface soon and include past titles. |
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
4598 Posts |
Posted - 28 Aug 2012 : 16:19:59
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That's the hope!
Cheers |
Erik Scott de Bie
'Tis easier to destroy than to create.
Author of a number of Realms novels (GHOSTWALKER, DEPTHS OF MADNESS, and the SHADOWBANE series), contributor to the NEVERWINTER CAMPAIGN GUIDE and SHADOWFELL: GLOOMWROUGHT AND BEYOND, Twitch DM of the Dungeon Scrawlers, currently playing "The Westgate Irregulars" |
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
4598 Posts |
Posted - 29 Aug 2012 : 16:53:04
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Sample chapter (really the prologue and chapter 1) is up for free at the WotC site:
Shadowbane: Eye of Justice, prologue and chapter 1
Cheers |
Erik Scott de Bie
'Tis easier to destroy than to create.
Author of a number of Realms novels (GHOSTWALKER, DEPTHS OF MADNESS, and the SHADOWBANE series), contributor to the NEVERWINTER CAMPAIGN GUIDE and SHADOWFELL: GLOOMWROUGHT AND BEYOND, Twitch DM of the Dungeon Scrawlers, currently playing "The Westgate Irregulars" |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
USA
3567 Posts |
Posted - 30 Aug 2012 : 04:16:59
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
Sample chapter (really the prologue and chapter 1) is up for free at the WotC site:
Shadowbane: Eye of Justice, prologue and chapter 1
Cheers
Oh, it's tempting, but I really don't want to spoil anything... especially if international distribution of Wizards e-books is now becoming a reality. 
But it's really, really good |
A little nonsense now and then, relished by the wisest men - Willy Wonka
"We need men who can dream of things that never were." -
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
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Posted - 31 Aug 2012 : 16:37:51
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Just wanna say, the novel's out next week. Happy reading!
Cheers |
Erik Scott de Bie
'Tis easier to destroy than to create.
Author of a number of Realms novels (GHOSTWALKER, DEPTHS OF MADNESS, and the SHADOWBANE series), contributor to the NEVERWINTER CAMPAIGN GUIDE and SHADOWFELL: GLOOMWROUGHT AND BEYOND, Twitch DM of the Dungeon Scrawlers, currently playing "The Westgate Irregulars" |
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Gustaveren
Learned Scribe
Denmark
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Posted - 01 Sep 2012 : 12:59:24
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I believe, that WOTC will have to improve their e-book policy, if they want to compete with Baen in the market for fantasy and science fiction e-books
http://www.BaenEbooks.com
1) They sell you the E-book but you can choose yourself what formats you want to download it in after you have brought it and those formats include pdf and html
2) 4 months before the release of the hardcover do they offer E-Arcs, there is basically the book before final proof-reading. They sell those for less than the price of the hardcover in the shops. An E-Arc from Baen will usually cost me a little bit less than the paperback will cost in the shops in Denmark. |
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
4598 Posts |
Posted - 01 Sep 2012 : 16:09:10
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Thanks, but this is irrelevant to my book. You should post this in the ebook thread or convey this info to WotC directly.
Cheers |
Erik Scott de Bie
'Tis easier to destroy than to create.
Author of a number of Realms novels (GHOSTWALKER, DEPTHS OF MADNESS, and the SHADOWBANE series), contributor to the NEVERWINTER CAMPAIGN GUIDE and SHADOWFELL: GLOOMWROUGHT AND BEYOND, Twitch DM of the Dungeon Scrawlers, currently playing "The Westgate Irregulars" |
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Gustaveren
Learned Scribe
Denmark
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Posted - 01 Sep 2012 : 16:27:11
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The Red Walker
Great Reader
USA
3567 Posts |
Posted - 04 Sep 2012 : 21:07:32
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| Two chapters in and already questions answered, more asked and many familiar faces.... |
A little nonsense now and then, relished by the wisest men - Willy Wonka
"We need men who can dream of things that never were." -
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
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Posted - 04 Sep 2012 : 21:46:32
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I created a bookclub thread for the book, so if you have actual questions about the events in the novel, go there to ask. Post what chapters you're referring to, so people can avoid spoiling what they haven't got to yet.
http://forum.candlekeep.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=16921
Cheers |
Erik Scott de Bie
'Tis easier to destroy than to create.
Author of a number of Realms novels (GHOSTWALKER, DEPTHS OF MADNESS, and the SHADOWBANE series), contributor to the NEVERWINTER CAMPAIGN GUIDE and SHADOWFELL: GLOOMWROUGHT AND BEYOND, Twitch DM of the Dungeon Scrawlers, currently playing "The Westgate Irregulars" |
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Shadowbane: Eye of Justice (September 2012)
