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SiriusBlack
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 Posted - 01 Jul 2004 : 18:37:42
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Originally posted by Sarta
There is no contact info listed in your profile, so I know of no way to contact your privately.
Really? I thought there was an email listed. Forgive me for not making certain. I guess you could have put a message saying that and urging me to contact you. But, that wouldn't have gotten you attention, would it or allowed you to make this your show?
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I don't believe you violated any rules, nor have you offended me or (to my knowledge anyone else). I just noticed a pattern that was in my opinion getting out of control.
In your opinion. My sense of humor isn't for everyone. And since we are on patterns and commenting on things, let's dive into it
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While I do recall that there was a scuffle that I joined in on (but did not start) earlier, frankly I've forgotten the details and this is certainly not a continuation of that.
It feels like it. I've never seen you go after someone personally as you are here. I don't know what I did to you. It's clear I did something as you were new back then and still lashed out at me. But, I frankly don't care anymore. I ignored your posts until you made this attack and most likely will go back to ignoring your posts. But, now it's not for just personal preference, but heading towards I think personal safety.
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As I said, I have immense respect for the informative posts you bring to this board.
I'm constantly amazed that you can have respect for someone that you clearly don't like personally.
I'm also amazed at anyone that spends this amount of time searching files or storing them up to validate his personal attack. I thought about going point by point through each of your links. But, you know what, I just don't wish to.
I'd rather take the time to answer another scribes question or get back to the dicussion I was having with Arivia. You don't like my comments on Eberron, but have no problem interrupting a discussion about it to again launch your crusade against the Sirius.
I can't count of the number of times I've posted links to Eberron updates, information, reviews (In fact, unless I'm sick by the time I finish this, I plan to post a link to another review), but don't recall seeing much from you. But, then again, you were busy doing something else weren't you. Quite frankly the level of detail and obsession you've put into this scares me.
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Again, I apologize for being confrontational, but I felt it needed to be said.
Again that whole, I didn't mean to do it, but had to reminds me of a batterer justifying his actions. I've met too many in my life unfortunately.
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I have no intention of posting about this again publicly, but if you wish to email me, you may do so through my profile.
You don't wish to post anything more publicly, but you just felt you had to? Scary, utterly scary in a way that is stalker like to me. I don't wish to email you. I quite frankly do not trust any communication with you further and will be going out of my way to ignoring your posts and being careful about what I say as I don't know what might ignite you futher to take this to another step.
Apologies to everyone for interrupting this thread again. I was trying to converse with Arivia when this landed. Amazing, I've seen it before as I said, unfortunately, but never thought I'd see it over a gaming product. |
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SiriusBlack
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Posted - 01 Jul 2004 : 18:45:48
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Originally posted by Bookwyrm
I'm going to try to explain myself again later. I just had a long explanation of what I think WotC is doing all written out, but I accidentally hit ESC. That erased it. I'll try again later . . .
Scribes don't let scribes drink and try to post.... This is what happens as a result.
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Note, though, that this doesn't mean I hate Eberron.
You know just for the record, I don't hate Eberron either. Someone else asked awhile back and the question just stunned me. If some of my sarcastic comments like above, offend, well, there are many things that people have said on here that I haven't liked. I've dealt with it in private or ignored the post.
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I find many things about it interesting and worth stealing. I'm just sick of WotC's short attention span. (And I haven't even been on board that long.  )
This portion is what I ....hate to see. Wooly a page ago made some very valid points about Eberron and what its sales might do to FR. I'm not so much curious about FR's future because of Eberron as I am about Eberron's future itself.
You see, what Bookwyrm mentioned about a short attention span reminds me of some thread that I read on another site where I believe someone who had worked for WOTC commented on their business philosophy. I have no idea if what was said is true or not. However, the person mentioned the company was very much in it for the fast buck and used some of the company's past with card games as an example. The impression I got was that WOTC would push/hype a setting fast and hard and let it run for a few, maybe five years, and then, abandon it, moving on to the next idea.
I have no idea if this is what will happen with Eberron. However, I will be watching future developments with a great deal of interest. And oh, this does not mean that I think WOTC is evil for doing this, if they even do this practice. WOTC is a business, free to choose how they market items and support them. Just as I am free to support or not support Eberron or something else they produce.
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SiriusBlack
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Posted - 01 Jul 2004 : 19:03:37
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Originally posted by AlacLuin
On another note, the way I see Sharn is sort of Eberron's answer to Waterdeep, as Sharn is stated as being the place for adventures to start and end.
I think that's where the first adventure, released in the upcoming Dungeon, is set. Am I correct there? |
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SiriusBlack
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Posted - 01 Jul 2004 : 19:05:40
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Silven Crossroads has posted a review for the Eberron gaming product.
I like their review format with the ability scores. 
No offense to anyone who doesn't like it. |
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AlacLuin
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Posted - 01 Jul 2004 : 20:15:31
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
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Originally posted by AlacLuin
On another note, the way I see Sharn is sort of Eberron's answer to Waterdeep, as Sharn is stated as being the place for adventures to start and end.
I think that's where the first adventure, released in the upcoming Dungeon, is set. Am I correct there?
Yes, in dungeon #113 (I should have gotten it by now...) along with a new FR adventure, in Marsember.
My statement was based in a line in the ECS that read something like "Sharn is a city that is the start of many adventures"
Not a direct quote, working from memory of the Sharn city entry.
To continue with the Waterdeep comparison, the dungeon adventure talks about an undercity...
Don't get me wrong, Eberron and FR are compleatly different, but there are probobly many things in Eberron that can be seen as familiar in other settings, like barbaric halflings rideing strange animals (at least I felt that was an aspect similar to Dark Sun)
EDIT: As a side note, it looks like I just earned my first star here on this site!!!
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
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Posted - 02 Jul 2004 : 03:57:55
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I was at the WOTC product page, following orders from a senior scribe (someone really needs to explain this rank system to me) and saw the first Eberron adventure Shadows of the Last War is set to come out this month.
Does anyone know who the artist is for the cover image? It's quite striking. Plus, it's different than the cover image for the product that Amazon has posted.
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Arivia
Great Reader
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Posted - 02 Jul 2004 : 04:03:25
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
I was at the WOTC product page, following orders from a senior scribe (someone really needs to explain this rank system to me)
 So shoot me.
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Does anyone know who the artist is for the cover image? It's quite striking. Plus, it's different than the cover image for the product that Amazon has posted.
Thanks in advance to anyone who can help.
It's distinctively Wayne Reynolds work-he who also did the cover to the Campaign Setting. Looks like quite a nice adventure-House Cannith, the Order of the Emerald Claw, the Mournland-  Lots of fun stuff in there.
Should I continue with my review, or has it become tiring? |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
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Posted - 02 Jul 2004 : 04:11:49
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Originally posted by Arivia
So shoot me.
Was that a snide remark? If so, Bang!
By the way, you're right, the art for the opening of Chapter Seven does look very nice. I'm still not thrilled with the style, but I liked that image much better than the one that shall not be named.
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It's distinctively Wayne Reynolds work-he who also did the cover to the Campaign Setting.
Thank you. I should have recognized his work. I know he's done some FR art. I'm going to have to keep an eye out for a larger image of this adventure's cover as I like it.
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Should I continue with my review, or has it become tiring?
In all seriousness, no. I've enjoyed reading the review and if you have the patience/time to continue, I'm sure others will enjoy viewing it as well.
Hopefully, you won't get an interruption again for a non-Eberron matter. But, hey, we can all hope. |
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Arivia
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Posted - 02 Jul 2004 : 04:31:13
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
Was that a snide remark? If so, Bang!
Aa..aah...eh..
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By the way, you're right, the art for the opening of Chapter Seven does look very nice. I'm still not thrilled with the style, but I liked that image much better than the one that shall not be named.
Yes, they get much better in the latter parts of the book.
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Thank you. I should have recognized his work. I know he's done some FR art. I'm going to have to keep an eye out for a larger image of this adventure's cover as I like it.
It's quite different, yes. I've always liked his work, so I guess I'm used to spotting it. I believe he's done more work in the core D&D line then FR-Underdark was the last book I can remember his artwork from, and he also had some in Monsters of Faerun.
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In all seriousness, no. I've enjoyed reading the review and if you have the patience/time to continue, I'm sure others will enjoy viewing it as well.
Hopefully, you won't get an interruption again for a non-Eberron matter. But, hey, we can all hope.
I'll continue then. I think it's probably taking so long because I'm going through the Life in the World chapter, in comparison to the other reviewers linked to within this scroll, who seemingly have all skipped that chapter. |
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Posted - 02 Jul 2004 : 09:26:41
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Well met
Now now, Scribes! Let us not let a disagreement with this other world cause problems within the library.
I don't want to see any other underhand comments here or in any other scrolls (The Monster Manual III entry for instance  ). The matter lies. |
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The Sage
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Posted - 03 Jul 2004 : 06:48:10
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Originally posted by Bookwyrm
Don't worry, Alaundo, Lady Kazandra's not abandoning the Realms. Right, Lady K.? [::lightly steps on Lady K.'s foot::] Riiight?
Seriously speaking, Milady, have you got your copy yet, and if so, has Sage read it? I just started reading the Reynolds Review, and this caught my eye:
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The first thing I thought of after reading the warforged section was, "You could totally do modrons this way." Construct and yet living ... it fits perfectly.
Aren't modrons Sage's favorite PS race?
No, the Lady K. is not abandoning the Realms (though it will be her chosen setting for her first DMing role).
I've borrowed the Lady's tome in order to read through it myself (of course, she wasn't happy about that... ). So, as for the modron/warforged parallel, yes, I had the same thoughts when I first read through the racial details for the race. They reminded very much of how the modrons were detailed in 2e.
And yes, the modrons are a favoured PS race, though not my most favoured...
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The Sage
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Posted - 03 Jul 2004 : 06:52:47
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Originally posted by Arivia
It's distinctively Wayne Reynolds work-he who also did the cover to the Campaign Setting. Looks like quite a nice adventure-House Cannith, the Order of the Emerald Claw, the Mournland- Lots of fun stuff in there.
Should I continue with my review, or has it become tiring?
Please, continue with your review. I'm finishing the tome soon, so I hope to be able to add my own thoughts on the setting as a whole.
Although, I will ask one question - What did you think of the Dragonmarked Houses, Arivia? I'm talking about their general purposes for being, their ties to the Dragonshards, and the fact that they are racially based.
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Sarta
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Posted - 03 Jul 2004 : 11:59:47
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It's been interesting reading some of Rich Burlew's opinions on Eberron. Rich was one of the runner-ups in the world design contest which Eberron won, he's become a contributor for WotC having done some of the MM3 write ups and some other stuff, and is probably best known as the author of the gaming web comic Order of the Stick. One of his biggest complaints about the warforged is that their inherent penalties almost entirely exclude them from being viable spell-casters. I'm not so sure that this was a wrong choice and I'd be curious how others feel about the issue.
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Bookwyrm
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Posted - 03 Jul 2004 : 12:45:44
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I don't think that the warforged should be spellcasters. It doesn't make much sense. After all, they're created to free up positions for "real" people. They protect the wizards.
Now, I don't know what penalties actually exist against them being spellcasters, but I suppose it would be intersting to have a warforged or two who actually manage to learn a cantrip or two. Clerics, though, would remove one of the best role-playing pieces of the warforged; if their prayers were granted, then that would "prove" they had souls.
It wouldn't prevent "real" people from looking down on them ("Out of my way, stupid construct!") but I'd prefer it to be a long time before any of them became clerics, druids, rangers, or paladins. |
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Arivia
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Posted - 03 Jul 2004 : 13:22:38
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Originally posted by Bookwyrm
I don't think that the warforged should be spellcasters. It doesn't make much sense. After all, they're created to free up positions for "real" people. They protect the wizards.
Now, I don't know what penalties actually exist against them being spellcasters, but I suppose it would be intersting to have a warforged or two who actually manage to learn a cantrip or two. Clerics, though, would remove one of the best role-playing pieces of the warforged; if their prayers were granted, then that would "prove" they had souls.
It wouldn't prevent "real" people from looking down on them ("Out of my way, stupid construct!") but I'd prefer it to be a long time before any of them became clerics, druids, rangers, or paladins.
Well, the warforged are people, as established as part of the Treaty of Thronehold. They are not merely constructs-they do have free will. Also, it is very possible that warforged could exist that have been bound with arcane energy to allow them to become spellcasters-whether they come from the now-destroyed House Cannith forges, or the experiments of Merrix d'Cannith or the Lord of Blades. |
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Bookwyrm
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Posted - 03 Jul 2004 : 14:05:01
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 03 Jul 2004 : 15:41:19
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Originally posted by Arivia
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Originally posted by Bookwyrm
I don't think that the warforged should be spellcasters. It doesn't make much sense. After all, they're created to free up positions for "real" people. They protect the wizards.
Now, I don't know what penalties actually exist against them being spellcasters, but I suppose it would be intersting to have a warforged or two who actually manage to learn a cantrip or two. Clerics, though, would remove one of the best role-playing pieces of the warforged; if their prayers were granted, then that would "prove" they had souls.
It wouldn't prevent "real" people from looking down on them ("Out of my way, stupid construct!") but I'd prefer it to be a long time before any of them became clerics, druids, rangers, or paladins.
Well, the warforged are people, as established as part of the Treaty of Thronehold. They are not merely constructs-they do have free will. Also, it is very possible that warforged could exist that have been bound with arcane energy to allow them to become spellcasters-whether they come from the now-destroyed House Cannith forges, or the experiments of Merrix d'Cannith or the Lord of Blades.
That's true. But remember, the Treaty of Thronehold officially stipulated that no new warforged could be created once the treaty was ratified by the Five Nations of Khorvaire.
Of course, that doesn't prevent the Lord of Blades from creating his own since there is believed to be a still working creation forge located within the heart of the Mournlands.
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Arivia
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Posted - 03 Jul 2004 : 15:56:12
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Originally posted by The Sage
That's true. But remember, the Treaty of Thronehold officially stipulated that no new warforged could be created once the treaty was ratified by the Five Nations of Khorvaire.
Of course, that doesn't prevent the Lord of Blades from creating his own since there is believed to be a still working creation forge located within the heart of the Mournlands.
Look at that last sentence in my last entry again, Sage-I covered that, making note of the now-destroyed Cannith forges. Look at pages 23 and 144 of the ECS again. |
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The Sage
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Posted - 03 Jul 2004 : 16:04:07
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Err... yes, I see now .
::The Sage briefly looked to the left, and then to the right. He was trying to ascertain whether any of the other assembled scribes had noticed the long pointed cone hat which suddenly and apparently appeared out of thin air above his head. In rather large red letters, written across the base of the hat, was the word "dunce"...::
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Arivia
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Posted - 03 Jul 2004 : 16:17:06
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Originally posted by The Sage
Err... yes, I see now .
::The Sage briefly looked to the left, and then to the right. He was trying to ascertain whether any of the other assembled scribes had noticed the long pointed cone hat which suddenly and apparently appeared out of thin air above his head. In rather large red letters, written across the base of the hat, was the word "dunce"...::
Off hand, do you have any clue where you'd place Stormreach, the Xen'drik trade city? Page 223 of the ECS isn't helping, just saying the tip of Xen'drik's northern peninsula, but there are so many coves in that area... |
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The Sage
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Arivia
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Posted - 03 Jul 2004 : 16:24:18
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I have two answers to that question, one of which you will undoubtedly dislike...
Well, let's hear them both.
And I actually did think of asking Keith the question, but I started gagging just after I finished reading your post in that thread(recognized you by your signature and style).
I'm not going to be visiting the Eberron boards that much-I'm subscribed to one topic, someone who's rectifying the map situation by doing one with all of the rail routes and roads combined on one map. |
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The Sage
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Posted - 03 Jul 2004 : 16:28:37
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I've basically used a city model - that I, and several other Eberron fans developed for Stormreach - in my FR campaign. It's currently located on a small island a few miles east of Mezro in Chult.
That's the first answer. The second is more Eberron related. Look at the maps on the inside cover of the tome (it doesn't matter whether it is the front or back). You will notice the cluster of islands to the north of Xen-drik. The largest island in that cluster was where I had originally decided to place Stormreach. But now I'm thinking it may be better to locate it on the much larger island to the west of the cluster.
That was the second answer.
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Posted - 03 Jul 2004 : 16:32:26
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And I actually did think of asking Keith the question, but I started gagging just after I finished reading your post in that thread(recognized you by your signature and style).
Just out of curiosity, which post (and the poster) are you referring to? I've made many posts over on those boards of late...
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Arivia
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Posted - 03 Jul 2004 : 16:32:55
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I've basically used a city model - that I, and several other Eberron fans developed for Stormreach - in my FR campaign. It's currently located on a small island a few miles east of Mezro.
Um..okay? 
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Look at the maps on the inside cover of the tome (it doesn't matter whether it is the front or back).
Or pages 214-215.
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You will notice the cluster of islands to the north of Xen-drik.
Got something against apostrophes?
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The largest island in that cluster was where I had originally decided to place Stormreach. But now I'm thinking it may be better to locate it on the much larger island to the west of the cluster.
Well, if it was heavily influenced by Sharn(which it should be, to an extent) then they just need space to build up...I think the larger island does make more sense, though-specifically the northeastern part of it. Anyone coming out would just need to go north, the currents pushing them east to the Hilt...
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And I actually did think of asking Keith the question, but I started gagging just after I finished reading your post in that thread(recognized you by your signature and style).
Just out of curiosity, which post (and the poster) are you referring to? I've made many posts over on those boards of late...
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The Sage
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Posted - 03 Jul 2004 : 16:43:20
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I've basically used a city model - that I, and several other Eberron fans developed for Stormreach - in my FR campaign. It's currently located on a small island a few miles east of Mezro.
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Um..okay?
Sorry about that. It's late here, and I haven't had much sleep in the last 48 hours. I guess I'm starting to slip... What I had meant to say was that, just before the ECS was released, some Eberron fans and I got together to design a rough city map (and some source material) for the city of Stormreach. Of course, I become tired of waiting to use what we had developed, so I altered some of the details and included it in my FR campaigns, namely the Chultan region.
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Look at the maps on the inside cover of the tome (it doesn't matter whether it is the front or back).
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Or pages 214-215.
Again, I am tired...
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You will notice the cluster of islands to the north of Xen-drik.
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Got something against apostrophes?
I still haven't gotten used to that. I'm still typing the name Xen'drik like it was first originally conceived.
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The largest island in that cluster was where I had originally decided to place Stormreach. But now I'm thinking it may be better to locate it on the much larger island to the west of the cluster.
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Well, if it was heavily influenced by Sharn(which it should be, to an extent) then they just need space to build up...I think the larger island does make more sense, though-specifically the northeastern part of it. Anyone coming out would just need to go north, the currents pushing them east to the Hilt...
Northeastern... well, that's more specific. I think that'll be the likely location for Stormreach in my Eberron campaign as well... pending any official source details of course.
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Arivia
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Posted - 03 Jul 2004 : 16:47:50
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| Found it! I thought the Old Sage here was you. |
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The Sage
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Posted - 03 Jul 2004 : 17:02:59
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Actually, that's my second profile that I use at the WotC Message Boards (and consequently, it's tied to another of my computers). It's not a very active account, as the post count illustrates. My first, and more frequently used profile has about 3,000+ posts, and mainly dwells on the DL, MotP, and PS boards...
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Arivia
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Posted - 03 Jul 2004 : 17:04:13
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Originally posted by The Sage
Actually, that's my second profile that I use at the WotC Message Boards (and consequently, it's tied to another of my computers). It's not a very active account, as the post count illustrates. My first, and more frequently used profile has about 3,000+ posts, and mainly dwells on the DL, MotP, and PS boards...
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 03 Jul 2004 : 17:07:33
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Of course...
But, I'll give you this nice and crunchy virtual cookie, if you can guess which other profile I was talking about...
(I really don't expect you to try this though. Afterall, it's a "virtual" cookie. But then, you may be "virtually" hungry, so that's another matter entirely...)
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