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GRYPHON
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 Posted - 27 Aug 2011 : 16:32:35
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Icelander
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 16 Nov 2011 : 02:03:33
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Originally posted by Quale
It seems to me that in A Dance of Dragons GRRM copied Twilight with the Daenerys-Daario relationship, found it extremely annoying and sickening.
Eh...
Would you mind elaborating? I'm having some trouble visualising how this would work? Which is which? The dragon-riding queen and warlord, is she the generic high school girl? Or the sparkling eternal high school boy?
What's the similarity between Bella and Daario? Or Daario and Edward, for that matter?
I, uh, don't get it.
The only similarity I can see if that both relationships had overweening males who viewed their girlfriends as incapable of making decisions or leading an independent life. But since that happens in the real world too, I doubt it took reading Twilight for Martin to encounter the phenomenon. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 16 Nov 2011 : 03:40:35
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The trailer of Breaking Dawn does not look so good... But then again, the real action starts at Book 3 of the novel by same title, where Carlisle and family scoured the entire world to gather as much allies/friends they could to thwarth the Volturi's nefarious plans.
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Seethyr
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 21 Nov 2011 : 22:05:21
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I was uhhh forced to go see it this weekend by my wife...yeah, that's why I went. :-)
To be honest, I think the movie was 2/3 drivel and 1/3 fantastic. My wife liked 2/3 and thought 1/3 was nonsense (she loves love stories).
Anyway, so as to not spoil anything, I have to say this... sparkly vampires may not be the coolest thing in the world but the movie series CERTAINLY knows how to do werewolf. There were definitely some spine tingling moments in there. |
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Kilvan
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Posted - 21 Nov 2011 : 22:43:28
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There's some hilarious reviews all around the web for this movie. Most are just rants about how bad the movie is and why, some lasting as long as the movie itself (see Spoony experiment)! One of the points is that they seem to be way over their heads with themes and subjects way too serious for the kind of movie it's supposed to be (female-tween soft-porn). There seems to be some serious plot holes too, to say the least.
I can't give any opinions, I haven't seen any of those movies or read any of the books. |
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Icelander
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 21 Nov 2011 : 22:55:22
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Originally posted by Kilvan
I can't give any opinions, I haven't seen any of those movies or read any of the books.
I saw the first two... or three. Not sure which.
What primarily struck me was the utter lack of charisma by the two leads, the clumsy dialogue and the alternatively wooden and overblown acting. Unless the goal of the author was to cause the viewer to absolutely detest both the leading characters and to wish to consign them to some fate worse than death, I have to say that either the adaptation was handled hamfistedly or the source material appears to be artistically lacking.
There was also, I felt, an undercurrent of contempt for the audience. That is, I'm assuming that painstakingly spelling out the simplest things was a dig at the intelligence of the target audience. If it was accidental, I apologise. In that case, the screenwriter and/or the original author is apparently afflicted with a minor form of autism that renders the emotions of humans all but incomprehensible to them and they apparently believe that this is how it works for everyone else. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 23 Nov 2011 : 12:43:55
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Haven't really watched it, myself----yet. Still haven't found the right man [and time] to watch it with. Probably next week. |
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Diffan
Great Reader
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Posted - 26 Nov 2011 : 17:01:58
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Just saw the movie with my wife last night, and I've about a firm a grasp of what's going on as anyone who has never read the books. As Seethyr says, 2/3 of the movie was drivel and 1/3 fantastic and even my wife agreed. I don't think I'm spoiling anything when I say there was too much musical interludes with the pre-wedding, dream, wedding, honeymoon, and all the stuff inbetween. I gave a great, big *sigh* and tapped my fingers when....once again Bella goes into her mid-day dreams about being with Edward and all lovey-dovey.
The 2nd half of the movie was much better and I do like the way in which the movie does Lycanthropy and I'm now waaay more interested in the wolves aspect of the series. My wife stated that the second part of the book (and thus Movie Part:2) will involve a lot more fighting and action and more on story-line than "Ohhh Edward, your beautiful" stuff we say for the first hour of the Movie, Part 1.
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Dennis
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Posted - 26 Nov 2011 : 17:58:44
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"A lot of fighting"? I don't know how your wife defines "fighting," but I must say that there's hardly any fighting in the second part. Though I agree that there's less of the love angle. The second half of the novel focuses on Carlisle and family's attempt to "gather" their friends (who are gifted with various powers) to stop The Volturi's army. Unfortunately, Bella's growing power (a psychic shield) spoils the fun. And so I wish the movie would change that part of the book. Either they create another vampire whose power can cancel Bella's, or they strengthen Jane's gift, making it impervious to the shield. |
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Diffan
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Posted - 26 Nov 2011 : 18:33:32
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Originally posted by Dennis
"A lot of fighting"? I don't know how your wife defines "fighting," but I must say that there's hardly any fighting in the second part. Though I agree that there's less of the love angle. The second half of the novel focuses on Carlisle and family's attempt to "gather" their friends (who are gifted with various powers) to stop The Volturi's army. Unfortunately, Bella's growing power (a psychic shield) spoils the fun. And so I wish the movie would change that part of the book. Either they create another vampire whose power can cancel Bella's, or they strengthen Jane's gift, making it impervious to the shield.
The way she made it seem was that the battle happens in this next movie with Carlisle's allies and the Volturi fighting. Again, from what she says Bella's gift forces the Carlisle's allies to use strategy and guile to win the day due to her Shielding ability. I'm assuming Jane is the young girl Vampire with the ability to hurt people on the inside (it's hard to describe how she does what she does without readin the books)?
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Dennis
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Posted - 26 Nov 2011 : 19:56:14
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No. The "war" didn't happen because Bella's shield would have rendered more than half of Aro's army useless. In fact, she didn't have to shield all their "friends." She could have just wrapped in a psychic that Egyptian boy who can manipulate all elements and let him drown, freeze, and incinerate The Volturi.
Jane's power is unbreakable illusion. Which most likely the moviegoers who watched New Moon but didn't read the novel would have found a bit confusing. She simply made Edward believe some sort of torture he could not escape from (unless she ceased it herself). What's more, she could target multiple people at the same time, thereby making whatever opposing army practically helpless.
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I'm planning to watch it this Saturday. I've just learned it hit more than 500 Million USD so far. Honestly, I didn't quite expect that. Excellent marketing, I guess. |
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