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The Sage
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SiriusBlack
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 Posted - 17 Feb 2004 : 12:38:11
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Originally posted by The Sage
Two weeks...
Hmm...There's no wondering then why ordering gaming materials from Amazon isn't that popular anymore...
It might be getting better as I recall getting a Share the Love for Arcana, and it had "shipping within 24 hours" as availability. But, past items, like the last WOTSQ novel. Yeesh, you'd have written a novel yourself by the time Amazon listed it as anything other than waiting to be published. |
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The Sage
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Bookwyrm
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Posted - 18 Feb 2004 : 09:10:32
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Very intriguing. It's actually making me more open to this idea. My favorite was the Chinese-like half-orc walking on stilts through a marsh. That made me wonder what was in the water that he was trying to stay away from, what he was doing there in the first place, if that was his house in the background, and what kind of a culture would grow up around a place too dangerous to step in but needs to be traversed anyway.
I'm not likely to buy it, since there are so many gaps in my Realmslore that need filling (Races of Faerun being prominant), but I'm certainly going to take a much harder look at this than I was planning on. |
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The Sage
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Posted - 18 Feb 2004 : 12:58:39
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I'll admit that this limited exposure to some of the artwork in the tome has also made me a little more open-minded to the whole Eberron setting (not enough to run my own game though), although I'm not too sure about the obvious 'Oriental' tone that seems to be apparent with that image of the half-orc...
The Warforged are intriguing, if only because I can see some options which would be useful within the current tone of my Gateway setting, but I still don't think this is a tome I will be placing on advanced order. There's simply too many other accessories coming out at the same time which I need to purchase first (namely the Planar Handbook).
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SiriusBlack
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Posted - 18 Feb 2004 : 17:17:33
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Originally posted by The Sage
Let's hear what you think...?
I'd say looking at the far right portion of the last image, that Lord Lucas needs to pick up the phone and tell them he wants his double-bladed light saber back.  |
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The Sage
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Posted - 19 Feb 2004 : 09:19:24
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I've found WotC's selection of artists for the campaign tome very interesting. MtG fans would of course recognise the artwork of Mark Tedin, but I've never seen much work from either Knutson, or Prescott. Still it's a comforting change nonetheless...as well as a little risky.
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Bookwyrm
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Posted - 10 Mar 2004 : 08:11:35
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Wait for it, folks . . . Sage will be wailing with intellecual agony any moment now . . . .   |
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SiriusBlack
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Posted - 10 Mar 2004 : 16:13:46
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I actually have something positive to say finally about Eberron. I liked the recent history section in this latest update about The Last War. Questions from the audience?
Audience member: "Does that mean Mr. Black that you will be purchasing the Eberron product now?"
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 11 Mar 2004 : 08:36:52
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Originally posted by Bookwyrm
Wait for it, folks . . . Sage will be wailing with intellecual agony any moment now . . . .
Indeed...I'm still enduring the after-effects...
Seriously though, despite my preconceived notions of what I thought the cosmology of Eberron was going to be like, I was actually pleasantly surprised by this working. It's reminiscent of the original workings to the 3e DL cosmology (the only planar structure in 3e that I will actually accept as worthwhile) that I had the opportunity to look over several months before the 3e DLCS was released.
Although it would never replace a cosmology as well-structured as the Great Wheel (nor should it), the Eberron planar structure is definitely a step in the 'right' direction. What I mean by that is, that the cosmology is a greater and more gamer-friendly model than the generalised structure offered by the 3e MotP....
With a little ground work, this planar structure could even be used as a basis for other campaign setting cosmologies. I guess when Keith Baker spoke of the Eberron setting containing a small piece of every published setting, he was actually right...
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Bookwyrm
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Posted - 12 Mar 2004 : 16:59:19
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You know, you could always consider Eberron's cosmology to be extended to the Great Wheel. That is, this . . . orbital system is also in orbit of the rest of the D&D multiverse, coming into contact with it say, once a decade. Or less often. That would allow for both systems to coexist, and so a campaign could go to Eberron from Sigil, or any other place in the planes.
I can see this being an interesting thing in planewalking, especially if Eberron is only connecting rarely, but for an extended period. Planewalkers from Sigil might look forward to these "wild" areas, planning expeditions for months ahead of time. "See the savage, backward planes, ever in motion around a broken piece of the Prime! Hurry, party slots are filling fast . . . ."
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The Sage
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Posted - 12 Mar 2004 : 23:18:50
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Ah, I see what your saying...
Your restructuring the old 2e 'Ordial' idea...very interesting Bookwyrm.
The multi-layered Ordial cosmological structure was always one of my favorites, very Aristolean in conception.
The trick of it is though, with such an extended planar structure, what occupies the center - Sigil, or Eberron...?
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Bookwyrm
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Posted - 16 Mar 2004 : 08:18:13
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| Oh come now, Sage -- you of all people should know that there's no "center" to the multiverse. |
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The Sage
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Posted - 16 Mar 2004 : 09:57:18
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I do believe (like all sensible and rational PS devotees should) that there isn't any truly accurate center to the multiverse (despite what is traditionally written about the City of Doors), but that doesn't stop the multitude of PS fans who generate pages and pages of speculation on PS message boards across the net, debating the true center of the Planes...
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Lord Rad
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Posted - 18 Mar 2004 : 11:34:42
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Wow, thats fantastic artwork! Shucks  ::adds the Eberron campaign book to his purchase list:: |
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The Sage
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Posted - 18 Mar 2004 : 11:40:54
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I'll admit that, after looking at this artwork as well, my interest in Eberron went up a notch...I'll probably put it on my June orders list as well, though after more important tomes that are also scheduled for release that month.
Anyway, Rad, was there any image in that selection that you found particularly interesting, I'd like to talk about some of them?.
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Bookwyrm
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Posted - 18 Mar 2004 : 11:44:08
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| Judging things based on artwork again, are we? |
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The Sage
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Posted - 18 Mar 2004 : 11:57:04
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No, don't be silly...
I've also been following a number of content-discussion threads on several other message boards. Keith Baker regularly joins in on most discussions, and I've come to find some (please note: I said some) of his reasonings behind the various aspects of Eberron quite interesting.
There are still facets of the world of Eberron that I think are inappropriate for a strictly fantasy setting, but as Keith Baker has said, most of the misunderstandings on some of the content in Eberron has been based on poor source information.
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Bookwyrm
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Posted - 18 Mar 2004 : 12:29:48
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Lord Rad
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Posted - 18 Mar 2004 : 13:18:34
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hehehe i could see what you were getting at, Bookwyrm But ive changed, honest
To answer your question Sage, they are all very impressive, do you know who the artist is? In particular, the "eagleback", "airship" and "spooky city" caught my eye the most. In general the artwork seems to have quite a violent and mature edge to it.
I liked the artwork from the samples given in Dragon Magazine over the past few issues. Certain elements of Eberron do put me off... the wild west style train for instance! Ive never liked any technology or too advanced features in my campaign (renaissance-style domains within my Ravenloft campaign simply do not exist ). However, I may just pick up the Eberron campaign book and leave it at that....just for curiosities sake.
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Lord Rad
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Posted - 18 Mar 2004 : 13:22:38
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Originally posted by The Sage
Anyway, Rad, was there any image in that selection that you found particularly interesting, I'd like to talk about some of them?.
Which reminds me Sage, you never came back and posted your views and discussions on Extinction! Get to it! (I cant recall which scroll it was that the discussions took place but im sure you can locate it) |
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The Sage
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Posted - 18 Mar 2004 : 14:07:47
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Sorry about that Rad...I went right onto The Yellow Silk after I finished Extinction...I guess I just forgot about posting my views ...
The "eagleback" and "airship" images caught my eye as well. While I'm still not sure about such elements in a fantasy setting (namely the elemental-powered airship), the explanation behind the technology seems slightly valid.
So Rad, in your RL campaigns, there's no Dementlieu or Richemulot domains...? Your Core region must be rather small then. Do you have anything in place of these domains?.
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Lord Rad
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Posted - 18 Mar 2004 : 14:24:47
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Originally posted by The Sage
Sorry about that Rad...I went right onto The Yellow Silk after I finished Extinction...I guess I just forgot about posting my views ...
The "eagleback" and "airship" images caught my eye as well. While I'm still not sure about such elements in a fantasy setting (namely the elemental-powered airship), the explanation behind the technology seems slightly valid.
So Rad, in your RL campaigns, there's no Dementlieu or Richemulot domains...? Your Core region must be rather small then. Do you have anything in place of these domains?.
Well I read Yellow Silk and Extinction the other way around....both great novels! Just under half way through Venoms Taste at the moment..... but this isnt the topic for such discussions 
Quite right Sage, its not that they dont exist (maybe I should have worded that different) its just that I wont use them in my campaign, the period doesnt really appeal to me nor my players. I run most of the campaign down in the Southern Core, Barovia, Sithicus etc. and will branch over to Forlorn etc... plenty places to slot various adventures without the need for other domains. After all, I see Ravenloft as having a variety of cultural levels throughout the setting to please everyone, its a case of pick and choose what suits the individual DM. |
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The Sage
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Posted - 18 Mar 2004 : 14:29:36
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Hmmm...I've seen a successful argument made, that the southern Core of Ravenloft is similar to the Realms in terms of cultural level and societal structure. The shift of settings isn't really that much of a great leap...
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Lord Rad
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Posted - 18 Mar 2004 : 14:32:09
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Hmmm...I've seen a successful argument made, that the southern Core of Ravenloft is similar to the Realms in terms of cultural level and societal structure. The shift of settings isn't really that much of a great leap...
You can see right through me Sage.....im too much of a hardcore FR fan |
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The Sage
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Posted - 18 Mar 2004 : 14:40:14
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Hehehe...
I'll ask you about Sithicus then...Do you have any difficulties running adventures in this domain? I've never used Sithicus in any of my games, but I've heard that some DMs use FR elves instead of the Sithican (DL) elves. What do you use...?
[Special note: Alaundo, we really need that 'General Campaign Setting Discussion Board'...]
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Posted - 18 Mar 2004 : 15:03:55
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Well met
What's this I see before me?! Not one, but FOUR pages of talk of this Eberron place! Then to add further insult to my aging eyes, theres off-topic talk about some Ravens Loft or some such!
Rad and Sage, you two should no better!  Now get back to your research on Realmslore, lest you feel my wrath 
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[Special note: Alaundo, we really need that 'General Campaign Setting Discussion Board'...]
Indeed Sage, and I have not forgot about this task. 'twas not as straight forward as first envisaged as I wished to keep such in a separate room all together. Be it known, I have not given up....just a further delay. |
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Bookwyrm
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Posted - 18 Mar 2004 : 15:08:26
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| Are those dwarven carpenters on strike again? |
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