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Swordsage
Learned Scribe
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 Posted - 20 Nov 2003 : 08:01:50
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Rich Baker has recently mentioned on the WotC FR message boards that there are two new products "in the works". One will be dealing with 'the South' and the other with 'Lost Empires'. The latter will be set in the present, not the past.
- The Swordsage
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Lord Rad
Great Reader
United Kingdom
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Posted - 20 Nov 2003 : 10:58:39
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Originally posted by Swordsage
Rich Baker has recently mentioned on the WotC FR message boards that there are two new products "in the works". One will be dealing with 'the South' and the other with 'Lost Empires'. The latter will be set in the present, not the past.
- The Swordsage
Excellent! Do you have any more information on what he said to post here? What exactly are the Lost Empires? id heard of a product for the Old Empires due out. |
Lord Rad
"What? No, I wasn't reading your module. I was just looking at the pictures"
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
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Posted - 22 Nov 2003 : 06:10:53
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He's particularly interested in what the cover art looks like.  |
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Swordsage
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 22 Nov 2003 : 08:08:08
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I very much doubt that the Old Empires (Mulhorand and Unther) are slated for a product. The South is likely to deal with Halruua, Dambrath, Estagund, Var the Golden etc.
Few details have been revealed re the Lost Empires product but it will likely showcase now gone realms and kingdoms in the Realms and how they can be incorporated in present-day campaigns. This latter product sounds awfully 'fluffy' so I really doubt it wikll turn out as I expect. They've got to shoe-horn some new Prestige Classes in there somewhere .... 
Rich Baker has long said that this 'Lost Empires' product is one that he has wanted to write for ages. But then again, this is the guy who vetoed Eric Boyd's version of Llurth Dreier in 'Underdark' because he seemingly liked his more generic, boring, standard drow city version better.
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
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Posted - 22 Nov 2003 : 08:27:29
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| A contributor to WotC products, who happens to be a member of Candlekeep as well (though he's dropped off for a while), said that there was going to be a product focusing on Chult at least in part (that was what he was working on). He wouldn't say any more, of course, but perhaps this book will be that one. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Arivia
Great Reader
Canada
2965 Posts |
Posted - 22 Nov 2003 : 10:08:51
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| According to Rich Baker, Serpent Kingdoms will be a general release(like Magic of Faerun or Faiths and Pantheons), in contrast to a regional supplement, like Silver Marches or Unapproachable East. |
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Lord Rad
Great Reader
United Kingdom
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Posted - 22 Nov 2003 : 10:55:52
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quote:
Originally posted by Bookwyrm
He's particularly interested in what the cover art looks like.
Cheeky  Those were the old days, ive changed, honest I no longer judge a book by its cover...but covers are still to be drooled over  |
Lord Rad
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Jacinth Greyfox
Acolyte
United Kingdom
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Posted - 25 Jan 2004 : 13:34:48
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| I think the Serpent Kingdomsbook looks most interesting although a poster over at the Wizards boards though it might include reprints of material from earlier publications. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 25 Jan 2004 : 13:50:07
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That may be a good thing. From what I have heard from some 'new' FR devotees, the Old Empires (and related tomes) tome is very difficult to find.
As long as it is not all reprinted information...and WotC intends to carry the source information on this region forward, then I'll be happy.
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 25 Jan 2004 : 16:07:05
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I'm curious to see what tie in exists between this gaming product and the trilogy featuring the Yuan-Ti that Lisa Seadman is writing. I recall, Richard Baker made a brief reference to the effect and paraphrasing here: We'd learn that the Yuan-Ti have been up to much more than we ever imagined or realized.
Or something like that. Very intersting. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31774 Posts |
Posted - 26 Jan 2004 : 05:25:04
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Actually I am hoping that it is not just limited to Yuan-Ti activity. The old Elminster's Ecologies tome that dealt with Yuan-Ti regions in the Realms also detailed the other lizard/reptile kingdoms in the region.
I hope this is also the case with this new tome...
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
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Posted - 26 Jan 2004 : 16:07:25
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quote:
Originally posted by The Sage
Actually I am hoping that it is not just limited to Yuan-Ti activity. The old Elminster's Ecologies tome that dealt with Yuan-Ti regions in the Realms also detailed the other lizard/reptile kingdoms in the region.
I hope this is also the case with this new tome...
To my knowledge, the Serpent Kingdoms will cover other lizard/reptile races per some comments Richard Baker made on WOTC board. I'm not sure about any tie-in to other races in the Yuan-Ti novels. However, don't the FR Yuan-Ti often have servants/aides/allies made up of other lizard/reptile races? If so, I'm sure we'll see such characters in those books as well. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 28 Jan 2004 : 02:01:54
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I remember a reference in Elminster's Ecologies that mentioned something about Yuan-Ti servants/aides/allies (...uh, Century anyone...?  ), although I think it was talking about lesser reptilian races used to carry out the many mundane tasks that the various breeds of Yuan-Ti could not perform. I think it also talked about the fact that these servants only had limited access inside the Yuan-Ti temple-cities, and some areas were completely off-limits to those not of Yuan-Ti blood.
I'll have to check to be sure.
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Faraer
Great Reader
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Posted - 29 Jan 2004 : 14:46:08
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Eric Boyd posted this to REALMS-L in July (some details may have changed in development and editing):quote:
A new FR release planned for next year (date unspecified) will be "Serpent Kingdoms" dealing with all things reptilian in the Realms. Written by Ed Greenwood, Darrin Drader, and myself, it focuses on the yuan-ti and includes geography chapters focused on areas heretofore largely untouched in previously released Realms products (1e, 2e, or 3e). Some of the place names rattled off include Tashalar, Thindol, Samarach, Serpentes, Lapaliiya, Okoth, Isstosseffifil, and Najara ... you'll have to be a true Realms scholar to dig up some of those references <evil grin> ...
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Edain Shadowstar
Senior Scribe
USA
455 Posts |
Posted - 29 Jan 2004 : 18:10:11
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Lost Empires? They are not lost, you just did not ask me where to find them. Really, you want to find something old, ask me. I was probably old when it was built, not that I mind. There is a certain nicety to calling things by names that have not been used for ten thousand years.
Anything new about the Old Empires would rock simply because there has never been a whole lot out there about them. Not to mention I sort of dig the Egyptian thing. New writings on the South would also be interesting, especially Halruaa, which I have always been a fan of. Chult would also be interesting to see some new stuff on. Really, I am glad they are taking time to detail places they have not gotten much press in the past, but they really need to put that Waterdeep sourcebook out, like, now. I mean, new is nice, but Waterdeep, that's eternal.
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Edain Shadowstar
Archwizard of Rel Astra and Waterdeep
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 30 Jan 2004 : 01:22:53
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I agree, at least to an extent.
I mean it's nice to see a new Waterdeep tome, but I'm actually more excited about the future release of the Serpent Kingdoms tome.
Like Edain, I have a fascination with the Egyptian thing, as he puts it, although I hope there is a steady stream of divergence between the real-life pharonic civilisation/culture, and what is presented in this new book. I mean it's nice to see these types of historical societies dealt with in fantasy campaigns, sometimes in greater detail, but a healthy dose of 'fantasy' into these cultures makes it a worthwhile purchase...Otherwise, why not just go grab yourself a history book on the 21th Dynasty of Ancient Egypt and use that as a campaign model...
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Edain Shadowstar
Senior Scribe
USA
455 Posts |
Posted - 30 Jan 2004 : 19:53:00
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| True, but then it would lack the wacky Realms-style twists and random attractive blondes. |
Edain Shadowstar
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Edain Shadowstar
Senior Scribe
USA
455 Posts |
Posted - 31 Jan 2004 : 01:47:29
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| That an a white-bearded wizards that bears a somewhat uncanny reseblance to a wizard named Gandalf. Oh, well one cannot always be original. |
Edain Shadowstar
Archwizard of Rel Astra and Waterdeep
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31774 Posts |
Posted - 31 Jan 2004 : 02:24:35
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Okay, to change the focus a bit, let's talk about the upcoming Races of Stone...
Here's some information on the tome -
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Races of Stone
Jesse Decker, Michelle Lyons, David Noonan
A new D&D sourcebook detailing various mountain-dwelling races.
Races of Stone provides D&D players with an in-depth look at races that live on, under, or around mountains in the D&D world. There is extensive information on the classic races of gnomes and dwarves, including new rules, information for interaction, new spells, and new magic items attuned to each race. In addition, there are new races, over 20 new prestige classes, over 40 new feats, new equipment, and new magic items.
So, what are all your thoughts on this future release?. Does it have the potential to be useful in your standard FR games...?
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Edain Shadowstar
Senior Scribe
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455 Posts |
Posted - 31 Jan 2004 : 03:32:46
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| While it does sound interesting, and one can always use new details about the mountain-dwelling kinds. If they do it right I can imagine it being okay, although is this non-Realms specific? I would guess so, which kind works for and against if, since it is hard to write fluffy bits for things that are not setting specific, yet it would be more useful in general if non-specific. Oh well, I guess I cannot have everything. I would be kind of interested to see what new races tehy are going to introduce, however this begs the question: Will they do a series of these? Like 'Races of WOod' or something to discuss Elves and the other forest dwellers (fey, treants, ect.), if so I can see it getting out of hand . On its own I will probably pick up a copy (from the trail of a speeding truck), just to see if it is any good. |
Edain Shadowstar
Archwizard of Rel Astra and Waterdeep
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31774 Posts |
Posted - 31 Jan 2004 : 05:51:30
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Hmm....Well, a tome like your 'Races of Wood' idea would be a fine idea indeed, especially if it dealt with Treants. There definitely needs to be more Treantlore published. I mean other that whats in the Ravenloft setting, I've seen and read very little.
As for Races of Stone, this will definitely be one of my 'tomes of choice to purchase', but that's only because it details gnomes as a whole...Other than that, and the possible exception that it may expand upon already established Dwarvenlore, I really can't think of any other portions of the book that I would find interesting. The feats, and PrC will most likely hold very little interest unless the have enough features that can be incorporated into the many different settings that I game in.
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Elrond Half Elven
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
322 Posts |
Posted - 31 Jan 2004 : 18:11:56
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Well I'm not certian I like the way things are going. Or rather I don't think I'll use much of the upcoming materials. WoTC seem to have had something recently with the Underground:
City of the Spider Queen
The Underdark
And now the Races of Stone!
How much more information can they give us on the Underdark! Actually it just occured to me, that perhaps this Races of Stone porvides information for Dawrves etc in the Greyhawk setting. Well we'll need to wait and see.
I'm not looking too foward for the Serpent Kingdoms, but probally because my players arn't going to be going to that neck of the woods. I AM excited about the Waterdeep Accessory though. Me missing the Waterdeep box set, this will be the first product I can actually purchase about the city.
Hanx
Elrond |
Once upon a midnight dreary, while i pondered, weak and weary,
Over many a quaint and curious volume of forgotten lore-
While i nodded, nearly napping, suddenly there came a tapping,
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31774 Posts |
Posted - 01 Feb 2004 : 02:38:45
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Hmmm...you raise an interesting point Elrond. I had forgotten that some FR gamers may have missed out on the 2e Waterdeep material, even though there was quite a lot of it. I guess that's why this new tome has failed to really generate any excitable interest in me. Although, being about Waterdeep, I'll purchase it anyway...However with the amount of 2e material already published on the City of Splendors, the question to ask is...How much more can they fit into the city in order to write more material about it...? 
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
5517 Posts |
Posted - 01 Feb 2004 : 14:53:59
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Originally posted by The Sage
How much more can they fit into the city in order to write more material about it...?
Be interesting to see. I think WOTC is no doubt hoping the release of the Waterdeep novel next year will generate interest in the new gaming product for the City of Splendors that will no doubt be published shortly before or after the novel's release. In fact, depending upon the events of the novel, who knows what changes or additions could be seen in the City or the inhabitants. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31774 Posts |
Posted - 01 Feb 2004 : 14:57:55
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I guess so. Although, I really wouldn't have put up much arguement if WotC had decided to suspend publication of the Waterdeep sourcebook (at least for the time being) in favor of another sourcebook on some of the less-documented areas of the Realms.
I'd like to see a tome on the Sword Coast of 3e FR...Now that would be something...
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Elrond Half Elven
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
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Posted - 01 Feb 2004 : 16:00:57
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Unless the Waterdeep Source book is a bumper tome, I don't see how they will be able to do The city of Splendors justice. From what I have seen of the box set its massive. Pack with lots of useful information. Of course after that you got the Skullport accessory also! That meant that adventurers never had to leave Waterdeep!
If only I was older and played D&D when they released all these truly excellent Realms products!
I agree Sage a Source book for the Sword Coast would be great. However I think that WOTC would perhaps concentrait on The Dalelands more than the Wester Heartlands. I feel that alot of campaigns, especially new players bass their Campaign there- its a sort of tradition. (Well there was the wonderful Sword of the Dales trilogy.)
Hanx
Elrond |
Once upon a midnight dreary, while i pondered, weak and weary,
Over many a quaint and curious volume of forgotten lore-
While i nodded, nearly napping, suddenly there came a tapping,
As of some one gently rapping, rapping at my chamber door.
-The Raven by Edgar Allan Poe |
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Edain Shadowstar
Senior Scribe
USA
455 Posts |
Posted - 01 Feb 2004 : 23:24:19
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| Well, since I am a Waterdeep nut, I can never say no the a Waterdeep novel or expansion book, however I would not be opposed to seeing detial on other regions, such as the Sword Coast, Amn, Cormyr, and some of the hereto lesser developed areas of Faerun. Still, part of me would love a new Waterdeep book. However, the point made about lots of underground related books is pertinate, and one I had not stopped and thought about. Honestly, this whole subterranean thing is getting stale, mainly the Drow portion fo it, but in general we need some nice above ground products for a while...like a Waterdeep book...now. (Do It!) |
Edain Shadowstar
Archwizard of Rel Astra and Waterdeep
"Mmm…pie…"
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Lord Nasher Alagondar
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 01 Feb 2004 : 23:36:54
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| Actually, it might be nice to see something dealing with the lesser known parts of the Realms, if for no better reason than they've never been featured before... |
"Very well, I am admittedly not as traditional in my methodology as you are. So what? The end result is all the same: target ceases to exist. If I happen to use a bit more flair, and a little less stealth to go about it, so be it. If drow were truly meant to skulk within the shadows, we'd not have stark white hair, now would we? Long gone are my days of creeping in the shadows and hiding in wait. Those means are for beings of a cowardly bent. We Bladesingers are risen above such dribble. So saying, it is boldly into the fray I shall go; if I should come to meet my maker, I will at least have done so with a sense of pride and dignity that your ilk will never truly understand. Now go back to hiding in your dark recesses, pathetic mewling...."~Vesz'aun Auvryath |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
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5517 Posts |
Posted - 02 Feb 2004 : 14:53:19
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Originally posted by Elrond Half Elven
Unless the Waterdeep Source book is a bumper tome, I don't see how they will be able to do The city of Splendors justice.
But that didn't have Prestige Classes!! How can you have a Waterdeep campaign without some new prestige classes for just that area? |
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