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Artemas Entreri
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 Posted - 06 Sep 2011 : 15:22:52
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Hello everyone. I just started reading book 3 of the Haunted Lands trilogy. I love this series so far, but just wanted to get your opinions on how book 3 begins 100 years after book 2. I am only 40 pages in so please don't give anything away about the rest of Unholy. Thanks!
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Seravin
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 06 Sep 2011 : 19:49:10
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| I didn't care for this trilogy (I know lots of people loved it), but the way Aznar Thrul met his demise was just...stupid. It made zero sense to me and soured the rest of the series. Plus the tone was just too morbid for my tastes. As for the 100 years skipping, I can't really hide my disgust for that plot device and how it was handled in the novels with basically no info on the years between (and how it ruined RA Salvatore's storylines and characters for me in particular) but that's 4th edition for you! *hides* |
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jornan
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 07 Sep 2011 : 22:31:46
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I loved this series personally and thought that RLB helped transition the Realms from 3rd to 4th edition in a way that I didn't hate (which I thought I would). I also like that RLB can take aspects from his previous series' as well as other authors series and interweave them in a way that feels like it is part of the living realms as a whole.
Also having an undead bard as your protagonist and making it work is pretty sweet in my books. In fact I like the fact that all the main characters are not typical, but also not too unique as to appear to be trying too hard. Greta balance.
Did I mention I liked it :) |
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Dennis
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Posted - 07 Sep 2011 : 23:23:02
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This trilogy is one of the best in FR fiction.
To entreri3478's question: It begins with a little bit of flashback, and a description of the current condition of the Brotherhood of the Griffon as well as the exiled zulkirs. [There's more, of course, but they might spoil things for you...so just ask what exactly you want to know.] |
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Artemas Entreri
Great Reader
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Posted - 08 Sep 2011 : 14:14:42
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Originally posted by Dennis
This trilogy is one of the best in FR fiction.
To entreri3478's question: It begins with a little bit of flashback, and a description of the current condition of the Brotherhood of the Griffon as well as the exiled zulkirs. [There's more, of course, but they might spoil things for you...so just ask what exactly you want to know.]
I'm halfway through the book now and still enjoying it very much; but it just feels weird that book 2 ends with this huge battle where the zulkirs ultimately get driven out of Thay and Szass Tam wins. Then book 3 begins 100 years later with little info on what happened since. Ravaged Thay, magical towers being built, undead everywhere. For me this series might have worked better as a quartet. It almost feels like Richard was halfway through writing the series when WOTC said that they want it to end 100 years later during the 4th edition. Thoughts?
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Seravin
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Posted - 08 Sep 2011 : 16:53:05
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| All you that love the series, please defend Aznar Thrul's demise to me, please. That bit of ugly contrivance/stupidity (i'm going to go without any items or clothes into a cell with my sworn enemy and undetected by me also an undead devildemonspawn vampire) was so hard to swallow...to say nothing of the massive amount of chain contingencies he'd have on his person when he was attacked like that. Contingency IS EVOCATION magic and he is the ZULKIR of evocation and he had none? God. Every other depiction of him had him super paranoid and masterfully intelligence. I hated that part so much. I guess they can ignore game rules/logic to make the plot work... |
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Artemas Entreri
Great Reader
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Posted - 08 Sep 2011 : 17:20:53
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Originally posted by Seravin
All you that love the series, please defend Aznar Thrul's demise to me, please. That bit of ugly contrivance/stupidity (i'm going to go without any items or clothes into a cell with my sworn enemy and undetected by me also an undead devildemonspawn vampire) was so hard to swallow...to say nothing of the massive amount of chain contingencies he'd have on his person when he was attacked like that. Contingency IS EVOCATION magic and he is the ZULKIR of evocation and he had none? God. Every other depiction of him had him super paranoid and masterfully intelligence. I hated that part so much. I guess they can ignore game rules/logic to make the plot work...
I agree that this particular part was a little odd. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 09 Sep 2011 : 00:20:23
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Originally posted by Seravin
All you that love the series, please defend Aznar Thrul's demise to me, please. That bit of ugly contrivance/stupidity (i'm going to go without any items or clothes into a cell with my sworn enemy and undetected by me also an undead devildemonspawn vampire) was so hard to swallow...to say nothing of the massive amount of chain contingencies he'd have on his person when he was attacked like that. Contingency IS EVOCATION magic and he is the ZULKIR of evocation and he had none? God. Every other depiction of him had him super paranoid and masterfully intelligence. I hated that part so much. I guess they can ignore game rules/logic to make the plot work...
Sorry to disappoint you, but I didn't like that part either. I am a fan of the zulkirs as much as of Szass Tam.
If you hated Aznar's death, think of the poor Mythrellan. She didn't even get a "proper death." It was only mentioned in passing that she died.
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Szass Tam's inconsistent actions also confused me a little. During their convocation, when his fellow zulkirs were to vote him as the temporary regent of Thay, he said [when it became clear that majority didn't vote for him] that even though he wanted to, he couldn't fight those who opposed him in a one-to-all battle. But ironically, that's exactly what he did in the end.
Despite that, I must say the good parts far outweigh the bad. I still love the series. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 09 Sep 2011 : 00:26:18
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Originally posted by entreri3478
I'm halfway through the book now and still enjoying it very much; but it just feels weird that book 2 ends with this huge battle where the zulkirs ultimately get driven out of Thay and Szass Tam wins. Then book 3 begins 100 years later with little info on what happened since. Ravaged Thay, magical towers being built, undead everywhere. For me this series might have worked better as a quartet. It almost feels like Richard was halfway through writing the series when WOTC said that they want it to end 100 years later during the 4th edition. Thoughts?
I think WotC made it clear that no novel should dwell on the Spellplague years so much.
Richard should write a supplementary novel, something like the "The Lost Files of Shattered Thay" or "The Lost Years..." detailing the events in the 100 years gap. |
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Therise
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 09 Sep 2011 : 01:15:01
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Originally posted by Seravin
All you that love the series, please defend Aznar Thrul's demise to me, please. That bit of ugly contrivance/stupidity (i'm going to go without any items or clothes into a cell with my sworn enemy and undetected by me also an undead devildemonspawn vampire) was so hard to swallow...to say nothing of the massive amount of chain contingencies he'd have on his person when he was attacked like that. Contingency IS EVOCATION magic and he is the ZULKIR of evocation and he had none? God. Every other depiction of him had him super paranoid and masterfully intelligence. I hated that part so much. I guess they can ignore game rules/logic to make the plot work...
I don't think I even got that far. I didn't care for the series at all. And I was really hoping I would, because I've enjoyed other things that Byers wrote.
I suppose I should try to finish it one day.
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Ayrik
Great Reader
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Posted - 09 Sep 2011 : 01:21:13
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About that spoiler, Dennis: I don't think those passages were inconsistent at all, of course Szass would lie about his true intentions and capacities - besides, maybe he was just being polite? He always preferred to wear a veneer of aristocratic civility in every interaction. Plus a lot of Realms-time passed before the next event you mentioned, during which Szass's skills increased rather substantially.
I do agree that Aznar's death wasn't described in the most "realistic" manner, yet neither was I particularly dissatisfied with it. It could be argued that Aznar's contingencies and masterful spellcraft and general dirty scheming Zulkir treachery and paranoia would've still been insufficient to prevail in that deadly encounter; perhaps a more lengthy and detailed duel full of evocation and counter-evocation would've been great, but too much text trying to describe with words what is better done by Hollywood would simply detract from the story. Besides, it was a necessary and comparatively minor scene in the novels, no need to languish it "realistically" over ten pages; Aznar needed to die, he fought, he died, next chapter.
I also agree that Mythrellan's death was far too cheap, hardly more than an offhandedly-mentioned tidbit inserted into half a sentence. RLB has already discussed this in his page; basically Mythrellan needed to be dead, so he killed her off to move on to the real meat of the story. I personally prefer to think (pretend, speculate, assume) that Mythrellan's death was mentioned so briefly and so vaguely because it was in fact a rather uncertain event surrounded by uncertain details; Mythrellan was the Zulkir of Illusion after all, what people believe happened would by no means necessarily be what actually happened. Reports of her death might have been greatly exaggerated, most especially since the peculiar quirks of D&D magic mean that Mythrellan's spells would be largely ineffective against Szass and his minions, while at the same time Mythrellan would likely be something of a theatrical, slippery, evasive, elusive, and cowardly individual ... if she had any idea at all about Szass Tam's plots (a not too unreasonable assumption, given that illusionists are fairly knowledgeable about divination; plus all Zulkirs have sources of information, and in her case, misinformation) then I think she would've simply manipulated what people believe to poof herself away from danger ... |
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Dennis
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Posted - 09 Sep 2011 : 01:35:17
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Spoilers:Yes, Szass Tam grew in power from the time they had that convocation. But so did his fellow zulkirs. The zulkirs were all prepared to kick his ass and did work in concert, yet he still managed to kill them all [and he didn't even need the element of surprise to do so]... I liked that battle because it was truly epic and described in artful and tasteful manner [a signature of Richard], yet I didn't like the result that much. I just take it as consolation that Richard said some of the zulkirs might have survived.
Edit: Placed spoiler alert and changed font color. Sorry, entreri3478, I hope you didn't read it.] |
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Dennis
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Posted - 09 Sep 2011 : 01:37:15
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Originally posted by Therise
I suppose I should try to finish it one day.
I suggest you do. At the very least, try to finish the first book. Your impressions might change after that. |
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Artemas Entreri
Great Reader
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Posted - 09 Sep 2011 : 14:05:04
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Originally posted by Dennis
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Originally posted by entreri3478
I'm halfway through the book now and still enjoying it very much; but it just feels weird that book 2 ends with this huge battle where the zulkirs ultimately get driven out of Thay and Szass Tam wins. Then book 3 begins 100 years later with little info on what happened since. Ravaged Thay, magical towers being built, undead everywhere. For me this series might have worked better as a quartet. It almost feels like Richard was halfway through writing the series when WOTC said that they want it to end 100 years later during the 4th edition. Thoughts?
I think WotC made it clear that no novel should dwell on the Spellplague years so much.
Richard should write a supplementary novel, something like the "The Lost Files of Shattered Thay" or "The Lost Years..." detailing the events in the 100 years gap.
I think this would be a great idea. Some of my favorite parts of books and movies are the building up phases. In this case it wouldn't exactly be empire-building, but it would be interesting to see how Tam goes about everything. |
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Artemas Entreri
Great Reader
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Posted - 09 Sep 2011 : 14:08:33
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Originally posted by Dennis
Spoilers:Yes, Szass Tam grew in power from the time they had that convocation. But so did his fellow zulkirs. The zulkirs were all prepared to kick his ass and did work in concert, yet he still managed to kill them all [and he didn't even need the element of surprise to do so]... I liked that battle because it was truly epic and described in artful and tasteful manner [a signature of Richard], yet I didn't like the result that much. I just take it as consolation that Richard said some of the zulkirs might have survived.
I didn't check back on this thread until this morning so I didn't read any of the spoiler sections, but thanks for the warning.
Edit: Placed spoiler alert and changed font color. Sorry, entreri3478, I hope you didn't read it.]
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Artemas Entreri
Great Reader
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Posted - 09 Sep 2011 : 14:13:07
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| Here is another thing i am curious about. Now that the Spellplague has been around for 100 years, how exactly is it affecting magic? I don't play D&D anymore (just reading the novels) so please forgive me if this sounds like a stupid question. When the Spellplague came around during the Haunted Lands series it obviously had disastrous physical effects on the geography, wizards botched spells, and terrible new monsters were created. But how does it currently affect spell casting? Thanks! |
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Dennis
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Posted - 09 Sep 2011 : 14:26:17
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Originally posted by entreri3478
Here is another thing i am curious about. Now that the Spellplague has been around for 100 years, how exactly is it affecting magic? I don't play D&D anymore (just reading the novels) so please forgive me if this sounds like a stupid question. When the Spellplague came around during the Haunted Lands series it obviously had disastrous physical effects on the geography, wizards botched spells, and terrible new monsters were created. But how does it currently affect spell casting? Thanks!
Its effects are quite erratic. Some people (known as spellscarred) were bestowed unique abilities, like Aoth Fezim and Raidon Kane. Some wizards were not affected at all, like Seren from Plague of Spells by Bruce R. Cordell. Others died from miscasting spells, or from some bizarre reasons like the one described by Mags at the end of PSK's Shadowrealm. Some wizards who managed to survive could no longer use the Art. Some just had to relearn everything. Others were rendered insane. |
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Artemas Entreri
Great Reader
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Posted - 09 Sep 2011 : 15:46:17
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Originally posted by Dennis
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Originally posted by entreri3478
Here is another thing i am curious about. Now that the Spellplague has been around for 100 years, how exactly is it affecting magic? I don't play D&D anymore (just reading the novels) so please forgive me if this sounds like a stupid question. When the Spellplague came around during the Haunted Lands series it obviously had disastrous physical effects on the geography, wizards botched spells, and terrible new monsters were created. But how does it currently affect spell casting? Thanks!
Its effects are quite erratic. Some people (known as spellscarred) were bestowed unique abilities, like Aoth Fezim and Raidon Kane. Some wizards were not affected at all, like Seren from Plague of Spells by Bruce R. Cordell. Others died from miscasting spells, or from some bizarre reasons like the one described by Mags at the end of PSK's Shadowrealm. Some wizards who managed to survive could no longer use the Art. Some just had to relearn everything. Others were rendered insane.
Hmm sort of reminds me of that wildmagic spell from 2nd ed where a random effect happened when the spell was cast: from having butterflies appear all the way to shooting a massive lightning bolt. |
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Ayrik
Great Reader
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Posted - 09 Sep 2011 : 16:40:23
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| My understanding is that Spellscarring is generally more manifest than simple exposure to old wild magic or even older wands of wonder. I imagine it more something like a combination of a deck of many things [the D&D magical item infamous for irrevocably and dramatically unbalancing many campaigns] with (real world) lightning strikes [most people hit by lightning are instantly slain, of those who are not many are randomly crippled or disfigured while many emerge entirely unscathed, and due to factors beyond our understanding many individuals struck by lightning are much more likely to be struck again any number of times]. It seems to always leave a mark, even those who appear unmarked are still often recognizable by some spellscarred imprint in their demeanor, there's just something indefinable yet subtly eerie and eldritch about them which somehow unnerves observers. Far more fundamental than a kaleidoscope of butterflies. |
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Artemas Entreri
Great Reader
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Posted - 09 Sep 2011 : 21:50:52
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Originally posted by Dennis
Spoilers:Yes, Szass Tam grew in power from the time they had that convocation. But so did his fellow zulkirs. The zulkirs were all prepared to kick his ass and did work in concert, yet he still managed to kill them all [and he didn't even need the element of surprise to do so]... I liked that battle because it was truly epic and described in artful and tasteful manner [a signature of Richard], yet I didn't like the result that much. I just take it as consolation that Richard said some of the zulkirs might have survived.
Edit: Placed spoiler alert and changed font color. Sorry, entreri3478, I hope you didn't read it.]
Just finished the book. Spoiler: Loved the end battle and awesome display of power on Tam's part. I especially enjoyed when he turned Nevron into a Mane. Also, the way this series has ended leaves it open for a nice follow up trilogy  |
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Dennis
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Posted - 10 Sep 2011 : 05:26:23
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Originally posted by entreri3478
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Originally posted by Dennis
Spoilers:Yes, Szass Tam grew in power from the time they had that convocation. But so did his fellow zulkirs. The zulkirs were all prepared to kick his ass and did work in concert, yet he still managed to kill them all [and he didn't even need the element of surprise to do so]... I liked that battle because it was truly epic and described in artful and tasteful manner [a signature of Richard], yet I didn't like the result that much. I just take it as consolation that Richard said some of the zulkirs might have survived.
Edit: Placed spoiler alert and changed font color. Sorry, entreri3478, I hope you didn't read it.]
Just finished the book. Spoiler: Loved the end battle and awesome display of power on Tam's part. I especially enjoyed when he turned Nevron into a Mane. Also, the way this series has ended leaves it open for a nice follow up trilogy
Indeed. Unfortunately, Richard said the Brotherhood of the Griffon would not return to Thay so soon... If someone else gets to write a follow-up, probably using heroes other than the BotG, I hope he'd give it justice. [Though of course, I'd still want Richard to write it.] |
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MrHedgehog
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Posted - 12 Oct 2011 : 08:33:46
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Which Zulkirs might have survived?
Mythrell'aa might never have actually died, as a master illusionist she could have hid her tracks.
Lallara could have somehow returned to her fortress(es) in Amn.
Lauzoril simply fell off a cliff, and could have contingencies in place to allow him to survive... |
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Dennis
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Posted - 12 Oct 2011 : 08:44:55
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Yaphyll sent half of her self into the future when she divined the SP.
Nevron might have managed to make himself inconspicuous in Hell during his existence as a mane and eventually regained his real form and translated back to Faerun. |
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Ayrik
Great Reader
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Posted - 12 Oct 2011 : 12:05:45
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While Nevron was a Zulkir, and I daresay sometimes perhaps even the most competent and ballsy bastard within the exiled Zulkirs group, and was of course a busy fellow constantly surrounded by bound fiends and conjured minions ... he just wasn't really all that evil. I don't really understand how RLB could describe such excellent evil in other characters, notably Szass Tam, and yet portray the other Zulkirs as something like a bunch of impotent gossipy squabbling angst-filled teenagers.
Nevron in the novels wasn't particularly evil. Rather tame and predictable, actually, I hate to admit that I found corpulently gluttonous Samas Kul far more ambitious, treacherous, and refreshingly EVIL than dull old Nevron. Says a lot when you think the tattoos are more interesting than the person wearing them.
So, insofar as evil goes ... Nevron wouldn't last more than a tenday as a mane on a plane. Something bigger and badder would eat him or kick him around for sport because of his uniquely annoying combination of squishy passivity and obnoxious impudence. Quite unlikely Nevron would survive, let alone be able to promote himself enough to escape from his own Hells ... and it's not like he'd have anything worth offering to fiends who could on a whim decide to snack on his mane-flesh eternal soul and all the secrets it contains. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 12 Oct 2011 : 12:26:11
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I would have to disagree. He killed Zola, the new Zulkir of Necromancy, just because he could not stand having someone so incompetent as part of the Zulkirate. He even said if she could not protect herself from a low-level demon, then she didn’t deserve to be their peers. [And of course, my favorite, Lallara, couldn’t agree more.] |
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Ayrik
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Posted - 12 Oct 2011 : 12:37:49
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My favourite is (or was) Mythrellan, although I admit I've always thought Nevron was a really cool manly name and of course Szass is the most decidedly interesting as a character.
Murder is definitely evil, granted. Yet I don't think Zulkirs assassinating their own peers (especially those they perceive as incompetent inferiors) is as darkly damning as some of the other things they do. No doubt Zola would've been killed by some other Zulkir(s) in short order anyhow, she seemed to just be a sacrificial game piece, perhaps even a space-filling decoy appointed indirectly by Szass.
Incidentally, I agree that the manner of her death indicated her unworthiness for the station. Nevron was just the quickest gun in the room, even if Samas might've gotten the kill instead had his mouth not been full. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 12 Oct 2011 : 12:55:59
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Samas hardly care about anything except filling his big belly. |
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Artemas Entreri
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Posted - 12 Oct 2011 : 14:03:44
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I would have to disagree. He killed Zola, the new Zulkir of Necromancy, just because he could not stand having someone so incompetent as part of the Zulkirate. He even said if she could not protect herself from a low-level demon, then she didn’t deserve to be their peers. [And of course, my favorite, Lallara, couldn’t agree more.]
I really enjoyed this scene and thought it was a fine portrayal of the Thayan Zulkir society. I 100% agree with Nevron: if you can't defend yourself against a simple demon, then you have no right being a Zulkir. Good stuff |
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Ayrik
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Posted - 12 Oct 2011 : 14:06:36
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| lol, we're all in evil agreement that Zola's murder was perfectly reasonable. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 12 Oct 2011 : 14:26:59
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lol, we're all in evil agreement that Zola's murder was perfectly reasonable.
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Dennis
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Posted - 12 Oct 2011 : 14:30:16
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Originally posted by entreri3478
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Originally posted by Dennis
I would have to disagree. He killed Zola, the new Zulkir of Necromancy, just because he could not stand having someone so incompetent as part of the Zulkirate. He even said if she could not protect herself from a low-level demon, then she didn’t deserve to be their peers. [And of course, my favorite, Lallara, couldn’t agree more.]
I really enjoyed this scene and thought it was a fine portrayal of the Thayan Zulkir society. I 100% agree with Nevron: if you can't defend yourself against a simple demon, then you have no right being a Zulkir. Good stuff
Lallara weren't without sweet words for Zola. Here's something from Undead:
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"The dregs of your order elected you," Lallara snapped, "after the lich led all the competent necromancers into the north. So I suggest you pay careful heed to whatever your seniors on the council advise, and graciously accept any decision this body may happen to reach. Otherwise, if we do invite Szass Tam back, and he resents you spending the last ten years in his chair, you can contend with his displeasure without any support from the rest of us."
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