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Aryalómë
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 Posted - 15 Feb 2011 : 00:48:23
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Sorry in advance f this has already been covered
I hae a good slew of questins and nagings about 4e I am dying to ask. Forst of all, what compelled wotc to "simlify" the pantheos of thd realms? The deities were one of theost eniatic forcws in all akd quite iconic. So why d tey decide to deciamte te row pamtjeon to that vile spider bit ch? I was among the many fnams who were quite pod when eillisraee was killed and a bit of minory when kiaransalee dd to. So, s it possible to worship a dead deity? I know kiaransalee's name was wiped from her follower's and everone's mind, but could it still be possible? Even t change Lathander went to was unnescesary. I preffered him as t ever yoyng morning-lord. Another question, how many times does wotc have to kill Mystra before theu're happy? I find this als very unnescessay. Ad one of everyone's favorite questions , race! So, I'm a tab bit confused. We all know the Aasimar , correct? Well, when. I was reading the FR PH, it said te degas are now te Aasiamr. I'm a bit stumped at this because I liked te Aasimar before, but don't get me wrong, I love the devas as well, but I want the Aasimar to still be around, maybe companojs to the Devas?
Well, that is about it fr now. I am truly sorry for the AWFULgrammar and spelling mistaies, I'm typing o a nook so it. not good choice to do so on.
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Chosen of Asmodeus
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Posted - 15 Feb 2011 : 02:06:27
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Part of the new design philosophy for 4e is the elimination of racial pantheons. Opinions are divided over that decision, personally I don't have a problem with it.
The change to Lathander was story progression, plain and simple.
Hopefully this will be the last time they kill Mystra. By that, and I know I am in a minority here, I mean hopefully she will stay dead this time.
The deva aasimar thing. Mainly it's just a name change because people at WotC got tired of almost typing assimar. They're the same things they used to be except crossbreeding is no longer a factor(which is something that goes for genasi and tieflings as well). Just a name change, that's all. Devas as they used to be don't exist anymore; angels have been completely reworked(for the better, in my opinion). |
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Aryalómë
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Posted - 15 Feb 2011 : 02:36:18
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| Is there any way that someone could still worship a deity even though they are dead? I dearly miss Kiaransalee and Eillistraee. Kiaransalee is one of the only few evil deities I like, lol. I mainly like Correllon, Sehanine, and Aerdrie Faenya. And Shar too. The only problem with Mystra and I, is that zhe was lawful good. Me being an eiter chaotic or neutral character ad rarely floating even te slightest bit evil. |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 15 Feb 2011 : 03:37:16
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Is there any way that someone could still worship a deity even though they are dead?
3E used to have a feat for that. I don't know if 4E has any similar mechanism.
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The only problem with Mystra and I, is that zhe was lawful good. Me being an eiter chaotic or neutral character ad rarely floating even te slightest bit evil.
Uh, Mystra was never lawful good... Neutral good, yes, but never LG. |
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Aryalómë
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Posted - 15 Feb 2011 : 03:52:40
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| Wiki lied to me!!! Ty ned better moderate stuff on there. Habing a lot of outdated infmation really confuses people........like me! Oh, and is te shadow weave still intact? Ecae when Heroes of Shadow coe out, I was going to ether make a vampire necroance. Dark pact walock, but, if , whay classes can use it? |
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Chosen of Asmodeus
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 15 Feb 2011 : 04:56:03
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There was a dragon article about worshipping dead deities a while back; focused on Points of Light deities mainly but I'm pretty sure the mechanics could be adapted.
Alternatively one could become a vestige pact warlock and bargin with the remnants of the dead deities.
As for layman worship, yes, it continues on after a deity's death. Unless said death is accompanied by a mass vision of that deity dying sent out by whoever killed it. |
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Ayrik
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Posted - 15 Feb 2011 : 06:34:58
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Alternately, just import your pre-4E gods and devise whatever crunch is necessary. Many interesting campaign possibilities are created by schisms within the established churches. Remember ye olde Myrkul, Bane, Bhaal, and Waukeen ... and the troubles among their faithful?
1E FR0 introduced Mystra as LN, entirely unconcerned with Good/Evil. She was replaced in 2E FRA by NG Midnight a couple years later, though her personal alignment would/should have been subsumed into her divine responsibilities. It might be argued that Midnight-Mystra's early behaviour (at least in the novels) was sickeningly LG, as she belligerently opposed CE Cyric's machinations at every opportunity (even though such behaviour would be more fitting to powers like Tyr, Helm, Torm, even Lathander; alas, they were all strangely impotent/indifferent/inattentive about Cyric). |
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Chosen of Asmodeus
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Posted - 15 Feb 2011 : 07:02:00
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| Whatever happened to Myrkul, anyway? He still working on coming back with the crown of horns or did they just kind of forget about it? |
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Elfinblade
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Posted - 15 Feb 2011 : 07:05:49
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Wiki lied to me!!! Ty ned better moderate stuff on there. Habing a lot of outdated infmation really confuses people........like me! Oh, and is te shadow weave still intact? Ecae when Heroes of Shadow coe out, I was going to ether make a vampire necroance. Dark pact walock, but, if , whay classes can use it?
Yeah the wiki's out there need to be taken with a grain of salt, as i've noticed a lot of erroneous information scattered around. Information without quotations = unreliable (unless you know you've read it in a novel or somesuch). |
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Ayrik
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Posted - 15 Feb 2011 : 07:13:55
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Arioch
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Posted - 15 Feb 2011 : 08:17:44
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Originally posted by Chosen of Asmodeus
Whatever happened to Myrkul, anyway? He still working on coming back with the crown of horns or did they just kind of forget about it?
It seems to me that Myrkul is quite happy living in that form, without the burden of a full divinity. Moreover: the plot moved forward, but I do not have more information on that (Some clues can be found in "Elminster must Die!", but very general)... Other scribes may know more. |
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Diffan
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Posted - 15 Feb 2011 : 11:00:25
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Originally posted by tradwitch1313
Sorry in advance if this has already been covered
I have a good slew of questions and nagings about 4e I am dying to ask. First of all, what compelled wotc to "simlify" the pantheons of the realms? The deities were one of the most eniatic forces in all and quite iconic. So why did they decide to deciamte the drow pantheon to that vile spider bitch? I was among the many fnams who were quite PO'd when eillisraee was killed and a bit of minory when kiaransalee did to.
First, I feel it was WotC's belief (and my opinion too) that the Realms pantheon was too clustered. Too many deities with overlapping portofilos and too many niche demi-gods/lesser deities. Much of this is 3e's fault as they didn't expand on many of the lesser deities. To simplify things, they just didn't talk about a whole lof of them in the Forgotten Realms Campaign Guide. But to clear something up here, just because a certain deity isn't mentioned in the campaign setting book, DOESN'T mean that they died or left the Realms. It means that they aren't popular enough to be known throughout all the lands. So unless you read in a Dragon/Dungeon article, novel, or upcoming source book (or an author chimes in) then the deity is still there.
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Originally posted by tradwitch1313
So, s it possible to worship a dead deity? I know kiaransalee's name was wiped from her follower's and everone's mind, but could it still be possible? Even the change Lathander went to was unnescesary. I preffered him as the ever young morning-lord. Another question, how many times does wotc have to kill Mystra before they're happy? I find this all very unnescessay.
As for worshipping a dead deity, there nothing in the mechanics of 4E to suggest you can't so if you get enough followers to form a small clergy, then as a DM I'd allow that. It's a reason I created the Dweomerkeeper Paragon Path so followers of Mystra's beliefs could be carried on. But about Lathander, I'm glad he had his time in the sun (pun intended) as a more strict form is needed in the turbulant time that the Realms are now looking at. Amaunator is just more my style, honestly. And I'm not even going to touch the Mystra's death, lol.
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And one of everyone's favorite questions, race! So, I'm a tab bit confused. We all know the Aasimar , correct? Well, when I was reading the FR PH, it said te degas are now the Aasiamr. I'm a bit stumped at this because I liked the Aasimar before, but don't get me wrong, I love the devas as well, but I want the Aasimar to still be around, maybe companojs to the Devas?
As per the book, Aasimars have always been known as Devas and vice-versa. The thing here is, there was very little lore about Aasimars in the Realms so this really doesn't contradict anything. Sure, their racial stats are different, but the name Deva and Aasimar can be swapped with little problems. They're one in the same.
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Alisttair
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Posted - 15 Feb 2011 : 12:36:14
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| Ummm tradwitch...just wondering if you are using a mobile device to make your posts?? There is a very significant ammount of typos in all of your posts. |
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Aryalómë
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Posted - 15 Feb 2011 : 22:23:45
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Matt James
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Posted - 16 Feb 2011 : 00:12:59
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| Many of the deities you don't see listed are now Exarcs. Though, I'm not sure why importing your favorite deities into your game would be much of an issue. As for worshiping a dead deity, why on Toril would you need a feat for that? :0) |
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Diffan
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Posted - 16 Feb 2011 : 03:04:01
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Many of the deities you don't see listed are now Exarcs. Though, I'm not sure why importing your favorite deities into your game would be much of an issue. As for worshiping a dead deity, why on Toril would you need a feat for that? :0)
Probably because there was one designed for 3e as 3e clerics only received their powers from their specific Gods. If said God was dead....well then no power. A feat cures this problem, supposedly, but I don't feel this is really a big deal with 4E mechanics.
I was under the impression that the clergy of X,Y,Z church granted a divine character the power to do their Gods bidding in 4E, so if enough of Mystra's clergy clung to her beliefs, then through their own power they would still be granted prayers (much like cleris without deities in 3e still gain their power through a belief in "something"). |
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Ayrik
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Posted - 16 Feb 2011 : 03:15:41
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Mortal feats can invoke the powers of dead gods?
Sorry ... now matter how cleverly worded the descriptor, I still can't accept that logic. |
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Diffan
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Posted - 16 Feb 2011 : 03:35:40
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Originally posted by Arik
Mortal feats can invoke the powers of dead gods?
Sorry ... now matter how cleverly worded the descriptor, I still can't accept that logic.
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Originally published from Lost Empires of Faerûn, p.9
Servant of the Fallen
You keep alive the worship of a deity who has died or vanished. Your faith in this fallen deity allows you to weild divine magic in his or her name.
Prerequisites: Cleric level 1st, dead or forgotten god (For exaple, Amaunator (yikes  ), Bhaal, Moander, or Myrkul) as a patron deity.
Benefit: You can name a dead god as your patron deity and still receive your cleric spells normally. In addition, you can call upon the universal remnant of your deity's power once per day to gain a +1 luck bonus on any single die roll. You can also be raised or resurrected normally.
There's a descritpion of how it normally is and a special bar saying that you can take this feat only once.
This pretty much contradicts the whole "In the Realms, you must worship a deity of you cast divine spells" rule. Ah well. |
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Ayrik
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Posted - 16 Feb 2011 : 04:17:47
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Well, that oughtta make certain demented fanatics *coughAlisttaircough* (sorry) profoundly happy ... that fallen/dead/vanished/failed gods like Karsus can grant true divine power (and a +1 luck bonus!) to their clergy in 4E, requiring only that worthies commit themselves with a token feat demonstration of faith.
Ah, I remember oh so fondly the mighty flaming Hand of Myrkul. But dead is dead (most especially in Myrkul's case) and sometimes you just gotta move on to new and trendy gods, illogical 4E feat (and dumb twits like Cyric) notwithstanding. |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 16 Feb 2011 : 05:51:58
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Originally posted by Diffan
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Originally posted by Arik
Mortal feats can invoke the powers of dead gods?
Sorry ... now matter how cleverly worded the descriptor, I still can't accept that logic.
For your reading pleasure:
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Originally published from Lost Empires of Faerûn, p.9
Servant of the Fallen
You keep alive the worship of a deity who has died or vanished. Your faith in this fallen deity allows you to weild divine magic in his or her name.
Prerequisites: Cleric level 1st, dead or forgotten god (For exaple, Amaunator (yikes ), Bhaal, Moander, or Myrkul) as a patron deity.
Benefit: You can name a dead god as your patron deity and still receive your cleric spells normally. In addition, you can call upon the universal remnant of your deity's power once per day to gain a +1 luck bonus on any single die roll. You can also be raised or resurrected normally.
There's a descritpion of how it normally is and a special bar saying that you can take this feat only once.
This pretty much contradicts the whole "In the Realms, you must worship a deity of you cast divine spells" rule. Ah well.
So, worshipping a deity to be able to cast spells contradicts having to worship a deity to cast spells? I'm afraid I don't see that logic... |
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Aryalómë
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Posted - 16 Feb 2011 : 12:04:52
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| Yay I can still worship Eillistraee, Kiaransalee, and Mystra :D But what about the fae gods who were "aspects"? I still want to worship them as themselves and not other gods. It gives the fae an identity of culture and race. |
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Alisttair
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Posted - 16 Feb 2011 : 12:15:43
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Yay I can still worship Eillistraee, Kiaransalee, and Mystra :D But what about the fae gods who were "aspects"? I still want to worship them as themselves and not other gods. It gives the fae an identity of culture and race.
Pretty sure you can worship anything actually (you just might be regarded like this ----> if you mention your faith, but mechanically your power source is still divine). |
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Erik Scott de Bie
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Posted - 16 Feb 2011 : 15:53:39
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Originally posted by tradwitch1313
So, s it possible to worship a dead deity?
Yes. I myself have written two 4e FR novels about a paladin of Helm (and Tyr and Torm at the same time), and am currently starting on the third one. So yeah. Very possible.
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We all know the Aasimar , correct? Well, when. I was reading the FR PH, it said te degas are now te Aasiamr. I'm a bit stumped at this because I liked te Aasimar before, but don't get me wrong, I love the devas as well, but I want the Aasimar to still be around, maybe companojs to the Devas?
Well, you can still call them aasimar as much as you like, and reskin them to look exactly like the old 2e/3e aasimar. No problem.
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Originally posted by tradwitch1313
Yay I can still worship Eillistraee, Kiaransalee, and Mystra :D But what about the fae gods who were "aspects"? I still want to worship them as themselves and not other gods. It gives the fae an identity of culture and race.
I have an invoker in my 4e FR game who worships the Seldarine in general, which includes Sehanine and Hanali in their fey aspects, rather than their human ones (Selune and Sune respectively). She even occasionally pays homage to Lolth, if you can believe that.
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Alisttair
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Posted - 16 Feb 2011 : 15:58:30
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de BieI have an invoker in my 4e FR game who worships the Seldarine in general, which includes Sehanine and Hanali in their fey aspects, rather than their human ones (Selune and Sune respectively). She even occasionally pays homage to Lolth, if you can believe that.
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Diffan
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Posted - 16 Feb 2011 : 16:20:53
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
So, worshipping a deity to be able to cast spells contradicts having to worship a deity to cast spells? I'm afraid I don't see that logic...
No, worshipping a dead deity contradicts the fact that Realms divine classes receive their powers from livine Gods. If a deity is dead, then how can it have power to lend?
I'm not saying it's wrong or silly, just a little strange that one little feat allows you to worship dead Gods but characters with fervor and zeal who believe with their whole being in a "beleif system" of say....luck and death (pulled them off the top of my head) can't gain powers as well.
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Ah, I remember oh so fondly the mighty flaming Hand of Myrkul. But dead is dead (most especially in Myrkul's case) and sometimes you just gotta move on to new and trendy gods, illogical 4E feat (and dumb twits like Cyric) notwithstanding.
This is all using v3.5 rulesset as well as Servant of the Fallen feat is from v3.5. You don't need feats like this so serve fallen deities in 4E, just an interesting backstory  |
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Posted - 16 Feb 2011 : 17:04:46
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Originally posted by Erik Scott de BieI have an invoker in my 4e FR game who worships the Seldarine in general, which includes Sehanine and Hanali in their fey aspects, rather than their human ones (Selune and Sune respectively). She even occasionally pays homage to Lolth, if you can believe that.
What race is the character?
Elf. The player keeps an entertaining campaign journal from his character's perspective over at his WotC blog. Here's one of the latest entries: http://community.wizards.com/zephsright/blog/2011/02/04/journal_of_an_elf_invoker_19:_into_the_blackstaff
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 16 Feb 2011 : 18:10:16
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So, worshipping a deity to be able to cast spells contradicts having to worship a deity to cast spells? I'm afraid I don't see that logic...
No, worshipping a dead deity contradicts the fact that Realms divine classes receive their powers from livine Gods. If a deity is dead, then how can it have power to lend?
I'm not saying it's wrong or silly, just a little strange that one little feat allows you to worship dead Gods but characters with fervor and zeal who believe with their whole being in a "beleif system" of say....luck and death (pulled them off the top of my head) can't gain powers as well.
Pretty sure it's not stated anywhere that you have to worship a living god... And death for deities is not the same as death for mortal races: even a dead god is not all the way dead for millenia, and can be brought back to life.
So I don't see any issue at all with worshipping a fallen deity -- they are still around, and still have power, they're just doing an impression of a Norwegian blue parrot ("Lovely plumage!" ). |
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Therise
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Posted - 16 Feb 2011 : 18:14:47
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
So, worshipping a deity to be able to cast spells contradicts having to worship a deity to cast spells? I'm afraid I don't see that logic...
No, worshipping a dead deity contradicts the fact that Realms divine classes receive their powers from livine Gods. If a deity is dead, then how can it have power to lend?
I'm not saying it's wrong or silly, just a little strange that one little feat allows you to worship dead Gods but characters with fervor and zeal who believe with their whole being in a "beleif system" of say....luck and death (pulled them off the top of my head) can't gain powers as well.
Pretty sure it's not stated anywhere that you have to worship a living god... And death for deities is not the same as death for mortal races: even a dead god is not all the way dead for millenia, and can be brought back to life.
So I don't see any issue at all with worshipping a fallen deity -- they are still around, and still have power, they're just doing an impression of a Norwegian blue parrot ("Lovely plumage!" ).
One issue re: worshipping a dead deity might be that upon death they'd be classified as "faithless" since they're a petitioner for a deity that's dead. So they'd go into the Wall.
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 16 Feb 2011 : 18:23:36
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Originally posted by Diffan
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
So, worshipping a deity to be able to cast spells contradicts having to worship a deity to cast spells? I'm afraid I don't see that logic...
No, worshipping a dead deity contradicts the fact that Realms divine classes receive their powers from livine Gods. If a deity is dead, then how can it have power to lend?
I'm not saying it's wrong or silly, just a little strange that one little feat allows you to worship dead Gods but characters with fervor and zeal who believe with their whole being in a "beleif system" of say....luck and death (pulled them off the top of my head) can't gain powers as well.
Pretty sure it's not stated anywhere that you have to worship a living god... And death for deities is not the same as death for mortal races: even a dead god is not all the way dead for millenia, and can be brought back to life.
So I don't see any issue at all with worshipping a fallen deity -- they are still around, and still have power, they're just doing an impression of a Norwegian blue parrot ("Lovely plumage!" ).
One issue re: worshipping a dead deity might be that upon death they'd be classified as "faithless" since they're a petitioner for a deity that's dead. So they'd go into the Wall.
I don't see why -- they're worshipping an actual deity. |
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Ayrik
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Posted - 16 Feb 2011 : 19:04:46
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Yes, an actual deity ... with no servants to deploy onto the Fugue, with no eternal home to take their faithful. So ... an eternal afterlife on the Fugue Plane, fending off baatezu predations and waiting to be collected?
(I'm assuming that if the servants/domain were still functioning they'd be subsumed by another deity, typically the current owner of the old deity's portfolio.) |
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My Questions and Opinions Regarding 4e
