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Dennis
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 Posted - 29 Sep 2011 : 07:33:10
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Will The Avengers Face the Skrulls in 2012? I read the rumor here. In the nutshell:
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It's been assumed for several years now that Marvel Studios ensemble film The Avengers will follow the continuity of the original comics run; where Loki gains control over the Hulk to unleash his fury on Earth, which causes the superhero team to assemble for the first time. Last night I learned that this may not be the case, and apparently I'm not the only one who's privy to this information. Two fellow entertainment journalists, one being our own DCMarvel_Freshman, were tipped to this information around the same time as I was; and by two other sources close to the production.
The highlight of this insider scoop (DISCLAIMER: which has not been confirmed by the studio itself) is that the shape-changing alien race the Skrulls are being used as the main antagonists for The Avengers. Not only that, but the Skrulls will 'brainwash' and use the Hulk in a similar fashion Loki did in the comics. Don't expect a full on alien invasion, though; that will have to wait for a sequel. The Skrulls' role will be largely clandestine, similar to the way S.H.I.E.L.D. operates.
I checked Marvel’s Official site. But I found no confirmation whatsoever. |
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Posted - 29 Sep 2011 : 15:27:56
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| I'd imagine that's what the disclaimer was for. I've heard the skrulls play a part in the film, though. |
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The Sage
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Posted - 29 Sep 2011 : 16:52:53
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I can't see it being the Skrulls. Not for the first film. They're simply too alien for the role of main antagonists in The Avengers.
I'm still maintaining that it'll be a terrestrial threat and/or provoked by Loki's attempt to seize the Cosmic Cube/Tesseract. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 09 Oct 2011 : 15:12:40
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I've just watched All-Star Superman. Nice story, a bit like Ten Things You Should Do Before You Die. Lex finally had an epiphany that would benefit mankind. A pity it was too late. |
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The Sage
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Posted - 09 Oct 2011 : 15:37:05
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I've just watched All-Star Superman. Nice story, a bit like Ten Things You Should Do Before You Die. Lex finally had an epiphany that would benefit mankind. A pity it was too late.
The comic series does a better job at ensuring that the story is entirely more divorced from the concept of Ten Things You Should Do Before You Die. Morrison ably returns both the characters of Clark Kent and Kal-El to the basic components of what truly makes him "a super-man." |
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Dennis
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Posted - 09 Oct 2011 : 15:48:16
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The story, while it's good overall, seems fragmented, like a couple of short stories forcibly knit together. Those two Kryptonian astronauts came out of nowhere. |
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The Sage
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Posted - 10 Oct 2011 : 02:37:57
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Originally posted by Dennis
The story, while it's good overall, seems fragmented, like a couple of short stories forcibly knit together. Those two Kryptonian astronauts came out of nowhere.
Not really out of nowhere, since they've a pre-established presence in the comics. But in terms of the film-universe, I can see why it would be somewhat surprising.
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Dennis
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Posted - 10 Oct 2011 : 09:34:22
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Still, they could have included a little character background. |
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Alystra Illianniis
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Posted - 10 Oct 2011 : 23:44:55
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| Regarding Loki and any Skrull presence in the Avengers movie, I'm inclined to think that it will be a Loki/Red Skull team-up, perhaps with some skrull mischief in the background. From the two "trailer" easter eggs at the end of Thor and Captain America, it looks like the two will be attempting to use the Cube- maybe that will open the "door" for a Skrull invasion or introduce Earth to the rest of the MU? In particular, I'm wondering if it will allow them to (FINALLY) bring in the Shi'ar like they SHOULD have doen in X-3. All pure conjecture, mind you. |
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The Sage
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Posted - 11 Oct 2011 : 02:43:04
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Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis
In particular, I'm wondering if it will allow them to (FINALLY) bring in the Shi'ar like they SHOULD have doen in X-3. All pure conjecture, mind you.
It's worthwhile conjecture, though. Seeing the Shi'ar in X3 probably would've been the only reason why I'd have opted to go to the cinema for the film.
However, given that we are talking about the Avengers, I would probably like to see either the Kree or the Skrulls, first, as the plot-inclined extra-terrestrial threat. And given that Kree battle-teams have often been classified as "terrorist units," it would provide the film's plot with something of a real-life contemporary context. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 11 Oct 2011 : 04:42:17
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Aren't extra-terrestrial threats too cliche these days? There are so many films recently that involve extra-terrestrial invasions---from animation to live action. On the other hand, a gathering of powerful heroes necessitates a "great" threat, and there's almost no greater threat than an extra-terrestrial invasion, save a mad scientist's experiments that go awry and spread viral contagion that kill millions. |
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The Sage
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Posted - 11 Oct 2011 : 05:36:17
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It really depends on the context, I think. Simply dropping aliens and/or the requisite extra-terrestrial plot for the sake of "Oooo! Aliens. Cool" factor can certainly seem cliché. But given the integrated and long established history the Avengers have with extra-terrestrial threats, such clichés aren't really a concern.
However, I still maintain that the BBEG for The Avengers will be Earth-based. Marvel live-action films often try to shy away from extra-terrestrial elements, or, at the very least, don't emphasise them all that much. As evidenced by my and Alystra's commentary about the lack of the Shi'ar in X3, and the redefined ET-origins of the symbiote in Spider-Man 3. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 11 Oct 2011 : 06:07:45
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Originally posted by The Sage
It really depends on the context, I think. Simply dropping aliens and/or the requisite extra-terrestrial plot for the sake of "Oooo! Aliens. Cool" factor can certainly seem cliché. But given the integrated and long established history the Avengers have with extra-terrestrial threats, such clichés aren't really a concern.
For comics followers like you and Alystra. But for me, my friends, and, if I may assume, a greater number of movie goers interested in the Avengers but aren't that "updated" of established lore, it's another story altogether. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 11 Oct 2011 : 06:19:06
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Back on All-Star Superman: He absorbed too much solar energy. But why would it be fatal to his body? He could have just expended the extra amount energy he had by flying to galaxies, lifting heavy objects, islands, continents, or planets, wrestling with Green Lantern---practically anything that he’s capable of doing. |
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The Sage
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Posted - 11 Oct 2011 : 15:44:20
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Originally posted by Dennis
Back on All-Star Superman: He absorbed too much solar energy. But why would it be fatal to his body?
Because the amount of solar radiation Kal-El absorbed, overwhelmed even his unique Kryptonian physiology's ability to process it.
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He could have just expended the extra amount energy he had by flying to galaxies, lifting heavy objects, islands, continents, or planets, wrestling with Green Lantern---practically anything that he’s capable of doing.
He did try to expend the extra energy somewhat, as his increased intelligence and feats of strength proved -- both in the film and the comic book series. But he was still struggling against his own body. There was simply too much solar energy for his cells to handle. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 11 Oct 2011 : 21:15:54
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Shouldn't Dr. Quantum*, given his nearly unmatched brilliance, have invented some kind of solar energy-sucking device to rid Superman of that extra energy?
*I'm not sure if I heard the name correctly, but he's the one who went on a mission to the sun and to whom Lex gave his notes/book towards the end of the film. |
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The Sage
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Posted - 12 Oct 2011 : 02:06:39
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Originally posted by Dennis
Shouldn't Dr. Quantum*,
Dr. Leo Quintum.
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... given his nearly unmatched brilliance, have invented some kind of solar energy-sucking device to rid Superman of that extra energy?
That's why reading the comic book series helps to fill in these little plot-gaps from the film. We're told, in the comic, that Quintum is racing to find a way to help Kal-El expend the excess solar energy permeating his cellular structure. But it's a classic race against the clock. And, besides, I suspect Quintum already knew his efforts would prove futile in the long-run, which is why he was working on myriad projects that would either replicate and/or replace the "concept" of Superman, should Kal-El ever die.
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Let's remember, also, that we're talking about a plot to kill Superman that was hatched by Lex Luthor. And we know Lex would certainly have done his homework when it comes to such an important subject.
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Thelonius
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Posted - 12 Oct 2011 : 16:13:59
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We now have the first official full-length trailer for The Avengers. And I must say, that it is somewhat impressive. Though I'm still not inclined to assume that Loki will be the main antagonist.
Interestingly, I like the fact that the new actor playing Bruce Banner looks a little like Eric Bana's "Banner" from the 2003 Hulk film.
Anyway, here 'tis:- http://www.geeksofdoom.com/2011/10/11/watch-the-trailer-for-marvels-the-avengers/
Looks impressive, anyway don't think Loki will be, at least, the only antagonist, as it could seem odd to make him battle that crop of heroes when just one of them defeated him in a previous movie. Maybe he gets power-boosted? |
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Dennis
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Posted - 14 Oct 2011 : 16:49:52
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Nice. Robert Downey Jr. is such a scene-stealer! |
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The Sage
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Posted - 15 Oct 2011 : 01:06:43
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I'm just hoping that they've established some characterisation for the "Ultimate" interpretation of Hawkeye that also draws from the mainstream Marvel universe, because the "Ultimate" Hawkeye often comes across as a rather bland character.
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Dennis
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Posted - 15 Oct 2011 : 01:21:28
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Is he even important? Never heard of him before. |
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The Sage
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Posted - 15 Oct 2011 : 02:15:24
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| Hawkeye has been an Avenger since [almost] the very beginning. So he's a core character for the film. But I'm afraid the "Ultimate" version is ripe-picking for Hollywood-type characterisation -- angst-ridden and bitter, with nothing but vengeance on his mind. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 15 Oct 2011 : 02:24:26
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He doesn't look that interesting to me. I wonder, what exactly are the qualities one needs to have to be a member of the Avengers? |
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The Sage
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Posted - 15 Oct 2011 : 03:09:53
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He doesn't look that interesting to me. I wonder, what exactly are the qualities one needs to have to be a member of the Avengers?
I don't think there really are any specific qualities [besides, I suppose, being a card-carrying member of hero-dom], to be honest... since practically every hero in the Marvel universe has been an Avenger [or reserve Avenger] at some point in their career.
Even Daredevil, who has traditionally been one of the few Marvel characters to resist signing up with any incarnation of the Avengers in his nearly 50 years of character history, has now become a member of the New Avengers in 2011.
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Ayrik
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Posted - 15 Oct 2011 : 03:18:54
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| What are Avengers? Some kind of Superhero Guild? Do they assert a jealous monopoly just like other powerful guilds (Thieves, Lawyers, Politicians) ... installing themselves into the system, preventing outsiders from practicing their craft? |
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Dennis
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Posted - 15 Oct 2011 : 03:24:26
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'Tis Marvel's version of The Justice League. |
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The Sage
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Posted - 15 Oct 2011 : 06:12:41
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What are Avengers? Some kind of Superhero Guild? Do they assert a jealous monopoly just like other powerful guilds (Thieves, Lawyers, Politicians) ... installing themselves into the system, preventing outsiders from practicing their craft?
They're a team of superheroes who, basically, came together to stand against "the foes no single superhero can withstand."
At one time or another they've been either an independent superhero community, a team of heroes sanctioned and supported by the United Nations for both domestic and international operations, and rogue agents acting against the directives of the United States government and/or the mandates of their charter provided by the UN. |
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Ayrik
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Posted - 15 Oct 2011 : 14:14:05
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lol, supported by the UN. You actually made me laugh. 
What? Emergency food and medical supplies? Peacekeeping troops, economic sanctions, or weapons inspections on the supervillains? I really can't see what the gutless UN could possibly offer to godly supermutants. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 15 Oct 2011 : 14:20:44
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Sage, did Doctor Strange and Loki fight in any of the volumes of The Avengers comics? |
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