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Artemas Entreri
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Posted - 02 Dec 2011 :  16:36:12  Show Profile Send Artemas Entreri a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Seravin

Kinda hard not to notice a glitch like a dragon flying backwards and all over the place at the speed of sound while shrieking and breathing fire.

I like the dragons though (pre patch 1.02 anyway) and they are being fixed next week. Definitely pick it up after the patch or now and wait til after the patch to play.

The lag on the PS3 can be pretty brutal, again a glitch like not being able to talk to NPCs or interact with merchants because the lag is so bad is hard not to notice, whether you "go looking for it" or not.

The game is great but please don't assume people who are having bug issues are nitpicking. The code is severely buggy (but will be fixed with patches and user mods when the creator kit comes out!)



Haven't seen anything of the sort on the 360. All hail Xbox

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Artemas Entreri
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Posted - 02 Dec 2011 :  16:38:36  Show Profile Send Artemas Entreri a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Imp

quote:
Originally posted by entreri3478

quote:
Originally posted by Imp

To see if there are any?



Skyrim is too massive to spend time looking for programming glitches. I see the occasional glitch and it usualy makes me laugh


Some explore the world.
Some immerse themselves into the story.
Some enjoy the fighting.
Some look for glitches.



The beauty of playing a HUGE sandbox game like Skyrim is that there is nearly an unlimited of things you can spend your time doing. Personally i enjoy pickpocketing townsfolk and then planting their stolen items in other people's homes...or planting them on other people

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Seravin
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Posted - 02 Dec 2011 :  17:19:18  Show Profile Send Seravin a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Xbox version definitely seems like it got the most love. As proof, they are getting DLC 30 days earlier than the PS3 and the PC, and their version is the least buggy of the 3. Although resistances are broken on all 3 versions right now.
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Artemas Entreri
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Posted - 02 Dec 2011 :  19:37:25  Show Profile Send Artemas Entreri a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Seravin

Xbox version definitely seems like it got the most love. As proof, they are getting DLC 30 days earlier than the PS3 and the PC, and their version is the least buggy of the 3. Although resistances are broken on all 3 versions right now.



Heard any rumors about possible DLC content yet?

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Chosen of Asmodeus
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Posted - 04 Dec 2011 :  14:21:43  Show Profile  Visit Chosen of Asmodeus's Homepage Send Chosen of Asmodeus a Private Message  Reply with Quote
So what kind of character has everyone gone with? Race, skill focus, that sort of thing. And what side of the rebellion have you joined, if any?

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Kilvan
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Posted - 05 Dec 2011 :  13:48:39  Show Profile Send Kilvan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I went with a High Elf thief, using mainly sneak, archery, restoration, alteration, conjuration, one-handed weapons and light armor. Outside of combats, I leveled smithing, enchanting, pickpocket and lockpicking. I didn't use any non-mandatory companions, and I never had much trouble wiping dungeons.
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Seravin
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Posted - 05 Dec 2011 :  14:05:22  Show Profile Send Seravin a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Breton pure destruction mage, dual weilded, no armour. Destruction doesn't scale in damage the way the weapon skills do, so it's apparently not as viable in the higher levels since the world scales up everytime you level. But the impact perk is permanent stagger lock on enemies, so it's not that hard. I also have conjuration, alteration and restoration as my less major focus (What can I say, I like Invokers!)
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Artemas Entreri
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Posted - 05 Dec 2011 :  14:22:05  Show Profile Send Artemas Entreri a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Chosen of Asmodeus

So what kind of character has everyone gone with? Race, skill focus, that sort of thing. And what side of the rebellion have you joined, if any?



So far i have 3 characters:

1) Male Khajit Assassin, level 40- focusing on Sneak, Archery, Alchemy, Illusion, One-Hand (using 2 daggers)

2) Male High Elf Magic User, level 33- focusing on all magical

3) Female Nord Hunter/Warrior, level 23- focusing on Archery, One-Hand (with shield), Sneak, Smithing, Light Armor.

All 3 characters are tons of fun to roleplay since the play style is totally different and i can pick who i feel like playing that day. This game is so massive that i have yet to begin either the main quest or the civil war stuff. Only a few quests into the Companions, DB, and Mages College for each character.LOVING IT

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Quale
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Posted - 05 Dec 2011 :  16:12:58  Show Profile Send Quale a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I tried a bit of everything with the same character, level 68 Breton, started with destruction, then one-handed, archery, even two-handed with the Ebony Blade. Killed Ulfric cause the Stormcloaks want only Nords, and there was the Thalmor file. The war was disappointing, I found out too late that a treaty is possible.
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Kilvan
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Posted - 05 Dec 2011 :  18:58:30  Show Profile Send Kilvan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Quale
The war was disappointing, I found out too late that a treaty is possible.



It is? I just joined the Stormcloacks and helped them take Solitude, I never saw an opportunity for peace.
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Seravin
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Canada
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Posted - 05 Dec 2011 :  19:20:15  Show Profile Send Seravin a Private Message  Reply with Quote
All the joinable faction quests so far have been disappointing to me...too short and not enough reaction from NPCs to show that you did anything after it was over (telling me as Arch Mage I should "go join the mages college" umm I'm the ****ing Arch Mage of that college dipcrap). The civil war was a big let down in terms of length and depth. Go to this fort, kill everyone. Rinse and repeat until we take the final town.

Should have been much longer with a lot more espionage and diplomacy quests and only a few army battles (not me and 4 soldiers take over a fort Rambo style). SO much potential, yet not that great.

I think Oblivion and Morrowind did the guild quests better.

Voice-acting has really limited roleplaying games I think...they are constrained by how much spoken dialogue they can pay for and fit into the console games. Sad.
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Alystra Illianniis
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Posted - 05 Dec 2011 :  19:30:17  Show Profile Send Alystra Illianniis a Private Message  Reply with Quote
*SPOILER ALERT!!*

That comes later in the main quest line, where you get to have both sides plus the Thalmors sit down togehter to sign a treaty.


I'm playing the 360 version, and so far the only glitches I've seen involve the occasional animal getting caught on scenery, water not appearing in certain stretches of rivers, and I had a problem with the corpse of the first magor draugr warlord in Bleak Falls Barrow (the one you find your fisrt shout in) not being able to be activated (no message to open the corspe and take his stuff.) It took me five tries to open it and get the dragonstone- but that was with my second PC. The first time through, I did not have that problem.

My main PC so far is a dark elf bard (dual-wielding one-hand, restoration, speechcraft, lockpicking, alchemy, sneak, and light armor). I must say the only real complaint I have had was with the general appearance of the elves. Most of them do not look as good as they did in Oblivion. The facial morphs were just to "ugly" for an elf, if you know what I mean. Especially the dark elves. They end up looking too old, gaunt, and "hard" IMO.

My other PC is a high elf female "blade-singer", mostly destruction, light armor, one-handed, alchemy, restoration, alteration, and archery. Fortunately, the morphs on them are better, so she did not look as weird as my other one, but I'm still a bit disappointed with the elves appearances overall. Thinking of playing a kahjit next. THEY look awesome! (Character creation is one thing I really look for- does it LOOK like you want it to be?"

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Artemas Entreri
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Posted - 05 Dec 2011 :  19:48:51  Show Profile Send Artemas Entreri a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis

*SPOILER ALERT!!*

That comes later in the main quest line, where you get to have both sides plus the Thalmors sit down togehter to sign a treaty.


I'm playing the 360 version, and so far the only glitches I've seen involve the occasional animal getting caught on scenery, water not appearing in certain stretches of rivers, and I had a problem with the corpse of the first magor draugr warlord in Bleak Falls Barrow (the one you find your fisrt shout in) not being able to be activated (no message to open the corspe and take his stuff.) It took me five tries to open it and get the dragonstone- but that was with my second PC. The first time through, I did not have that problem.

My main PC so far is a dark elf bard (dual-wielding one-hand, restoration, speechcraft, lockpicking, alchemy, sneak, and light armor). I must say the only real complaint I have had was with the general appearance of the elves. Most of them do not look as good as they did in Oblivion. The facial morphs were just to "ugly" for an elf, if you know what I mean. Especially the dark elves. They end up looking too old, gaunt, and "hard" IMO.

My other PC is a high elf female "blade-singer", mostly destruction, light armor, one-handed, alchemy, restoration, alteration, and archery. Fortunately, the morphs on them are better, so she did not look as weird as my other one, but I'm still a bit disappointed with the elves appearances overall. Thinking of playing a kahjit next. THEY look awesome! (Character creation is one thing I really look for- does it LOOK like you want it to be?"



I agree 100%. The elves looked great in Oblivion and in Skyrim they look strange to me. The khajit and argonians are awesome however!

I wish there was more customization avaiable when making your character though. I feel a little limited in how i can make them look. Also, i would love the ability be able to change your hair style or add/subtract war paint at any point in the game.

The level of detail in the landscapes and underground levels is truly amazing. It takes me forever to finish a "dungeon" because i spend so much time fully enjoying the setting.

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Alystra Illianniis
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Posted - 05 Dec 2011 :  20:00:54  Show Profile Send Alystra Illianniis a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Agreed. I have actually sat with the camera panned up just to watch the auroras that show up at night on occasion. Or followed a stream just to see where it goes. And then there was a spriggan cave that a friend was exploring with his character yesterday. It was gorgeous!!

So far, my biggest problem seems to be the difficulty scale of some creatures. I can kill a dragon in the wild ALONE, but throw a saber-tooth at me and I'm cat-chow??!

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Kilvan
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Canada
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Posted - 05 Dec 2011 :  20:39:28  Show Profile Send Kilvan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
That sums it up

http://penny-arcade.com/comic/2011/11/09
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Seravin
Master of Realmslore

Canada
1297 Posts

Posted - 05 Dec 2011 :  21:25:58  Show Profile Send Seravin a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I love the dragons, but they are woefully too numerous and easy in the game. I would rather they have been super duper hard and much more rare, so that an event with meeting one would be a "HOLY POOPY A DRAGON" and make you drop whatever you're doing and find guards or NPCs to help you and be an epic battle.

Instead, a cave bear can take out a dragon no sweat. And you end up with more Dragon Souls and bones than septims. Kinda a pity, because they are beautiful and scripted amazingly (well when they aren't version 1.02 broken and flying backwards). They are just too easy. If I put the difficulty slider up to Nightmare or whatever then the killer saber tooth cats one shot me.

Mod edit: Watch the language, please.

Edited by - Wooly Rupert on 05 Dec 2011 21:52:33
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Artemas Entreri
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Posted - 05 Dec 2011 :  21:29:33  Show Profile Send Artemas Entreri a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis

Agreed. I have actually sat with the camera panned up just to watch the auroras that show up at night on occasion. Or followed a stream just to see where it goes. And then there was a spriggan cave that a friend was exploring with his character yesterday. It was gorgeous!!

So far, my biggest problem seems to be the difficulty scale of some creatures. I can kill a dragon in the wild ALONE, but throw a saber-tooth at me and I'm cat-chow??!



Yeah some of the creatures seem a little hard as you are leveling up. I enjoy using archers so the dragons can be a little tricky.

I found a cave that has a GIANT tree inside that has beautiful lighting. It is actually a shrine for something and the giant roots block the path to the tree and i need to find this magical weapon to get through

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Artemas Entreri
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Posted - 05 Dec 2011 :  21:32:36  Show Profile Send Artemas Entreri a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Kilvan

That sums it up

http://penny-arcade.com/comic/2011/11/09



lol i have been knocked to the moon a few times myself

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Seravin
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Posted - 05 Dec 2011 :  22:17:21  Show Profile Send Seravin a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Good lord, we're discussing a game that has a graphic beheading in the opening scene and you're modding out a modified mispelled s word in my post done only for humour. American prudishness is so weird.
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 06 Dec 2011 :  00:14:37  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Seravin

Good lord, we're discussing a game that has a graphic beheading in the opening scene and you're modding out a modified mispelled s word in my post done only for humour. American prudishness is so weird.



I have no problem with the word, myself, and have more than once let fly with it. It is, however, against the Code of Conduct -- see the link in my sig.

Keep in mind that we do have younger members, and some of them -- or more likely their parents -- could find such language objectionable. And wanting to limit what one's children are exposed to is something that crosses all national borders.

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Quale
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Posted - 06 Dec 2011 :  06:30:12  Show Profile Send Quale a Private Message  Reply with Quote
In the beginning the first few dragons are not difficult, but later if you don't have Dragonrend they never land and are hard to hit. Depends on the difficulty, but I'd rather attack three mammoths and two giants, they're more predictable.

I liked the College of Winterhold and the Dark Brotherhood quests the most, then the Nightingale and a few of the Daedric ones. Most of the main quest, and the Skalds and Companions were not impressive. Overall the rewards are poor. I killed the most important people in that world and over 3000 other, but nothing changes, the jarls and guards remain the same.

quote:
Originally posted by Kilvan

quote:
Originally posted by Quale
The war was disappointing, I found out too late that a treaty is possible.



It is? I just joined the Stormcloacks and helped them take Solitude, I never saw an opportunity for peace.



If you complete most of the main quest first there's an option of negotiations, but both sides must gain something
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Chosen of Asmodeus
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Posted - 06 Dec 2011 :  10:28:25  Show Profile  Visit Chosen of Asmodeus's Homepage Send Chosen of Asmodeus a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by entreri3478

quote:
Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis

*SPOILER ALERT!!*

That comes later in the main quest line, where you get to have both sides plus the Thalmors sit down togehter to sign a treaty.


I'm playing the 360 version, and so far the only glitches I've seen involve the occasional animal getting caught on scenery, water not appearing in certain stretches of rivers, and I had a problem with the corpse of the first magor draugr warlord in Bleak Falls Barrow (the one you find your fisrt shout in) not being able to be activated (no message to open the corspe and take his stuff.) It took me five tries to open it and get the dragonstone- but that was with my second PC. The first time through, I did not have that problem.

My main PC so far is a dark elf bard (dual-wielding one-hand, restoration, speechcraft, lockpicking, alchemy, sneak, and light armor). I must say the only real complaint I have had was with the general appearance of the elves. Most of them do not look as good as they did in Oblivion. The facial morphs were just to "ugly" for an elf, if you know what I mean. Especially the dark elves. They end up looking too old, gaunt, and "hard" IMO.

My other PC is a high elf female "blade-singer", mostly destruction, light armor, one-handed, alchemy, restoration, alteration, and archery. Fortunately, the morphs on them are better, so she did not look as weird as my other one, but I'm still a bit disappointed with the elves appearances overall. Thinking of playing a kahjit next. THEY look awesome! (Character creation is one thing I really look for- does it LOOK like you want it to be?"



I agree 100%. The elves looked great in Oblivion and in Skyrim they look strange to me. The khajit and argonians are awesome however!

I wish there was more customization avaiable when making your character though. I feel a little limited in how i can make them look. Also, i would love the ability be able to change your hair style or add/subtract war paint at any point in the game.

The level of detail in the landscapes and underground levels is truly amazing. It takes me forever to finish a "dungeon" because i spend so much time fully enjoying the setting.



Elves looked god awful in Oblivion. I can't think of a single elf that didn't look somewhere between ridiculous and hideous in that game. I managed to make a couple but that took some serious time with the character creator.

Now, I'm not saying they look great in skyrim...well, I am saying that. What I mean is they don't look beautiful. Which I like. Skyrim makes the elves look alien. They're skeletal structure is different. Their eyes are bigger. They are deep, deep inside the uncanny valley and I think it's awesome. I love the idea of elves that are more than pretty humans with pointy ears.

Possible spoilers here on out.

As for me, I beat the game on my first playthrough with an orc berserker. I found melee combat to be enjoyable, especially in third person. It felt much more organic and fluid than in oblivion, and the execution animations were always enjoyable, even after seeing them dozens of times. I sided with the stormcloaks in the war; while far from perfect I believe they are right in rebelling against the shadow of an empire that allows agents of a foreign power to lead inquisitions throughout their territory, arresting their citizens, torturing them for information, and executing them with impunity.

I'm currently playing through again with a wood elf assassin. That's right, CoA is playing as an elf(technically I would be anyway as orcs are a type of elf in this setting). But I really like the bosmer in this game; they've got a heavy american indian vibe to them that resonates with me(I'm descended from two different tribes, myself). The stealth is almost as enjoyable as the full frontal assault, though I'm having a little trouble judging the arch of the bow at times, and a few enemies have glitched through my stealthing. I'm going Dark Brotherhood and Legion on this character, but haven't advanced very far in either quest as I've been focusing on sidequests and what not.

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Artemas Entreri
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Posted - 06 Dec 2011 :  16:37:02  Show Profile Send Artemas Entreri a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Anyone find any remarkable things while out hiking around? (things not on the map)

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Alystra Illianniis
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Posted - 06 Dec 2011 :  21:25:37  Show Profile Send Alystra Illianniis a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Really? Elves are SUPPOSED to look "pretty". Well, you know what I mean. I liked how they looked in Oblivion, as it was more true to how they are usually viewed/portrayed in most fantasy games/books/etc. The new "alien" look for them just didn't do it for me. Too much like the orcs, to be honest. And who needs another version of an orc? I'd rather keep the graceful,noble look of the elves from Oblivion- and I found that making them look really great was relatively easy in that game. Making them look even half-way decent in Skyrim was far more difficult. Not to mention there were so few choices in some parts of the charater generation that I was left feeling cheated in that respect. Couldn't even make a decent FR dark elf..... *sigh*

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Artemas Entreri
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Posted - 06 Dec 2011 :  21:28:00  Show Profile Send Artemas Entreri a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis

Really? Elves are SUPPOSED to look "pretty". Well, you know what I mean. I liked how they looked in Oblivion, as it was more true to how they are usually viewed/portrayed in most fantasy games/books/etc. The new "alien" look for them just didn't do it for me. Too much like the orcs, to be honest. And who needs another version of an orc? I'd rather keep the graceful,noble look of the elves from Oblivion- and I found that making them look really great was relatively easy in that game. Making them look even half-way decent in Skyrim was far more difficult. Not to mention there were so few choices in some parts of the charater generation that I was left feeling cheated in that respect. Couldn't even make a decent FR dark elf..... *sigh*



Lol yep! I couldn't even make a hot female elf character!

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Chosen of Asmodeus
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Posted - 07 Dec 2011 :  01:34:03  Show Profile  Visit Chosen of Asmodeus's Homepage Send Chosen of Asmodeus a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Firstly, they look nothing like orcs. Secondly, you guys must really not be trying if you couldn't make a good(if wierd) looking elf. Several of the presets looked just fine, and I was able to make a few nice looking ones while fiddling around with the character creator.

Secondly, the fact that they aren't true to the same cookie cutter elves are hot humans with pointy ears we've had to endure for decades is why I like it so much. The root word for "elven" is the same as the root word for "eldritch", as in "eldritch abomination" as in "H.P. Lovecraft on parade". The fair folk ( http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TheFairFolk ) are far more interesting to me than elves being "humans, but better and prettier."

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Chosen of Asmodeus
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Posted - 07 Dec 2011 :  10:01:23  Show Profile  Visit Chosen of Asmodeus's Homepage Send Chosen of Asmodeus a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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In the beginning the first few dragons are not difficult, but later if you don't have Dragonrend they never land and are hard to hit. Depends on the difficulty, but I'd rather attack three mammoths and two giants, they're more predictable.

I liked the College of Winterhold and the Dark Brotherhood quests the most, then the Nightingale and a few of the Daedric ones. Most of the main quest, and the Skalds and Companions were not impressive. Overall the rewards are poor. I killed the most important people in that world and over 3000 other, but nothing changes, the jarls and guards remain the same.

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The war was disappointing, I found out too late that a treaty is possible.



It is? I just joined the Stormcloacks and helped them take Solitude, I never saw an opportunity for peace.



If you complete most of the main quest first there's an option of negotiations, but both sides must gain something



The axe you get at the end of the companions quest is one of the bests two handed weapons in the game; it does the same damage as a daedric battle axe(significantly more to elves, which is half the enemies in the game) and weighs significantly less. The only downside is that it can't be upgraded with smithing.

And the "treaty" between the stormcloaks and the empire is a temporary ceasefire. The conflict'll start up again(storyline wise, anyway) after the dragon crisis is over.

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Alystra Illianniis
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Guess you must have different ideas about what constitutes a "good" elf in Skyrim/Oblivion/etc. "Eldrich" has NOTHING to do with Lovecraft. Elves have been around in folklore- and usually as tall, graceful, beautiful-appearing folk- for centuries. There's a REASON that Tolkien and his successors to the fantasy genre have depicted them that way. but the ones in Skyrim were a far cry from anything I'd consider "attractive" by any human standard. They had, generally speaking, the same sort of rough, hard, and cold or "mean" appearance as I'd expect from the orcs. I like elves to actually look "fey", not like a half-orc with really good hygeine... Heck some of the dark elf facial presets looked like they were on a perma-PMS bender. And fiddling with it for an HOUR left me with something that was only partially satisfying as far as creating the character I wanted. Oblivion, by contrast, gave me a PC who was (with the exception of eye-color) almost a PERFECT likeness for my D&D (N)PC! Not so thrying to re-create the same character in Skyrim. He ended up looking old, gaunt, and sinister. Not what I wanted. Even without any wrinkles or what-not, he still looked like he'd been around for at least seven hundred years. The high elf female I made was better, but still had a very alien and hard-cut look, like someone literally carved her out of a chunk of stone, without bothering to chisel off the edges..... May try a kahjit next- they seem to have better morphs than many of the humanoid races.

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Artemas Entreri
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Guess you must have different ideas about what constitutes a "good" elf in Skyrim/Oblivion/etc. "Eldrich" has NOTHING to do with Lovecraft. Elves have been around in folklore- and usually as tall, graceful, beautiful-appearing folk- for centuries. There's a REASON that Tolkien and his successors to the fantasy genre have depicted them that way. but the ones in Skyrim were a far cry from anything I'd consider "attractive" by any human standard. They had, generally speaking, the same sort of rough, hard, and cold or "mean" appearance as I'd expect from the orcs. I like elves to actually look "fey", not like a half-orc with really good hygeine... Heck some of the dark elf facial presets looked like they were on a perma-PMS bender. And fiddling with it for an HOUR left me with something that was only partially satisfying as far as creating the character I wanted. Oblivion, by contrast, gave me a PC who was (with the exception of eye-color) almost a PERFECT likeness for my D&D (N)PC! Not so thrying to re-create the same character in Skyrim. He ended up looking old, gaunt, and sinister. Not what I wanted. Even without any wrinkles or what-not, he still looked like he'd been around for at least seven hundred years. The high elf female I made was better, but still had a very alien and hard-cut look, like someone literally carved her out of a chunk of stone, without bothering to chisel off the edges..... May try a kahjit next- they seem to have better morphs than many of the humanoid races.



I made a Khajit assassin with darker fur and he looks absolutely SINISTER. I am with you about the elves in Skyrim though. To me they look like burnt out drug addicts. The ability to personalize the characters seems lacking to me as well. Khajit and Argonians look MUCH better than in Oblivion though IMHO

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Posted - 08 Dec 2011 :  08:43:08  Show Profile  Visit Chosen of Asmodeus's Homepage Send Chosen of Asmodeus a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Maybe I'm just looking at this from the angle of "all models in oblivion had terrible textures, stood horribly stiff, and had voices that grated on your ears" and combine that into "horribly ugly", though having replayed it only a few months ago I recall most npc's, especially elven npc's to be wrinkled to hell and back.

I just don't see orc in any of the elves. Hard? Sure. Elves in elder scrolls are supposed to be hard. Mean? Absolutely. They're all supposed to be mean. But I've still seen several males that I'd say had a certain "rugged" handsomeness to them and plenty of females with an exotic allure. But the simple fact remains that elves are not human and shouldn't look like humans.

In mythology elves were always something to be wary of if not something to be down right scared of. Whether through an alien set of morals or pure maliciousness, they were dangerous. Mer in elder scrolls reflect that; dunmer openly worship daedra and are bitterly xenophobic, bosmer are purely carnivorous and mildly cannibalistic, orsimer are, well, orcs, and altmer have this whole Thalmor mer-superiority movement going on. They're all strange if not outright hostile to their human neighbors. That their appearance reflects that ranks as a positive in my book, and makes them stand out among the sea of elves trying to cater to people's fetishes.

It might also be because I'm not trying to translate another character perfectly into the game, just making new ones. There's also the point that I don't particularly feel the need to make my characters attractive; my wood elf, while not unattractive, isn't exactly a head-turner either. Not to mention the rather large scar she has across her cheek. Suits me fine.

Anyway, I'm not convincing anyone and I'm not being convinced in turn. I'm ready to drop it and continue talking about in game experiences.

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