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Nicolai Withander
Master of Realmslore
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 Posted - 06 May 2012 : 10:26:59
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Hi...
What would be a good kind of creature for a mature adult white dragon to keep as pets or servants or protectors???
THX
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Jeremy Grenemyer
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 06 May 2012 : 16:19:08
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I was thinking monstrously huge polar bears or maybe an ice-devil or two.
If the dragon caught some dwarves or orcs above ground out in the cold, it might have frozen them to death with its breath weapon so maybe its taken the time to animate each frozen corpse, making a standing (literally) army for itself to unleash against ground-based foes or aerial foes it can lure to the ground.
Here are two links to Wyrms of the North articles featuring white dragons. Might be some stuff you can borrow from these.
Arveiaturace, "The White Wyrm"
Arauthator, "Old White Death" |
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Edited by - Jeremy Grenemyer on 06 May 2012 16:24:28 |
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Diffan
Great Reader
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Posted - 06 May 2012 : 16:53:06
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I believe there were some Frost specialized Kobolds that would work wonderfully as Dragon minions. I want to say they were in Frostfell or Dragon Magic supplements, but I'm not sure.
I also suggest tribes of humanoid like humans, orcs, and goblins that treat it like a God or great being and have some sort f dragon implemented into their culture |
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BEAST
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 06 May 2012 : 18:36:55
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A white dragon's low intelligence and simplistic, single-minded predatory nature might not make it a good choice as a leader of a group. It might be too hungry, or too distrusting, to allow any one else to exist nearby for long.
That said, perhaps an exceptional white dragon might deem suitable a remorhaz/polar worm, winter wolf/white worg/dire wolf, tundra yeti, taer, hill giant (NOT a frost giant), or bugbear.
The 1E/2E Draconomicon said that chromatics disfavor humanoids as slaves, for reasons of draconic status. So I imagine that a young, inexperienced white might start out with some lowly humanoids, but she'd move up to bigger minions just as soon as she was able. |
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xedrick
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Posted - 06 May 2012 : 18:59:27
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The mature White Dragon has 12 int, I would see that as intelligent enough to lead a group of followers...The thing is, you would be prudent to choose followers with a lower average int than the dragon herself.
I think Diffan'e Ice kobolds would be excellent, and maybe the big-bad boss kobold is a necromancer, raising the frozen bodies of adventurers, wildlife, etc into a sort of frozen zombie. Man, that sounds great.
Or maybe Ice Golems? I think they're listed in the Frostburn 3.5 supplement.
I'm going to put some thought into this and I'll be back... |
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Nicolai Withander
Master of Realmslore
Denmark
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Posted - 06 May 2012 : 21:04:00
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| Thank you all for the input. It has proven most usefull!!! |
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BEAST
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 06 May 2012 : 22:39:57
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Originally posted by xedrick
The mature White Dragon has 12 int, I would see that as intelligent enough to lead a group of followers...The thing is, you would be prudent to choose followers with a lower average int than the dragon herself.
The older and bigger they get, the hungrier they get, and that hunger outgrows their brains! They eat everything in sight to the point of famine, and then go into hibernation for decades. They don't demonstrate dietary discipline or wise foodstuff population management. 
I don't think whites fear great intelligence--they only fear greater power (challenge rating?). If anything, they probably look down on brainpower, independent of more tangible shows of power.
So a white would probably choose as minion something slightly less powerful, regardless of intelligence. This would be a mark of pride for the dragon, without causing the white to feel intimidated or threatened.
Too powerful, and the white would just avoid it for fear.
Too much less powerful, and the white would consider it shamefully weak and eat it. |
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xedrick
Seeker
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Posted - 07 May 2012 : 06:49:56
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| A minion with a higher intelligence than his boss could actually prove quite a plot twist...perhaps the dragon is being manipulated? |
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Lord Karsus
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 07 May 2012 : 18:21:30
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Originally posted by Lord Karsus
-I don't remember what they are called, but those frost worms would work.
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Nicolai Withander
Master of Realmslore
Denmark
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Posted - 07 May 2012 : 18:50:49
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Originally posted by Diffan
I believe there were some Frost specialized Kobolds that would work wonderfully as Dragon minions. I want to say they were in Frostfell or Dragon Magic supplements, but I'm not sure.
I also suggest tribes of humanoid like humans, orcs, and goblins that treat it like a God or great being and have some sort f dragon implemented into their culture
I have been trying to find these "frost" kobolds... could you eleborate please? or link some info perhaps??
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Ayrik
Great Reader
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Posted - 07 May 2012 : 19:35:02
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| Consider that the "stupid" white dragons are, on average, a little smarter than average humans. Of course, that's not always saying very much, really. Yet, these dragons are hardly just ravenous predators without any control over their bestial instincts. Many speak a number of languages, some practice magic - the sort of activities which usually indicate a more highly evolved sapience. |
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Diffan
Great Reader
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Posted - 07 May 2012 : 20:25:21
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quote:
Originally posted by Nicolai Withander
quote:
Originally posted by Diffan
I believe there were some Frost specialized Kobolds that would work wonderfully as Dragon minions. I want to say they were in Frostfell or Dragon Magic supplements, but I'm not sure.
I also suggest tribes of humanoid like humans, orcs, and goblins that treat it like a God or great being and have some sort f dragon implemented into their culture
I have been trying to find these "frost" kobolds... could you eleborate please? or link some info perhaps??
Thanks
I thought they were in the Dragon Magic supplement but all I found was this:
Modern frostblood orcs still hail from the north but have since joined the rest of civilization, if only outlanders. They have pale white skin and catlike eyes, with stringy white or gray hair that grows quickly.
Otherwise, except as noted below, frostblood orcs are identical to the orcs described in the Monster Manual, and frostblood half-orcs are identical to the half-orcs described in the Player's Handbook.
Dragonblood Subtype: Frostblood orcs and half-orcs are of the dragonblood subtype (see page 4).
Resistance to Cold 10: Because their ancestors ingested the blood of great white dragons, all frostblood orcs and half-orcs are naturally resistant to damage from cold-based attacks.
Endurance: Frostblood orcs and half-orcs have Endurance as a bonus feat. If a frostblood orc or half-orc would later gain Endurance as a bonus feat, he can select any other feat for which he qualifies.
-Vulnerability to Fire: Frostblood orcs and half-orcs share
the white dragon's vulnerability to fire-based attacks.
I'm sure the same sub-type could easily be applied to Kobolds as well. Sorry for the confusion. |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 07 May 2012 : 21:40:24
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| Frostblood kobolds... Would that be "frobolds"? Or maybe "coldkolds", for kobolds with some sort of ice/cold subtype... |
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BEAST
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 07 May 2012 : 21:56:18
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Originally posted by Ayrik
Consider that the "stupid" white dragons are, on average, a little smarter than average humans. Of course, that's not always saying very much, really. Yet, these dragons are hardly just ravenous predators without any control over their bestial instincts. Many speak a number of languages, some practice magic - the sort of activities which usually indicate a more highly evolved sapience.
Aye, their raw Int stats are higher than those of average humans. But don't let that fool you. As with horny humans, said to be guided by their "little heads", white dragons are usually led around by their stomachs! Int has very little to do with it.
According to the 4E MM, white dragons' magic seems to be tied into offensive attacks. Their magic is directly related to their predatory nature.
By "number of languages", the book says 2: Draconic and Common. That's no more than a common human.
Their role is listed as "Brute". That means something.
And they are not described as having minions, per sé, so much as scavenger hangers-on. They have underlings who gather their scraps, and apparently whites tolerate them, as long as they keep their distance.
The common types of scavenger are dragonborn and galeb duhr. |
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Veritas
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 07 May 2012 : 22:32:13
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Diffan
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 08 May 2012 : 04:24:42
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Or maybe "coldkolds", for kobolds with some sort of ice/cold subtype...
Coldkolds sounds like a delicious hors d'oeuvre of wrapped up coldcut meat stuffed with a ranch-sour cream paste garnished with some sort of weedy, green plant. |
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Lord Karsus
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Markustay
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Posted - 08 May 2012 : 22:02:50
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Originally posted by Veritas
Dire penguins!
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