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Dennis
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 Posted - 24 Aug 2011 : 07:11:56
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An intriguing proposal. Especially given the "selected sections" of the Dragons of Autumn Twilight animated feature, which actually did manage to faithfully translate a TSR/Wizards fantasy world into the cartoon medium.
Got a link for this, Sage?
There was a collection on YouTube some time ago. I'll see if I can round them up again.
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And in case you were referring to the actual film itself, you'll find details here.
I watched it some long forgotten time ago, or rather skimmed through it. The animation was like what's normally done in the '80s. This is 21st century. They could have done way better. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 24 Aug 2011 : 07:17:21
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Legend of the seeker was a travesty of story butchering. [...] The friends who liked the show were also comparing it to Xena and Hercules, so I can understand the appeal.
I managed to endure only the first 4 or 5 episodes. That's one of the most boring series I've ever watched. |
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Marc
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Posted - 24 Aug 2011 : 07:31:26
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| Good-looking cartoons are also very expensive these days, look at Kung Fu Panda for example. At least in America. On the other hand movies with great battle scenes like 13 Assassins needed about 6 million. Game of Thrones couldn't even do Jaime's fight in the night and had to knock Tyrion unconscious. |
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AdamBridger
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 24 Aug 2011 : 14:45:51
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Originally posted by Dennis
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Originally posted by Firestorm
Legend of the seeker was a travesty of story butchering. [...] The friends who liked the show were also comparing it to Xena and Hercules, so I can understand the appeal.
I managed to endure only the first 4 or 5 episodes. That's one of the most boring series I've ever watched.
My enjoyment of the Series may have been helped by finding Bridget Regan very hot |
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
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Posted - 24 Aug 2011 : 15:12:39
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Originally posted by Maruluthu Mistrivvin
Good-looking cartoons are also very expensive these days, look at Kung Fu Panda for example. At least in America. On the other hand movies with great battle scenes like 13 Assassins needed about 6 million. Game of Thrones couldn't even do Jaime's fight in the night and had to knock Tyrion unconscious.
It's all a big balancing act, isn't it? The trick is just finding the way to make the best piece you can with the resources given/constraints imposed.
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My enjoyment of the Series may have been helped by finding Bridget Regan very hot
I suspect that may have been one of their more effective marketing techniques. 
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'Tis easier to destroy than to create.
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Dennis
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Posted - 24 Aug 2011 : 16:07:54
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Fans of Underworld and Kate Beckinsale have something to look forward to. Underworld: Awakening will be showing January next year. |
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Lady Shadowflame
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 24 Aug 2011 : 16:26:22
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Originally posted by Fellfire
I think an animated series similar to the Clone Wars would be an excellent idea! We could have a sleu of new characters and rotate some of the more well-known heroes and villains in to keep that Realmsian feel. Anyone at WotC listening?!?
That depends which 'Clone Wars' you mean. If you mean the one with the 3D animation, no thanks, I already mention the Uncanny Valley effect, and similar to that? Haven't we already got something drastically changing the canon and blithely ignoring the anger of longtime fans?
The Clones Wars cartoon and @#$%ing Ahsoka Tano vs 4E and the Spellplague, I'm not sure which I loathe more.
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Originally posted by Maruluthu Mistrivvin
Good-looking cartoons are also very expensive these days, look at Kung Fu Panda for example. At least in America. On the other hand movies with great battle scenes like 13 Assassins needed about 6 million. Game of Thrones couldn't even do Jaime's fight in the night and had to knock Tyrion unconscious.
Kung Fu Panda is not at all what I'm thinking in terms of cartoons. I mean traditional cartoons.
Think closer to the Avatar: The Last Airbender series for what I mean. |
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Firestorm
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Posted - 24 Aug 2011 : 17:39:01
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I really liked the TV adaptations for both Legend of the Seeker and Game of Thrones. I also liked the books, and I wouldn't call it "butchering" so much as it was adapted for TV (and I'm assuming they're talking about Legend of the Seeker because it did get a lot of modifications... but necessary ones for television). Thing is, with any TV adaptation you'll have to expect some changes. I think it's a real shame that Legend of the Seeker didn't last longer, as it was just getting its sea legs. Bridget Regan (sp?) was perfectly cast, I thought. It was similar in some ways to Xena and Hercules, but totally different in others. Those two were so very, very campy, and they did the camp thing really well; only rarely did they take themselves really seriously. Legend of the Seeker by comparison had almost no camp, took itself very seriously, and also was heavy on romance.
Game of Thrones has so far been extremely close to the books, like almost word for word. Excellent series also, and very, very serious. To me, it has the flavor of a really good period drama with tons of danger from all quarters.
I found Legend Of The Seeker by accident on TV. At that point I was not aware there were any books and as such I just enjoyed it for what it was. Since then I have purchased the first 3 books in the series and plan on reading them soonish (they are in a very big pile of books to read).
However, I do understand that there will have been a great deal of creative license in order to turn the books into a TV series. Many things don't translate well between books and the visual medium and as such need adaptation. For example, I believe that R. A. Salvatore's fight scenes will always be better when described in text and imagined in your own head than they will ever be translated to the screen.
I disagree. With modern effects, I remember seeing several things that reminded me of Drizzt or Zaknafein, and how it could be translated to screen.
Anyone who watched Hellboy 2 and saw Prince Nuada fight had to immediately think of Zaknafein,
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Eltheron
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Posted - 24 Aug 2011 : 17:39:54
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Originally posted by Lady Shadowflame
Kung Fu Panda is not at all what I'm thinking in terms of cartoons. I mean traditional cartoons.
Think closer to the Avatar: The Last Airbender series for what I mean.
Last Airbender really was excellent, I loved that. The cartoon, that is... the movie adaptation was sorta average.
I wouldn't mind an animated version of something Realmsy if they could do it to that level of quality. I'd probably prefer it to something with live actors.
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AdamBridger
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Posted - 24 Aug 2011 : 17:57:11
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Originally posted by Firestorm
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Originally posted by AdamBridger
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Originally posted by Eltheron
I really liked the TV adaptations for both Legend of the Seeker and Game of Thrones. I also liked the books, and I wouldn't call it "butchering" so much as it was adapted for TV (and I'm assuming they're talking about Legend of the Seeker because it did get a lot of modifications... but necessary ones for television). Thing is, with any TV adaptation you'll have to expect some changes. I think it's a real shame that Legend of the Seeker didn't last longer, as it was just getting its sea legs. Bridget Regan (sp?) was perfectly cast, I thought. It was similar in some ways to Xena and Hercules, but totally different in others. Those two were so very, very campy, and they did the camp thing really well; only rarely did they take themselves really seriously. Legend of the Seeker by comparison had almost no camp, took itself very seriously, and also was heavy on romance.
Game of Thrones has so far been extremely close to the books, like almost word for word. Excellent series also, and very, very serious. To me, it has the flavor of a really good period drama with tons of danger from all quarters.
I found Legend Of The Seeker by accident on TV. At that point I was not aware there were any books and as such I just enjoyed it for what it was. Since then I have purchased the first 3 books in the series and plan on reading them soonish (they are in a very big pile of books to read).
However, I do understand that there will have been a great deal of creative license in order to turn the books into a TV series. Many things don't translate well between books and the visual medium and as such need adaptation. For example, I believe that R. A. Salvatore's fight scenes will always be better when described in text and imagined in your own head than they will ever be translated to the screen.
I disagree. With modern effects, I remember seeing several things that reminded me of Drizzt or Zaknafein, and how it could be translated to screen.
Anyone who watched Hellboy 2 and saw Prince Nuada fight had to immediately think of Zaknafein,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxadxFjx_2Q
However, Hellboy II did have a budget of $85 million. I'm not sure of the breakdown in costs but the fight sequences must have been quite expensive - possibly too much so for a Forgotten Realms film.
However, I do take your point about the scene itself - it was quite good. I was more talking about fight scenes where there would have to be a large amount of CGI. CGI, in my opinion at least, does not age that well, with films from 5 or so years ago looking quite dated already. |
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Firestorm
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Posted - 24 Aug 2011 : 17:59:55
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Kung Fu Panda is not at all what I'm thinking in terms of cartoons. I mean traditional cartoons.
Think closer to the Avatar: The Last Airbender series for what I mean.
Last Airbender really was excellent, I loved that. The cartoon, that is... the movie adaptation was sorta average.
I wouldn't mind an animated version of something Realmsy if they could do it to that level of quality. I'd probably prefer it to something with live actors.
Avatar:The Last airbender was an excellent cartoon for both kids and Adults.
The movie adaptation annoyed me to no end for one simple reason. M.Night obviously did not watch any of the cartoon whatsoever. Almost every character's name was mispronounced the whole movie. How the hell do you make an error like that? The whole theater was growling in annoyance every time they mentioned a name.
They called Aang "Awng", Sokka was called Sowka(Or something), and Uncle Iroh was called "Eerro".
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AdamBridger
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Posted - 24 Aug 2011 : 17:59:55
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Originally posted by Eltheron
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Originally posted by Lady Shadowflame
Kung Fu Panda is not at all what I'm thinking in terms of cartoons. I mean traditional cartoons.
Think closer to the Avatar: The Last Airbender series for what I mean.
Last Airbender really was excellent, I loved that. The cartoon, that is... the movie adaptation was sorta average.
I wouldn't mind an animated version of something Realmsy if they could do it to that level of quality. I'd probably prefer it to something with live actors.
I would prefer a live action film as well but I think that the relatively large budget needed would make it a difficult project to get off the ground. Maybe if they released an animated film/series or two and if they did well there might be more of a desire for the powers that be to invest in a live action film. |
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AdamBridger
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Posted - 24 Aug 2011 : 18:01:37
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Fans of Underworld and Kate Beckinsale have something to look forward to. Underworld: Awakening will be showing January next year.
Can't wait to see that - hadn't heard about it until now. Can't wait to see Kate Beckinsale in more tight leather costumes |
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
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Posted - 24 Aug 2011 : 18:32:48
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Wow we're wandered far from the topic at hand. Not that I'm complaining--just being responsible and noting that.
But on the subject of book to movie adaptations (which was sort of the OP), let's speculate that a FR TV series might be about a new bunch of character involved in their own epic quest. But the series does, of course, feature cameos from established characters. Why? Because the Realms is a world where a thousand stories are unfolding, all at the same time.
Which characters would cameo, in what context, and when would it happen in the series? Would these be totally made up or taken from a particular book? What moments from FR fiction jump out at you as important to capture in film?
Also, what era would one use for the TV series?
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'Tis easier to destroy than to create.
Author of a number of Realms novels (GHOSTWALKER, DEPTHS OF MADNESS, and the SHADOWBANE series), contributor to the NEVERWINTER CAMPAIGN GUIDE and SHADOWFELL: GLOOMWROUGHT AND BEYOND, Twitch DM of the Dungeon Scrawlers, currently playing "The Westgate Irregulars" |
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sfdragon
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Posted - 24 Aug 2011 : 21:51:32
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if one was to do a tv adaptation of hte REalms, make a sotry wit ha bunch of unknowns and have some well knowns make an cameo, even if its just in name or in passing.
or if your lucky, having one of them being robbed by Fox at Twilight.
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Saer Cormaeril
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 24 Aug 2011 : 22:20:37
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Only the Post-Plague Realms would do for a television series/movie. The Realms, Year of the Ageless One (1479 DR) forward, are superior to the previous, inferior incarnation, both in scope-of-lore and continuity.
It would be best for a television series/movie, to avoid so many of the poorer characters of the Realms, such as the Chosen, Knights of Myth Drannor, and the Nine. These characters are too ensconced in so much of the older, poorer, lore. Using new characters, like those developed by de Bie, Byers, Kemp and Salvatore, would make for a dynamic and 'consumable' product, with strong verisimilitude; as opposed to the 'old' Realms, which was so far divorced from reality that it usually came across as contrived at best, Mary/Gary wish fulfillment at worst.
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Wow we're wandered far from the topic at hand. Not that I'm complaining--just being responsible and noting that.
But on the subject of book to movie adaptations (which was sort of the OP), let's speculate that a FR TV series might be about a new bunch of character involved in their own epic quest. But the series does, of course, feature cameos from established characters. Why? Because the Realms is a world where a thousand stories are unfolding, all at the same time.
Which characters would cameo, in what context, and when would it happen in the series? Would these be totally made up or taken from a particular book? What moments from FR fiction jump out at you as important to capture in film?
Also, what era would one use for the TV series?
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 24 Aug 2011 : 23:02:29
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Originally posted by Saer Cormaeril
Only the Post-Plague Realms would do for a television series/movie. The Realms, Year of the Ageless One (1479 DR) forward, are superior to the previous, inferior incarnation, both in scope-of-lore and continuity.
It would be best for a television series/movie, to avoid so many of the poorer characters of the Realms, such as the Chosen, Knights of Myth Drannor, and the Nine. These characters are too ensconced in so much of the older, poorer, lore. Using new characters, like those developed by de Bie, Byers, Kemp and Salvatore, would make for a dynamic and 'consumable' product, with strong verisimilitude; as opposed to the 'old' Realms, which was so far divorced from reality that it usually came across as contrived at best, Mary/Gary wish fulfillment at worst.
Considering the number of fans that the Realms gathered in the 20 years before the Sellplague was inflicted on it, this opinion is obviously not universal. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 24 Aug 2011 : 23:05:20
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Originally posted by Dennis
Fans of Underworld and Kate Beckinsale have something to look forward to. Underworld: Awakening will be showing January next year.
Can't wait to see that - hadn't heard about it until now. Can't wait to see Kate Beckinsale in more tight leather costumes
I just hope Scott Speedman will still be around. I heard Kate say, “Where's Michael?” But I'm not sure if that alone is a guarantee that Scott's character is alive and active. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 24 Aug 2011 : 23:08:32
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Originally posted by Saer Cormaeril
Only the Post-Plague Realms would do for a television series/movie. The Realms, Year of the Ageless One (1479 DR) forward, are superior to the previous, inferior incarnation, both in scope-of-lore and continuity.
It would be best for a television series/movie, to avoid so many of the poorer characters of the Realms, such as the Chosen, Knights of Myth Drannor, and the Nine. These characters are too ensconced in so much of the older, poorer, lore. Using new characters, like those developed by de Bie, Byers, Kemp and Salvatore, would make for a dynamic and 'consumable' product, with strong verisimilitude; as opposed to the 'old' Realms, which was so far divorced from reality that it usually came across as contrived at best, Mary/Gary wish fulfillment at worst.
Considering the number of fans that the Realms gathered in the 20 years before the Sellplague was inflicted on it, this opinion is obviously not universal.
Some pre-Spellplague characters are more than good enough to be part of a Realms movie or TV series. Though I suppose most of the post-SP ones are better. |
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Brin
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Posted - 24 Aug 2011 : 23:10:00
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Twilight Movie: Acting was terrible, enough said.
Twilight Books: Didn't notice anything wrong with the writing (but I am not one to notice). The characters killed it for me though. Bella falls in the most romantic love of the century aka she wants in his pants and Edward returns the feelings because he wants to murder her more than any other human alive every second of the day. "..wut?"
Forgotten Realms TV/Movie: I think that if we want new characters and stories we need to go with TV, which I would 100% watch. But personally I would rather see the books done WELL into the world, which I believe if we're going to follow actual books we need movies... lots of them. I've never read Harry Potter or Lord of the Rings, but both of them seemed to turn out spectacularly and I'd love to see something on the same level as them made by Forgotten Realms. |
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
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Posted - 25 Aug 2011 : 00:18:30
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Ha ha. That was hilarious, Brace Cormaeril.
There is absolutely as much quality in the new Realms as the old Realms and vice versa. I would be equally thrilled with dozens of stories set at any particular time. For instance, a Knights of Myth Drannor story from the Grey Box era would be awesome, an ongoing Legend of Drizzt would be sweet (with the caveat about the visuals and overt race themes--which if done well are a strength, rather than a weakness), and a set of movies based on the Ed Greenwood Presents Waterdeep series would be extremely enjoyable.
(My own personal dream is to help write a Ghostwalker movie, but you know.)
It's most likely that a Realms TV show/film would be based in whatever version of the Realms is active at the time, as it would be in part a marketing tool to draw people to the setting. Also, I think there are some particularly cool visuals in the new Realms (though every era of the Realms has that).
And no sparkly vampires. Whew!
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'Tis easier to destroy than to create.
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Eltheron
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Posted - 25 Aug 2011 : 01:40:07
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We still talking about sparkly go-go boys pretending to be vampires?
Yeah... thought so. Oy vey.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 25 Aug 2011 : 02:18:44
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
It's most likely that a Realms TV show/film would be based in whatever version of the Realms is active at the time, as it would be in part a marketing tool to draw people to the setting. Also, I think there are some particularly cool visuals in the new Realms (though every era of the Realms has that).
I'm inclined to agree.
A specific purpose of the 4e Realms RPG was to establish a more welcoming environment for new fans who may not have the benefit of access to the 20+ years of accumulated Realmslore.
New viewers unfamiliar with the setting for a potential FR television series would likely also benefit from a similar stance in terms of re-creating [to an extent] the "world" for the small screen.
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Dennis
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Posted - 25 Aug 2011 : 12:05:32
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de Bie
It's most likely that a Realms TV show/film would be based in whatever version of the Realms is active at the time, as it would be in part a marketing tool to draw people to the setting. Also, I think there are some particularly cool visuals in the new Realms (though every era of the Realms has that).
Agreed. Newer fans would find it difficult to relate to a series that's based on characters or novel plots from books that had long been out of print. They can still utilize the old lore. But most likely it would be used more for flashbacks than a bigger bulk of the story. |
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AdamBridger
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Posted - 25 Aug 2011 : 15:23:54
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I suspect that a series would not be based on existing characters - cameos from existing characters for sure but the main characters of the series would be new. That way a series of companion novels to the series could be published, making money and hopefully drawing new fans to the Realms.
I agree that the setting would have to be 4th Edition as this is what the current marketing is spent on and what is around now. It would also be slightly wierd to introduce fans to a pre spellplague world and then have almost all the novels available to them as being post spellplague.
As for cameos in the series itself I think Elminster would definitely be a certainty. If a live action film/series I would love to see some of the Realms authors cast - even as people in the background (similar to Stan Lee in the Marvel films). |
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Dennis
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Posted - 25 Aug 2011 : 15:50:47
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Elminster is pretty much alive and active in 4E. So I don't see any reason his role should be limited to cameos. |
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AdamBridger
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Posted - 26 Aug 2011 : 16:32:21
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Elminster is pretty much alive and active in 4E. So I don't see any reason his role should be limited to cameos.
I thought a recurring cameo role would suite him well. He would turn up, help the heroes or give them some information and then be on his way with possibly a larger role in major plot points such as series finals. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 26 Aug 2011 : 18:08:30
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Originally posted by Dennis
Elminster is pretty much alive and active in 4E. So I don't see any reason his role should be limited to cameos.
I thought a recurring cameo role would suite him well. He would turn up, help the heroes or give them some information and then be on his way with possibly a larger role in major plot points such as series finals.
As long as he's not stuck doing cameo roles and eventually gets to play a major one, then it's fine. |
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AdamBridger
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Posted - 27 Aug 2011 : 11:08:19
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Originally posted by Dennis
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Originally posted by AdamBridger
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Originally posted by Dennis
Elminster is pretty much alive and active in 4E. So I don't see any reason his role should be limited to cameos.
I thought a recurring cameo role would suite him well. He would turn up, help the heroes or give them some information and then be on his way with possibly a larger role in major plot points such as series finals.
As long as he's not stuck doing cameo roles and eventually gets to play a major one, then it's fine.
I think it would be difficult to cast him as a main character because the characters in the series would not be his only interest in the Realms. He would have to constantly teleport away to deal with other issues. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 27 Aug 2011 : 11:24:37
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Unless they base the story on the most recent Elminster and Drizzt series. |
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