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Dennis
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 Posted - 11 Nov 2011 : 03:03:09
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Originally posted by jordanz
Kane versus Szass Tam
Raidon Kane? Hmm. Szass Tam could pulverize him without even lifting a finger. |
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jordanz
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Posted - 11 Nov 2011 : 03:05:49
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Originally posted by Dennis
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Originally posted by jordanz
Kane versus Szass Tam
Raidon Kane? Hmm. Szass Tam could pulverize him without even lifting a finger.
No not the Cerculean sigh Kane, the Bloodstone pass uber monk who is feared by multiple ancient Dragons. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 11 Nov 2011 : 03:22:13
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Never heard of him before. But I read his entry in FR Wiki. Doesn't sound like someone foolish enough to challenge a powerful centuries-old lich. The only way he'd have a remote---very remote---chance of successfully delivering a blow at Szass Tam is when another Spellplague hits Toril and incapacitates all spellcasters. |
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Ayrik
Great Reader
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Posted - 11 Nov 2011 : 03:42:54
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| His entry seems about on par with Malark, another monk who did manage to irk Szass considerably. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 11 Nov 2011 : 03:46:34
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You forget that Malark became a Red Wizard. Kane is no wizard. |
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jordanz
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 11 Nov 2011 : 03:54:00
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Originally posted by Ayrik
His entry seems about on par with Malark, another monk who did manage to irk Szass considerably.
Malark is deadly but I'd put Kane over him. Kane was able to deliver the Killing blow to a 30th level archmage, he could be the most Dangerous man in the realms, really he's transcended humanity, dont sleep on him. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 11 Nov 2011 : 04:06:44
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Intriguing. Who's that archmage? |
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_Jarlaxle_
Senior Scribe
Germany
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Posted - 11 Nov 2011 : 10:00:09
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Zhengyi I would guess
and here are a lot of matchups where one is significantly stronger than the other imho  |
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Dennis
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Posted - 11 Nov 2011 : 10:40:16
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Really? How exactly did that happen? Did he just wake up one day and find out he "forgot" how to cast spells except simple cantrips?
This [seemingly?] unlikely matchup reminds me of Erikson's characters. Don't get me wrong, I like all the Malazan novels I've read so far, but when I see a god, an Elder God for that matter, whose mastery of sorcery should have lent them great advantage, being bludgeoned by an ordinary soldier, I couldn't help but wonder if Erikson is trying to deliver a lame joke or whatever. |
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Firestorm
Senior Scribe
Canada
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Posted - 11 Nov 2011 : 22:28:12
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Originally posted by jordanz
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Originally posted by Ayrik
His entry seems about on par with Malark, another monk who did manage to irk Szass considerably.
Malark is deadly but I'd put Kane over him. Kane was able to deliver the Killing blow to a 30th level archmage, he could be the most Dangerous man in the realms, really he's transcended humanity, dont sleep on him.
By killing blow, you mean "Destroyed his phylactery". The only way to kill a lich(Destroying their body does nothing, as they reform very shortly after) with the help of an entire band of epic level characters. It was not like it was some 1 on 1 battle.
In any case, it all depends who is writing it. Bob's style is exciting, and tends to fall more into the "my characters are invincible in combat" style, as opposed to authors who use a different approach. It does not mean that those characters are the end all of fighting in the realms.
The unfortunate honest truth in the realms is that prepared high level magic users(Not the simple fireball/lightning guys you see in Salvatore books. I mean real wizards) are pretty much unkillable in single combat by non magic users. Liches even more so since, well, they cannot be taken down permanently unless you know how to find their phylactery(Which are usually hidden and warded so powerfully against scrying that only an equally powerful Wizard who knew where to look could find it) So they are probably not the best folks to throw in a deathmatch unless it is against another magic user. |
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Icelander
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 12 Nov 2011 : 02:03:50
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Originally posted by entreri3478
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Originally posted by Seethyr
In a baby pool full of jelly? You're my boy Blue!!!!
Anywhoo...I'd like to see a man vs. man vs. man matchup between Elaith, Cale and Entreri. Have it in a Thunderdome...three men enter, one man leaves.
That would be a good one...or how about a 4-way: Cale, Riven, Elaith, Entreri?
Cale, Riven and Entreri have occasionally shown a regrettably direct, violent streak which might predispose them to agree to such a match.
Elaith, however, would not be caught dead relying on clumsy brawn to solve disputes. He'd use some of his immense fortune to fix the fight (learning the layout of the traps and weapons beforehand, having a weapon custom-made to target weaknesses of his foes concealed in a handy location he could reach, his rivals poisoned before the fight, etc.) and then move on to more important things. |
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Firestorm
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Posted - 12 Nov 2011 : 10:39:49
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Originally posted by Dennis
Heh. Too many to mention. But I'd mention some...
Telamont vs. Mephistopheles. Battleground: Cania.
Rivalen vs. The Simbul.
Larloch vs. Vosthym. Battleground: Any dead planet.
Szass Tam vs. Sammaster.
Zethrindor vs. Brennus.
And to top it all: Halruaan bakers vs. Thayan cooks.
Battleground Cania makes it a bit too unfair lol.
I am assuming we mean Rivalen now, not before.
Larloch vs Vhostim...Aren"t liches mostly immune to psionics? Kinda takes away half of the sojourner's arsenal, making him only a relatively powerful archmage.
Szass Tam vs Sammaster....I think I would rather Szass Tam vs Necrosyquar Shoon VII.....who is the true king of Necromancers! The Lich king of Thay or the forgotten level 36 Necromancer Demilich Emperor of the shoon empire who only recently became active again.
I am trying to think of a good Dragon deathmatch involving Daurgothoth "The creeping doom". That ridiculous 20wiz/5arc Cr49 dracolich. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 12 Nov 2011 : 11:26:58
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Originally posted by Firestorm
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Originally posted by Dennis
Heh. Too many to mention. But I'd mention some...
Telamont vs. Mephistopheles. Battleground: Cania.
Rivalen vs. The Simbul.
Larloch vs. Vosthym. Battleground: Any dead planet.
Szass Tam vs. Sammaster.
Zethrindor vs. Brennus.
And to top it all: Halruaan bakers vs. Thayan cooks.
Battleground Cania makes it a bit too unfair lol.
I am assuming we mean Rivalen now, not before.
Larloch vs Vhostim...Aren"t liches mostly immune to psionics? Kinda takes away half of the sojourner's arsenal, making him only a relatively powerful archmage.
Their confrontation in the city of Shade was very favorable to Telamont. 'Tis time to see the opposite. Even in Cania, and for that matter in all the layers of the Nine Hells, shadows do exist. I suppose Telamont can wrest control of those shadows. He doesn't have to be in or near his city to win any battles.
Vhostym is still formidable even without his psionic power. And oh, I forgot to specify, the time of their battle should be years before his body started to deteriorate. [Assuming, of course, that Larloch had already transformed into a lich by that time.] |
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Quale
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 12 Nov 2011 : 12:17:11
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Dennis
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9933 Posts |
Posted - 12 Nov 2011 : 12:56:46
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I suppose that's before he became an undead Elder Brain? |
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Arcanus
Senior Scribe
485 Posts |
Posted - 12 Nov 2011 : 22:32:13
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Yoss
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 12 Nov 2011 : 23:12:26
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I only just started reading the Cale trilogy, so I only know of Riven from his limited appearance PSK's book & story from the Sembia series (and this would probably bias my bet) on an Entreri vs Riven battle. But I'd take that over the Elaith, Cale, Entreri, Riven showdown. Too much magic/divine power with those other two involved (and I think Icelander's right about Elaith not dirtying his hands).
Khelben vs Cadderly for sheer weirdness of I don't think that's gonna work... |
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Dennis
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Posted - 13 Nov 2011 : 02:32:56
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Riven is now a demigod. So, obviously, he'd crush Entreri with scant effort. |
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Ayrik
Great Reader
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Posted - 13 Nov 2011 : 03:40:01
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Entreri can hardly handle a single exceptional drow ranger, no matter how often they battle, no matter how much time passes. You'd think he would've just hired a competent crew of warriors and mages and assassins to attack Drizzt (or his companions) and just have done with it. He's not a truly formidable nemesis, just a tenaciously unkillable recurring one.
Forget Entreri's chances against Drasek Riven, assassin, shade, and divine Exarch/Chosen of Mask. Perfection of style and puissant skill at arms are utterly insufficient for the task. He might as well try duelling the wind. |
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Artemas Entreri
Great Reader
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Posted - 13 Nov 2011 : 04:50:24
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Danica vs Malark.
good one
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Artemas Entreri
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Posted - 13 Nov 2011 : 04:52:26
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quote:
Originally posted by Icelander
quote:
Originally posted by entreri3478
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Originally posted by Seethyr
In a baby pool full of jelly? You're my boy Blue!!!!
Anywhoo...I'd like to see a man vs. man vs. man matchup between Elaith, Cale and Entreri. Have it in a Thunderdome...three men enter, one man leaves.
That would be a good one...or how about a 4-way: Cale, Riven, Elaith, Entreri?
Cale, Riven and Entreri have occasionally shown a regrettably direct, violent streak which might predispose them to agree to such a match.
Elaith, however, would not be caught dead relying on clumsy brawn to solve disputes. He'd use some of his immense fortune to fix the fight (learning the layout of the traps and weapons beforehand, having a weapon custom-made to target weaknesses of his foes concealed in a handy location he could reach, his rivals poisoned before the fight, etc.) and then move on to more important things.
You are putting WAY too much thought into this |
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 13 Nov 2011 : 04:57:35
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Khelben Arunsun vs Gromph Baenre. Battleground: Undermountain, preferably while Halaster is "asleep." |
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Ayrik
Great Reader
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Posted - 13 Nov 2011 : 07:25:15
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| But Halaster never sleeps! So they say about the Chosen (and probably ex-Chosen) of Mystra. Or at the least some group of Halasters are conscious at any given time. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 13 Nov 2011 : 07:45:01
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Well, then he should be preoccupied with something he could never leave no matter the situation. Something like, say, taking a shower. |
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_Jarlaxle_
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Posted - 13 Nov 2011 : 10:34:35
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quote:
Originally posted by Firestorm
By killing blow, you mean "Destroyed his phylactery". The only way to kill a lich(Destroying their body does nothing, as they reform very shortly after) with the help of an entire band of epic level characters. It was not like it was some 1 on 1 battle.
In any case, it all depends who is writing it. Bob's style is exciting, and tends to fall more into the "my characters are invincible in combat" style, as opposed to authors who use a different approach. It does not mean that those characters are the end all of fighting in the realms.
The unfortunate honest truth in the realms is that prepared high level magic users(Not the simple fireball/lightning guys you see in Salvatore books. I mean real wizards) are pretty much unkillable in single combat by non magic users. Liches even more so since, well, they cannot be taken down permanently unless you know how to find their phylactery(Which are usually hidden and warded so powerfully against scrying that only an equally powerful Wizard who knew where to look could find it) So they are probably not the best folks to throw in a deathmatch unless it is against another magic user.
I think you confused this thread with the one about the autors we hate 
Anyways a little hint, there is no story about the war in Damra between Zhengyi and Kanes group by Salvatore... |
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Firestorm
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Posted - 13 Nov 2011 : 13:05:18
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Originally posted by _Jarlaxle_
quote:
Originally posted by Firestorm
By killing blow, you mean "Destroyed his phylactery". The only way to kill a lich(Destroying their body does nothing, as they reform very shortly after) with the help of an entire band of epic level characters. It was not like it was some 1 on 1 battle.
In any case, it all depends who is writing it. Bob's style is exciting, and tends to fall more into the "my characters are invincible in combat" style, as opposed to authors who use a different approach. It does not mean that those characters are the end all of fighting in the realms.
The unfortunate honest truth in the realms is that prepared high level magic users(Not the simple fireball/lightning guys you see in Salvatore books. I mean real wizards) are pretty much unkillable in single combat by non magic users. Liches even more so since, well, they cannot be taken down permanently unless you know how to find their phylactery(Which are usually hidden and warded so powerfully against scrying that only an equally powerful Wizard who knew where to look could find it) So they are probably not the best folks to throw in a deathmatch unless it is against another magic user.
I think you confused this thread with the one about the autors we hate
Anyways a little hint, there is no story about the war in Damra between Zhengyi and Kanes group by Salvatore...
Kane, Gareth, Zhengyi, etc are all characters taken from the bloodstone lands module of 1st Ed DnD by Douglas Niles and Michael Dobson, and Salvatore did an updated version revamp of the module
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Throne_of_Bloodstone
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bloodstone_Lands
For the record, I love Bob :) |
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_Jarlaxle_
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Posted - 13 Nov 2011 : 13:10:05
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| Ah cool, didn't know that cause I only read the novels |
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 13 Nov 2011 : 13:23:52
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Alassra vs Iyraclea. Though given that both are favored servants of two greater deities, 'tis possible that their patrons may interfere overtly. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 13 Nov 2011 : 13:46:32
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Agent 47 vs Jason Bourne. Battleground: any place where there are no civilians.
[Am I on the right thread? ] |
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Arcanus
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Posted - 13 Nov 2011 : 14:19:31
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Do you think authors get a kick out of threads like these? Seeing scribes discussing which character can kick another characters arse and thinking "I created that guy/girl etc, he kicks booty"!
I know I would lol. |
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