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Dennis
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 Posted - 20 Feb 2011 : 06:48:43
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Dennis
Karsus must have thought of so many possible factors that would drag his plan to shambles. But like other genuis, he could not have seen all possibilities. He expected Mystryl to fight, not kill herself.
I don't think he even thought it thru that far.
He did calculate his moves, but certainly not enough. I think had he used the heavy magic only in fighting the phaerimm to eradicate them all, he would have been more successful, and the Netheril now would have been as it was before. Using such powerful magic would have destroyed the entire Low Netheril, along with the phaerimm. But at the least the enclaves would have survived. It's mainly his vanity and ambitiousness that proved his undoing. |
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
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Posted - 20 Feb 2011 : 19:32:17
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To a degree.... yes. It was founded with the aid of the red wizards who were cast out of Halruaa (of which Velsharoon was one), along with internal Mulan resources. The question becomes what happened to those Halruaan allies after the countries forming and before the final government was formed up (personally, I believe they were turned upon and cast out by their Mulan allies).
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Originally posted by Arik
Thurzil sounds tharchiozulkirish. Any connection? (OT: Was Thay founded or shaped by Netherese survivors?)
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
USA
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Posted - 20 Feb 2011 : 19:36:14
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Actually, the original source of information on Halruaa (a mailer that came out after the original grey boxed set), hinted that Halruaan ex-patriates helped form Thay. Thus, to a small degree, they have a bit of Netherese influence. This became more canon with the last Shining South stuff if you look at the history line.
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Arik, on your OT:
No, there's no mention of it anywhere (as far as I know) that the founders of Thay are Netherese. In Dreams of the Red Wizards, they are only described as a sect who declared its freedom from the godkings of Mulhorand.
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
USA
12229 Posts |
Posted - 20 Feb 2011 : 19:37:24
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I believe it was truly just one of his simulacrums.
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Really, Wizard 15? The Church of Karsus decries such deliberate misrepresentation!
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Dennis
Great Reader
9933 Posts |
Posted - 23 Feb 2011 : 06:51:51
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Originally posted by sleyvas
Actually, the original source of information on Halruaa (a mailer that came out after the original grey boxed set), hinted that Halruaan ex-patriates helped form Thay. Thus, to a small degree, they have a bit of Netherese influence. This became more canon with the last Shining South stuff if you look at the history line.
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Originally posted by Dennis
Arik, on your OT:
No, there's no mention of it anywhere (as far as I know) that the founders of Thay are Netherese. In Dreams of the Red Wizards, they are only described as a sect who declared its freedom from the godkings of Mulhorand.
What source is that? |
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Alisttair
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 23 Feb 2011 : 11:51:42
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| The WAR thread is making me consider simulating a world takeover through war with Pre-Deity Karsus and seeing just how long he would last. |
Karsite Arcanar (Most Holy Servant of Karsus)
Anauria - Survivor State of Netheril as penned by me:
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 27 Feb 2011 : 07:29:23
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Upon Karsus's reemergence, his title should be changed to Arcanist Supreme. It's simple and sort of unoriginal. But it speaks volumes of what he was and always will be. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 27 Feb 2011 : 15:48:48
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Originally posted by Dennis
Upon Karsus's reemergence, his title should be changed to Arcanist Supreme. It's simple and sort of unoriginal. But it speaks volumes of what he was and always will be.
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Ayrik
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 28 Feb 2011 : 06:46:27
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Reading it, [Telamont] saw something he would have thought impossible: notes on the creation of a mythallar that drew not from the Weave but from the spaces between it. From the Shadow Weave.
Where is this quoted from? |
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 28 Feb 2011 : 08:35:56
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Originally posted by Arik
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Reading it, [Telamont] saw something he would have thought impossible: notes on the creation of a mythallar that drew not from the Weave but from the spaces between it. From the Shadow Weave.
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Trial by Ordeal by Lisa Smedman. It's in the anthology Realms of Shadow. |
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 28 Feb 2011 : 08:40:13
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Dennis
Upon Karsus's reemergence, his title should be changed to Arcanist Supreme. It's simple and sort of unoriginal. But it speaks volumes of what he was and always will be.
A fool?
Nah. That's Manshoon. |
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Alisttair
Great Reader
Canada
3054 Posts |
Posted - 28 Feb 2011 : 12:59:22
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| A fool he is not. He makes many think of him as such, which is brilliant!! |
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Ayrik
Great Reader
Canada
8066 Posts |
Posted - 28 Feb 2011 : 13:11:31
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W C Fields
If at first you don't succeed, try, try again. Then quit. There's no point in being a damn fool about it.
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Alisttair
Great Reader
Canada
3054 Posts |
Posted - 28 Feb 2011 : 13:36:31
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Originally posted by Arik
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W C Fields
If at first you don't succeed, try, try again. Then quit. There's no point in being a damn fool about it.
So I guess as per internet lingo, Karsus = Epic Fail
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or so he would have you all believe. He was in fact succesful, its simply a millenia of waiting for the plan to come to full fruition. Hence, Epic WIN!!
So no need to try again, cause its still the same old plan in motion |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36997 Posts |
Posted - 28 Feb 2011 : 18:19:56
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Originally posted by Alisttair
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Originally posted by Arik
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W C Fields
If at first you don't succeed, try, try again. Then quit. There's no point in being a damn fool about it.
So I guess as per internet lingo, Karsus = Epic Fail
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or so he would have you all believe. He was in fact succesful, its simply a millenia of waiting for the plan to come to full fruition. Hence, Epic WIN!!
So no need to try again, cause its still the same old plan in motion
Well, he was supposedly trying to save Netheril... and he destroyed it. Pretty much a definition of Epic Fail. |
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Alisttair
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 28 Feb 2011 : 18:38:59
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Alisttair
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Originally posted by Arik
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W C Fields
If at first you don't succeed, try, try again. Then quit. There's no point in being a damn fool about it.
So I guess as per internet lingo, Karsus = Epic Fail
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or so he would have you all believe. He was in fact succesful, its simply a millenia of waiting for the plan to come to full fruition. Hence, Epic WIN!!
So no need to try again, cause its still the same old plan in motion
Well, he was supposedly trying to save Netheril... and he destroyed it. Pretty much a definition of Epic Fail.
But it will come back in his new vision, stronger than ever. We will have an East Netheril vs a West Netheril, with the east capital of Karsus and the west of Shade. It'll be like North and South Korea, but with magic, shadows and stuff.
And to save them he needed to kill them. Tough love! |
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Anauria - Survivor State of Netheril as penned by me:
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Dennis
Great Reader
9933 Posts |
Posted - 01 Mar 2011 : 02:14:01
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Originally posted by Alisttair
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Alisttair
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Originally posted by Arik
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W C Fields
If at first you don't succeed, try, try again. Then quit. There's no point in being a damn fool about it.
So I guess as per internet lingo, Karsus = Epic Fail
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or so he would have you all believe. He was in fact succesful, its simply a millenia of waiting for the plan to come to full fruition. Hence, Epic WIN!!
So no need to try again, cause its still the same old plan in motion
Well, he was supposedly trying to save Netheril... and he destroyed it. Pretty much a definition of Epic Fail.
But it will come back in his new vision, stronger than ever. We will have an East Netheril vs a West Netheril, with the east capital of Karsus and the west of Shade. It'll be like North and South Korea, but with magic, shadows and stuff.
And to save them he needed to kill them. Tough love!
No need for splitting Netheril into two. I'm almost sure that upon Karsus's return, Telamont would defer to his former master's wishes. |
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