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Quale
Master of Realmslore
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 Posted - 16 Nov 2011 : 05:36:01
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| It could be the game of the decade, the size and details are incredible. I really like that now it has the 3rd person view. |
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Artemas Entreri
Great Reader
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Posted - 16 Nov 2011 : 13:59:01
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Originally posted by Quale
It could be the game of the decade, the size and details are incredible. I really like that now it has the 3rd person view.
Oblivion had the 3rd person view as well, but i think most people got dizzy when they used it. I prefer the 1st person view for gameplay and use the 3rd person view to see what my character looks like. Nice HUGE world though  |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31799 Posts |
Posted - 16 Nov 2011 : 15:04:21
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I actually preferred the 3rd person view with Oblivion.
I've yet to make up my mind about which character view I like with Skyrim. The 1st person isn't too bad, but I just love the special kill animation while in 3rd person. |
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Artemas Entreri
Great Reader
USA
3131 Posts |
Posted - 16 Nov 2011 : 15:31:39
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Originally posted by The Sage
I actually preferred the 3rd person view with Oblivion.
I've yet to make up my mind about which character view I like with Skyrim. The 1st person isn't too bad, but I just love the special kill animation while in 3rd person.
Lol the stealth kills are VERY funny somtimes. I actually snuck up on a wolf and performed the "throat slitting" kill. Not sure if it was just a glitch because i have only been able to do that to a non human on 1 occasion. |
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Kilvan
Senior Scribe
Canada
896 Posts |
Posted - 16 Nov 2011 : 17:30:50
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I got to the point where the sneak skill is just ridiculous, some enemy can even bump into me without detecting me. I can shoot a guy in the face and he'll be like 'Huh? I was sure I heard something', then go back to his spot, with an arrow sticking out of his eyeball.
The thief's guild main questline alone is better and takes longer than some entire games I've played, with a better story and for the same price. Can't wait to start the Dark brotherhood quests, which is considered the best in the game according to some reviews. |
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Artemas Entreri
Great Reader
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Posted - 16 Nov 2011 : 18:01:46
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Originally posted by Kilvan
I got to the point where the sneak skill is just ridiculous, some enemy can even bump into me without detecting me. I can shoot a guy in the face and he'll be like 'Huh? I was sure I heard something', then go back to his spot, with an arrow sticking out of his eyeball.
The thief's guild main questline alone is better and takes longer than some entire games I've played, with a better story and for the same price. Can't wait to start the Dark brotherhood quests, which is considered the best in the game according to some reviews.
I JUST started the Dark Brotherhood and loving it so far. One thing i wish the Elder Scolls would add to their combat (at least for archery) is called shots or something similar. If i shoot someone in the neck or head with an arrow then that should be a kill no matter what level i am. |
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Clad In Shadows
Learned Scribe
Canada
158 Posts |
Posted - 16 Nov 2011 : 18:35:10
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Originally posted by entreri3478
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Originally posted by Dennis
Shouldn't this thread be in General Chat section instead?
Anyway, The Infernal City is on my To-Read list. I am not really fond of reading novels which are 99.9% based on games. But the blurb sounds interesting, so I'm giving it a try.
Yeah i have been meaning to get to that book too. I think a Realms style novel line could easily work for the Elder Scolls series
I got that book in 2009. It's pretty decent. The sequel just came out a couple months ago.
I received my copy of Skyrim (Collector's Edition...the box was HUGE!) last night in the mail. I haven't played it yet because I'm currently running through Risen. But you better believe Skyrim will be next. |
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Kilvan
Senior Scribe
Canada
896 Posts |
Posted - 16 Nov 2011 : 19:20:39
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Originally posted by entreri3478
I JUST started the Dark Brotherhood and loving it so far. One thing i wish the Elder Scolls would add to their combat (at least for archery) is called shots or something similar. If i shoot someone in the neck or head with an arrow then that should be a kill no matter what level i am.
Hey I can throw flowers to Bethesda all day for various reasons, but not for AI or combat mechanics. They make a world so realistic, yet the skin of a deer becomes heavier if transformed into leather, then this leather becomes heavier if transformed into leather strips. I'm creating matter!
Oh yeah, and I got some lessons on mountain climbing, run forward and mash the jump button for 5 minutes until you get to the top. Swimming in icy water is no problem either. I entered a hut to see if something was in it, to turn back and see my companion blocking the entrance. I had to reset the game to avoid plain killing him.
The game is great, but there's room for improvement. |
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Artemas Entreri
Great Reader
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3131 Posts |
Posted - 16 Nov 2011 : 20:07:59
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Originally posted by Clad In Shadows
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Originally posted by entreri3478
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Originally posted by Dennis
Shouldn't this thread be in General Chat section instead?
Anyway, The Infernal City is on my To-Read list. I am not really fond of reading novels which are 99.9% based on games. But the blurb sounds interesting, so I'm giving it a try.
Yeah i have been meaning to get to that book too. I think a Realms style novel line could easily work for the Elder Scolls series
I got that book in 2009. It's pretty decent. The sequel just came out a couple months ago.
I received my copy of Skyrim (Collector's Edition...the box was HUGE!) last night in the mail. I haven't played it yet because I'm currently running through Risen. But you better believe Skyrim will be next.
One or more of the daedric princes MAY strike you down for playing Risen when Skyrim is out  |
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Artemas Entreri
Great Reader
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3131 Posts |
Posted - 16 Nov 2011 : 20:10:54
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Originally posted by Kilvan
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Originally posted by entreri3478
I JUST started the Dark Brotherhood and loving it so far. One thing i wish the Elder Scolls would add to their combat (at least for archery) is called shots or something similar. If i shoot someone in the neck or head with an arrow then that should be a kill no matter what level i am.
Hey I can throw flowers to Bethesda all day for various reasons, but not for AI or combat mechanics. They make a world so realistic, yet the skin of a deer becomes heavier if transformed into leather, then this leather becomes heavier if transformed into leather strips. I'm creating matter!
Oh yeah, and I got some lessons on mountain climbing, run forward and mash the jump button for 5 minutes until you get to the top. Swimming in icy water is no problem either. I entered a hut to see if something was in it, to turn back and see my companion blocking the entrance. I had to reset the game to avoid plain killing him.
The game is great, but there's room for improvement.
Lol sometimes the glitches are just plain hilarious. I was traveling alongside one of the rivers when i noticed what i thought was an island in the middle of the water. Upon investigating I discovered that the game had glitched the water out and a giant pocket of air had replaced all of the water in the middle of the river. I was even able to travel around in it and breathe normally. |
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Clad In Shadows
Learned Scribe
Canada
158 Posts |
Posted - 16 Nov 2011 : 21:14:12
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Originally posted by entreri3478
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Originally posted by Clad In Shadows
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Originally posted by entreri3478
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Originally posted by Dennis
Shouldn't this thread be in General Chat section instead?
Anyway, The Infernal City is on my To-Read list. I am not really fond of reading novels which are 99.9% based on games. But the blurb sounds interesting, so I'm giving it a try.
Yeah i have been meaning to get to that book too. I think a Realms style novel line could easily work for the Elder Scolls series
I got that book in 2009. It's pretty decent. The sequel just came out a couple months ago.
I received my copy of Skyrim (Collector's Edition...the box was HUGE!) last night in the mail. I haven't played it yet because I'm currently running through Risen. But you better believe Skyrim will be next.
One or more of the daedric princes MAY strike you down for playing Risen when Skyrim is out
As a HUGE fan of the Gothic series, I think I'll take my chances. |
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Seravin
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1303 Posts |
Posted - 18 Nov 2011 : 16:19:55
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This game is miles better than Oblivion so far. I did like Oblivion but the main quest was pretty awful and the Oblivion gates were uninspired.
The world in Skyrim is incredibly immersive and the Lore is fantastic. The amount of world building is staggering. I would have to quit my day job and go on disability or welfare permanently if someone did a sandbox version of the Realms like Bethesda has done for Tamriel. Sorta kidding.
Anyway, I'm about level 7, 12 hours or so into the game and absolutely floored. Best RPG since BG2, if not of all time. The only one that has been close to this since BG2 is DAO to me. But that game is forever tainted by DA2.
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Quale
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 18 Nov 2011 : 17:01:04
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Artemas Entreri
Great Reader
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Posted - 18 Nov 2011 : 17:09:20
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Originally posted by Seravin
This game is miles better than Oblivion so far. I did like Oblivion but the main quest was pretty awful and the Oblivion gates were uninspired.
The world in Skyrim is incredibly immersive and the Lore is fantastic. The amount of world building is staggering. I would have to quit my day job and go on disability or welfare permanently if someone did a sandbox version of the Realms like Bethesda has done for Tamriel. Sorta kidding.
Anyway, I'm about level 7, 12 hours or so into the game and absolutely floored. Best RPG since BG2, if not of all time. The only one that has been close to this since BG2 is DAO to me. But that game is forever tainted by DA2.
I agree with you on all counts. There is so much to do in Skyrim that it is difficult to stay focused on a quest. I will begin a quest and end up exploring 5 dungeons/locations on the way to the initial location for the first quest. I enjoy the variety of the landscape and there are tons of easter eggs to be found by exploring the wilds. The perks system is a huge bonus as well. |
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Artemas Entreri
Great Reader
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3131 Posts |
Posted - 18 Nov 2011 : 17:12:46
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Originally posted by Quale
It's amazing, monsters like ice wraiths and clockwork spheres are so cool I don't want to destroy them. Just found a great helm similar to Doom's.
I even appreciate the stuff they have done with the smaller monsters. The mudcrabs come in the regular version from Oblivion, and a new camo version as well. |
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Kilvan
Senior Scribe
Canada
896 Posts |
Posted - 18 Nov 2011 : 20:39:25
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It's too bad that there is still some skills that can be leveled up in an very fast manner. Smithing took the less than 2 hours from 20 to 100 just by buying iron lingots, crafting iron daggers, then wait 24 hours to refresh the seller's stock. I felt like cheating, even though I found that by myself. It gave me like 8 levels and cost me almost nothing but a little time. I took down a dragon with 10 arrows with my new legendary ebony bow, with no enchantements.
I've seen that you can max conjuration in 20 minutes by casting soul trap on a corpse, but I won't do that. Of course, you can avoid such methods, but once you know them, it is hard to ignore and level it in a sub-optimal way. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31799 Posts |
Posted - 18 Nov 2011 : 23:34:44
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I usually qualify the difference between a "good" game and a "great" game by the feeling I have after the first one-hundred hours of gameplay.
With Skyrim, I've now reached one-hundred hours and I feel that I have yet to even scratch the surface of what this world has to offer. That, to me at least, constitutes a "great" game.
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Kilvan
Senior Scribe
Canada
896 Posts |
Posted - 19 Nov 2011 : 00:14:38
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Originally posted by The Sage
I usually qualify the difference between a "good" game and a "great" game by the feeling I have after the first one-hundred hours of gameplay.
With Skyrim, I've now reached one-hundred hours and I feel that I have yet to even scratch the surface of what this world has to offer. That, to me at least, constitutes a "great" game.
One hundred hours? The game has been out for a week! Is Sage-time slowing while playing RPGs? |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31799 Posts |
Posted - 19 Nov 2011 : 01:35:14
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Originally posted by Kilvan
One hundred hours? The game has been out for a week! Is Sage-time slowing while playing RPGs?
I've been playing in-between bouts of work, writing, reading, family-commitments, and other miscellaneous stuff.
As for SageTime... the players at my gaming table have come to expect a significant slowing in that strange phenomenon whenever a new Elder Scrolls game has been released in the past. Skyrim is no different.  |
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Artemas Entreri
Great Reader
USA
3131 Posts |
Posted - 21 Nov 2011 : 14:25:11
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Originally posted by The Sage
I usually qualify the difference between a "good" game and a "great" game by the feeling I have after the first one-hundred hours of gameplay.
With Skyrim, I've now reached one-hundred hours and I feel that I have yet to even scratch the surface of what this world has to offer. That, to me at least, constitutes a "great" game.
The scale and level of detail in Skyrim is truly amazing. One of my fiends is level 58! Does anyone know what the level cap is? |
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Artemas Entreri
Great Reader
USA
3131 Posts |
Posted - 21 Nov 2011 : 14:27:18
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Originally posted by entreri3478
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Originally posted by The Sage
I usually qualify the difference between a "good" game and a "great" game by the feeling I have after the first one-hundred hours of gameplay.
With Skyrim, I've now reached one-hundred hours and I feel that I have yet to even scratch the surface of what this world has to offer. That, to me at least, constitutes a "great" game.
*replace fiends with friends, i don't want anyone to think i associate with denizens of the Nine Hells
The scale and level of detail in Skyrim is truly amazing. One of my fiends is level 58! Does anyone know what the level cap is?
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Kilvan
Senior Scribe
Canada
896 Posts |
Posted - 21 Nov 2011 : 15:25:28
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There's a 'soft level cap' at 50, after which it takes much longer to level up. The real level cap is 81, which is with all skills at 100.
I played a lot since last week, probably around 50 hours (I don't have access to Sage-time manipulation myself), and I'm level 53. I achieved that level so quickly by frequently using sneak, archery, restoration, alteration, conjuration, light armor, one-handed weapons, lockpicking and pickpocketing. I used trainers at every levels since levels 10; I didn't level up in a dungeon if I forgot to visit a trainer in the previous level. I did that until level 30-35, after which I took an evening to level up the 3 crafting skills, which gave me about 20 levels in a couple of hours; including trainer skills at every level, that was expensive!
I could continue to level up at this pace by switching completely to heavy armor with a shield and destruction magic, I'm sure I could level up 10 times in an evening, easy. The key is variety, a simple heavy armor/2-handed weapon build is going to take ages to level up, by since you can finish the game at level 20 easily, it's not a problem.
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Artemas Entreri
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Posted - 21 Nov 2011 : 16:35:06
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Originally posted by Kilvan
There's a 'soft level cap' at 50, after which it takes much longer to level up. The real level cap is 81, which is with all skills at 100.
I played a lot since last week, probably around 50 hours (I don't have access to Sage-time manipulation myself), and I'm level 53. I achieved that level so quickly by frequently using sneak, archery, restoration, alteration, conjuration, light armor, one-handed weapons, lockpicking and pickpocketing. I used trainers at every levels since levels 10; I didn't level up in a dungeon if I forgot to visit a trainer in the previous level. I did that until level 30-35, after which I took an evening to level up the 3 crafting skills, which gave me about 20 levels in a couple of hours; including trainer skills at every level, that was expensive!
I could continue to level up at this pace by switching completely to heavy armor with a shield and destruction magic, I'm sure I could level up 10 times in an evening, easy. The key is variety, a simple heavy armor/2-handed weapon build is going to take ages to level up, by since you can finish the game at level 20 easily, it's not a problem.
I'm glad to see they raised it from the weak 30 Level cap from Fallout 3. The ability to have a HIGH level character always means more playtime for myself. I almost wish they would switch to an experience based level system though. |
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Seravin
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1303 Posts |
Posted - 21 Nov 2011 : 16:36:55
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I'm avoiding powerleveling and trainers (although when you're just below a skill level needed for a new perk, it's tempting!); just enjoying the game and doing quests. Holy heck there are so many. This game is just..massive. And the quests are actually pretty damn good!!
Everyone always praises Bioware for their story...Dragon Age 2 quests and story all sucked compared to Skryim's quests so far and Bethesda is known for having great sandbox, not great story. Oblivion's main quest sucked but every quest line I've done in Skyrim so far has been great. I can't wait to start the civil war next...
Leaving the main quest til last as I want to be high level and make it feel epic. I just got married and am trying to buy a house in Riften, the best city aesthetically (I like the eternal autumn look of the place!).
My next character will be an evil Khajit assassin... |
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Seravin
Master of Realmslore
Canada
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Posted - 21 Nov 2011 : 16:37:21
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Seravin
Master of Realmslore
Canada
1303 Posts |
Posted - 21 Nov 2011 : 16:47:42
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I almost wish they would switch to an experience based level system though.
Would be awesome to go the traditional route, but TES series has always thought to try to be realistic, so that if you pick locks you become better at picking locks, not swinging swords or casting spells. Now that they don't have classes anymore it is even more unlikely to go. Maybe a user mod can get rid of the whole system but it's very pervasive. I'd like to see a kill monsters get exp spend points on the skills you'd like, too, because it's how RPGs have always been with me. But I see Bethesda's point of view, and the new perk system is awesome. So much potential.
It makes me excited for what games will be coming out in 10 years or so when they perfect radiant AI... |
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Kilvan
Senior Scribe
Canada
896 Posts |
Posted - 21 Nov 2011 : 17:05:08
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I think the current leveling system is working well, but leaves rooms to crazy powerleveling by glitches and tricks (like casting soul trap on a corpse).
Crafting skills are currently the problem IMO, they should be straight out removed for the main leveling system and be independant skills. Also, low level items (like iron daggers) shouldn't give the same amount to exp than a dragonscale fullplate, its just stupid; of course I'll be doing just iron daggers to level up! Heck, the lady besides the forge sells iron ingots and leather, the only components for crafting it! Buy all, craft all, wait 48 hours, repeat. These same daggers should give no exp at all past a certain level, like the WoW crafting system. Love them or hate them, their mechanics work.
I hope next week's update will be efficient, cause I currently have 3 quests I can't complete due to glitches, including one from the Companion questline, and that pisses me off!
EDIT: I should mention that powerleveling is not nearly as bad as previous games, where almost every skills could be leveled in a cheap way. All spells gave exp outside of combat, open lock spells gave exp even on unlocked doors, cures gave exp even when HP was full, stuff like that. The soul trap glitch is currently the only one I've found (and didn't use) and it could be solved in the next patch |
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Artemas Entreri
Great Reader
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Posted - 21 Nov 2011 : 19:23:57
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Originally posted by Seravin
I'm avoiding powerleveling and trainers (although when you're just below a skill level needed for a new perk, it's tempting!); just enjoying the game and doing quests. Holy heck there are so many. This game is just..massive. And the quests are actually pretty damn good!!
Everyone always praises Bioware for their story...Dragon Age 2 quests and story all sucked compared to Skryim's quests so far and Bethesda is known for having great sandbox, not great story. Oblivion's main quest sucked but every quest line I've done in Skyrim so far has been great. I can't wait to start the civil war next...
Leaving the main quest til last as I want to be high level and make it feel epic. I just got married and am trying to buy a house in Riften, the best city aesthetically (I like the eternal autumn look of the place!).
My next character will be an evil Khajit assassin...
Can you purchase a house in each of the larger cities as you could in Oblivion? I have purchased one house so far, but haven't seen any for sale in some of the smaller cities. |
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Seravin
Master of Realmslore
Canada
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Posted - 22 Nov 2011 : 17:45:44
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I think there are only about 5 houses for sale, I haven't spoiled myself though. The house in Riften is nice! You can do a quick google on the TES Wiki I'm sure it will tell you?
For sure White Run, Riften, and Solitude have houses.
I have the game on the PS3 and just ran into the bug that has ruined the game for me until the patch. The game is unplayable now. I hope the patch fixes previous saves and isn't just a "going forward" remedy or I'll have wasted 25 hours. Sad!
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Seravin
Master of Realmslore
Canada
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Posted - 22 Nov 2011 : 17:48:09
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Also - I agree with you Kilvan, I think only the combat related skills should level you up since the beasts are all scaled to your level, not sure being low level with swords/sorcery/armour but high level in lockpicking means I can take out a Deadra. Scaling should be based on your combat skills and gear perhaps rather than pure level or just make the crafting skills have little effect on your character level.
And for sure, low level crafting items like daggers should cap what they can increase...actually fixing that may solve the whole problem, since you're unlikely to get high level ingredients for crafting if you're low level and poor.
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