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VEDSICA
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 Posted - 12 Mar 2004 : 22:14:06
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In this month's excerpt.There mentions the Twinned Crown of Yarlith,Myrmorar,and Uthtower.Does anyone know what these crowns are,and what might be the powers of them???
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Edited by - Alaundo on 19 Mar 2004 14:13:41
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 12 Mar 2004 : 23:30:20
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Here's a little snippet of what I've been able to uncover -
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191DR Year of the Broken Lands
The archmage Iniarv creates the Twinned Crown of Yarlith, companion to the Twinned Crown of Uthtower.
I'll search through the rest of my tomes when I get home.
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Swordsage
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Posted - 19 Mar 2004 : 12:41:02
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The crowns are written up in Eric Boyd's DUNGEON#73 adventure titled "Eye of Myrkul".
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Dargoth
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Posted - 20 Mar 2004 : 00:54:05
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| As Im going to start converting Mere of Dead Men Modules to 3.5(Once my Bloody PGTF ARRIVES!!) Ill end up converting the crowns to 3.5 as Eye of Mykrul is part of that series |
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The Sage
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Posted - 20 Mar 2004 : 05:17:27
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While the updated stats for the Twinned Crowns would be very welcome, I was thinking more about the source information behind the items. I know very little about these particular Crowns...since I do not have access to the specific issue of Dungeon.
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Arivia
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Posted - 20 Mar 2004 : 07:03:13
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You might want to remove that...quickly.
Alaundo has never liked that kind of thing. |
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Dargoth
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Posted - 20 Mar 2004 : 07:13:07
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Done
Although personally I dont see why
Pazio dont have those 2 issue in stock and its no longer in production (I looked there first and bought the other 3 Mere issues) |
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The Sage
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Posted - 20 Mar 2004 : 09:59:34
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Originally posted by Arivia
You might want to remove that...quickly.
Alaundo has never liked that kind of thing.
I would agree, but if you take note of one of my previous posts in this scroll, I spoke of a 'summary' of the associated source material. That is something that is done quite often here at Candlekeep, and it is also something that Alaundo has never had a problem with.
I would never actively encourage another scribe to post official source material, unless it is properly quoted by source and date (which I think is also allowed, at least to a degree...Alaundo?).
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Alaundo
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Posted - 20 Mar 2004 : 11:19:07
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Originally posted by The Sage
I would never actively encourage another scribe to post official source material, unless it is properly quoted by source and date (which I think is also allowed, at least to a degree...Alaundo?).
Well met
Quite correct, Sage, quite correct. It appears I missed Dargoths pennings, but any quotes from tomes of the Realms MUST be given with source information, thus:
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Quoted from Races of Faerun by WotC, Page 45:
official text...........
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SiriusBlack
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Posted - 20 Mar 2004 : 15:58:38
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Originally posted by Dargoth
Done
Although personally I dont see why
Pazio dont have those 2 issue in stock and its no longer in production (I looked there first and bought the other 3 Mere issues)
I think there is still a copyright issue even if something is no longer in stock and going to be reprinted. However, brief summaries I've always seen allowed on other boards as well. I like how Alaundo wishes something properly credited, reminds me of the MLA or APA.  |
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Steven Schend
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Posted - 20 Mar 2004 : 18:05:58
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
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Originally posted by Dargoth
Done
Although personally I dont see why
Pazio dont have those 2 issue in stock and its no longer in production (I looked there first and bought the other 3 Mere issues)
I think there is still a copyright issue even if something is no longer in stock and going to be reprinted. However, brief summaries I've always seen allowed on other boards as well. I like how Alaundo wishes something properly credited, reminds me of the MLA or APA.
Since Eric Boyd's the author in question, I'd suggest we just wait patiently and let him make some comments himself on the matter. He's rather busy at present, from what I know, so best not to hold one's breath right now.
Steven
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George Krashos
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Posted - 21 Mar 2004 : 06:47:03
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Quoted from DUNGEON #73, p.52:
Twin Crowns of Myrmoran
XP Value: 6,000, GP Value: 24,000
The Twin Crowns of Myrmoran were created by Iniarv, the Mage Royal of Uthtower, in the Year of Broken Lands (191 DR) at the request of the Council of Lords of Uthtower. Upon the sudden death of King Ornoth I, the third monarch of Uthtower, and the decision to split the realm into two kingdoms for his twin sons, the legendary archmage was commissioned to fashion identical crowns for the two branches of the Royal House of Myrmoran, known individually as the Twinned Crown of Yarlith and the Twinned Crown of Uthtower.
As is commonly the case for royal regalia of sorcerous artistry, Iniarv enchanted powerful protections into the Twin Crowns, but, unknown to the rulers or subjects of either realm, the Mage Royal entwined additional enchantments into the royal headgear to serve his own aims. The archmage had established his abode on the western slopes of the Sword Mountains near the end of the reign of Uthtower’s first king, attracted by the solitary lifestyle he could establish there and relative peacefulness of the area. Ever calculating, Iniarv won the confidence of Uthtower’s second monarch and the title of Mage Royal so as to ensure the title would not fall to a rival wizard, but otherwise cared little for the politics of the tiny realm. When the fledgling kingdom threatened to dissolve into civil strife, Iniarv worked behind the scenes to ensure that an amicable truce would be achieved in the hopes of reestablishing the security he sought so as to pursue his studies of the Art without disruption. Towards this end, Iniarv wove enchantments into the Twin Crowns that would both ensure a harmonious relationship between their two bearers and allow Iniarv to exercise a measure of control over both crown bearers if he was forced by events to intervene once again.
Individually, each of the Twin Crowns of Myrmoran provides it bearer numerous magical protections when worn. Such defenses include a +3 bonus to Armor Class and all saving throws, the protection of a mind blank spell, as well as immunity to all psionics, spells from the school of enchantment/charm or mentalism, spells from the sphere of charm, or spell-like magical effects duplicating them. In addition, the bearer can cast shield, mirror image, fire shield, stoneskin, ironguard, and teleport without error once per day each.
When the Twinned Crown of Uthtower and the Twinned Crown of Yarlith are worn at the same time by separate individuals, an empathic link is formed between the bearers that allows them to sense the emotional state of each other at any time and communicate via telepathy once per week as long as both are on the same plane. When both crowns are worn by identical twins on the same plane of existence, the regalia’s full powers come to fruition. The two bearers become linked in mind and soul while wearing the Twinned Crowns, to the point where they become almost a single sentience. The twin crown-bearers can communicate at will over any distance, and either twin can reach in to the other’s mind and cast spells their counterpart has memorized or regained, activate magical items triggered by silent act of will in the hands of the other twin, or even cast spells on their own form and have them affect the other twin instead.
The most obvious effect of these powers is to draw the crown bearers into a near unshakable friendship for as long as both continue to wear their crown. In most cases where the crown-bearers have radically different ethos, the weaker personality will undergo an alignment shift to that of the stronger personality. In the case of identical twins, the mental link forged by the Twinned Crowns fuse the bearers’ identities to the point where they almost become one. Over time, it becomes progressively more difficult for either crown-bearer to remove his regalia, to the point, after many years, that neither crown-bearer can live for any length of time without the magically-enhanced empathic bond.
Despite the risks entailed by protracted bearing of the Twinned Crowns, an even more dangerous evil lurks behind the strength forged by the bearers’ bond for each other. When Iniarv forged the Twinned Crowns of Myrmoran, he wove into them the power for a third individual to dominate both by means of a demand spell employable at will on either or both crown-bearers, assuming they are on the same plane of existence. The Mage Royal of Uthtower seldom employed this power during the reigns of King Uth II and King Ornoth II or their heirs, but the might archmage did not hesitate to exact his demands whenever he saw fit, particularly when his privacy was disturbed. It is unclear whether or not Iniarv survives and thus whether or not he could (or even would) exercise mastery over any individual or duo who recover the long-lost Twinned Crowns of Myrmoran. Even if Iniarv is no more, it is unclear as to whether Iniarv linked this power to his own sentience or manipulated the monarchs of the Twilit Land via some third magical device that others might employ. As such, it is still quite risky to employ the magic of the Twinned Crowns, no matter how tempting the powers may be.
-- George Krashos
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Prince Forge of Avalon
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Posted - 21 Mar 2004 : 07:33:21
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Thank you very much for this George! |
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The Sage
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Posted - 21 Mar 2004 : 11:32:59
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Huh...I'm glad to see that the one little tidbit of information I managed to find on the Twinned Crowns, was essentially correct...
This was exactly what I was talking about...Thanks George...
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Shadowlord
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Posted - 21 Mar 2004 : 18:13:39
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Once again, I am suprised at the resourcefulness of Candlekeep's scribes!  Thanks for the information, George. |
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VEDSICA
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Posted - 22 Mar 2004 : 02:12:55
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| Amen shadowlord.Thanks for taking the time George.I,we all appreciate it.Those crowns seem to be pretty powerful.Just think if Iniarv is still around as alich,and both dragons find the crowns.He is able to dominate them both.That would be a pretty formidable team wouldn't say???? |
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The Sage
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Posted - 22 Mar 2004 : 05:12:08
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Indeed...and, it could also serve as a very interesting campaign hook. You'd probably have to use the Sword Mountains as a starting point, but incorporating Iniarv (whether or not he is a lich), shouldn't be that difficult.
The only thing a DM would need to look out for, is whether or not he should keep, or tone-down the powers offered by the Twinned Crowns.
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Dargoth
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Posted - 22 Mar 2004 : 05:54:39
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*evil banite laughter*
Ive just thought of an item what could be the controlling magici item Iniarv uses.....The Crown of Horns
*More evil Banite laughter*
Ill file this idea away for a future campaign |
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The Sage
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Posted - 22 Mar 2004 : 06:27:03
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The Crown of Horns...I think there was a discussion in the 'General' section of the library a while back that dealt with that particular item.
You may want to check through the mass of scrolls sitting on the 'General' shelf Dargoth...it might prove interesting...
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Dargoth
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Posted - 22 Mar 2004 : 06:38:56
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| Might be a good question for Ed |
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George Krashos
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Posted - 22 Mar 2004 : 09:43:28
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You know, it's a damn shame that the more fluffy FR work now has no real, official vehicle for dissemination. Dragon and Dungeon are not interested - a fact I know from personal experience. Eric Boyd wrote up a few things on the orcish realm Uruth Ukrypt which was situated in the Sword Mountains. He had a magic item article and a half-written Dungeon submission which were both turned down. Eric's creativity is such that I'm starting to think that his PC hard drive is beginning to rival Ed's Basement Box collection ....
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Dargoth
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Posted - 22 Mar 2004 : 11:48:16
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quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos
You know, it's a damn shame that the more fluffy FR work now has no real, official vehicle for dissemination. Dragon and Dungeon are not interested - a fact I know from personal experience. Eric Boyd wrote up a few things on the orcish realm Uruth Ukrypt which was situated in the Sword Mountains. He had a magic item article and a half-written Dungeon submission which were both turned down. Eric's creativity is such that I'm starting to think that his PC hard drive is beginning to rival Ed's Basement Box collection ....
-- George Krashos
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The Sage
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Posted - 22 Mar 2004 : 12:18:18
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quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos
You know, it's a damn shame that the more fluffy FR work now has no real, official vehicle for dissemination. Dragon and Dungeon are not interested - a fact I know from personal experience. Eric Boyd wrote up a few things on the orcish realm Uruth Ukrypt which was situated in the Sword Mountains. He had a magic item article and a half-written Dungeon submission which were both turned down. Eric's creativity is such that I'm starting to think that his PC hard drive is beginning to rival Ed's Basement Box collection ....
-- George Krashos
I take it then, that several of your other 'fluff'-heavy Realms articles (that you have mentioned from time to time) have not been taken up by Dragon and Dungeon magazines...?
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SiriusBlack
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Posted - 22 Mar 2004 : 14:59:45
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quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos
You know, it's a damn shame that the more fluffy FR work now has no real, official vehicle for dissemination. Dragon and Dungeon are not interested - a fact I know from personal experience. Eric Boyd wrote up a few things on the orcish realm Uruth Ukrypt which was situated in the Sword Mountains. He had a magic item article and a half-written Dungeon submission which were both turned down. Eric's creativity is such that I'm starting to think that his PC hard drive is beginning to rival Ed's Basement Box collection ....
-- George Krashos
That's extremely distressing to hear. Not surprising, but still distressing. When did this change start to take place from what you've seen others experience or experienced yourself? Immediately after 3rd edition came out? Or another time? |
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SiriusBlack
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Posted - 22 Mar 2004 : 15:04:00
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Originally posted by Dargoth
Ive always pictured Eds basement as looking like the Warehouse in closing scene of Raiders of the Lost Ark
That organized? |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 23 Mar 2004 : 03:43:16
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I did a sequel to my "Soargar's Legacy" article that was printed in Dragon#277. This was titled "Imbrar's Inheritance" and detailed 5 new swords of Impiltur as well as providing tons of realmslore and hooks. IMHO it was twice as good an article as its predecessor. The response I got back from Paizo was that simply, it was an article that only the most diehard FR fan would enjoy and that it had low utility for other gamers. Of course, that thinking goes out the window when they want to do a ton of Eberron articles ... 
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SiriusBlack
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Posted - 23 Mar 2004 : 03:59:11
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Originally posted by George Krashos
I did a sequel to my "Soargar's Legacy" article that was printed in Dragon#277. This was titled "Imbrar's Inheritance" and detailed 5 new swords of Impiltur as well as providing tons of realmslore and hooks. IMHO it was twice as good an article as its predecessor. The response I got back from Paizo was that simply, it was an article that only the most diehard FR fan would enjoy and that it had low utility for other gamers. Of course, that thinking goes out the window when they want to do a ton of Eberron articles ...
-- George Krashos
Ah yes, the new Golden child, Eberron. That is what they are calling Dragon magazine these days as well from what I can see when someone posts the contents of each issue.
Thank you for providing the above information. Your post certainly authenticates what Richard Baker already said some time ago on the WOTC board: Most buyers simply buy the FR books to scavenge crunch material for other games. |
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