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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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 Posted - 15 Oct 2011 : 15:16:09
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lol, supported by the UN. You actually made me laugh. 
What? Emergency food and medical supplies? Peacekeeping troops, economic sanctions, or weapons inspections on the supervillains?
It's really about just ensuring that American superheroes operating on foreign soil aren't acting as agents of change solely for the United States government. The UN charter ensures that whenever the Avengers engage in foreign incidents, they're representing the world as a whole, and not just the United States.
There have been international incidents in the Marvel Universe that the US government [in the comics] has tried to prevent the Avengers from involving themselves in, because it may cause problematic political issues after the fact. But given the mandates of the UN charter, the heroes have usually acted according to the wishes of the world community.
They've also been prevented from acting in the best interests of the united world community when the UN thought that the presence of the Avengers could complicate, rather than solve, delicate political relations. Which, interestingly, led to a curious event in Avengers history where they basically told the UN to "shove their charter" -- again returning the team to a more simplified state of being just a community of heroes without any legal and/or governmental backing and, thus, getting back to the business of "avenging" innocents and righting wrongs regardless of the political climate.
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Marc
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Posted - 15 Oct 2011 : 16:13:20
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 15 Oct 2011 : 16:44:12
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Originally posted by Dennis
Sage, did Doctor Strange and Loki fight in any of the volumes of The Avengers comics?
Not directly. Strange's encounters with Loki mostly occurred in his own series. |
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Sill Alias
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Kazakhstan
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Posted - 16 Oct 2011 : 13:08:26
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| Heya. Anyone is excited by the Amazing Spiderman being planned on 2012? Because I certainly am. I feel like it will be soooo great! |
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Dennis
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Posted - 16 Oct 2011 : 15:36:44
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Originally posted by Sill Alias
Heya. Anyone is excited by the Amazing Spiderman being planned on 2012? Because I certainly am. I feel like it will be soooo great!
I am. I think Andrew Garfield is perfect for the role. I'm not sure I would like Emma Stone, though. She was okay in Easy A and Crazy, Stupid Love, but I couldn't take her seriously. |
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Chosen of Asmodeus
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 17 Oct 2011 : 01:43:34
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Looks impressive, anyway don't think Loki will be, at least, the only antagonist, as it could seem odd to make him battle that crop of heroes when just one of them defeated him in a previous movie. Maybe he gets power-boosted?
Loki's main weapon is his mind. Thor can beat him in a fight (and he's pretty much the only member of the team that can at this point), but Loki is at his core a schemer. So don't think he won't have something up his sleeve. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 17 Oct 2011 : 02:56:34
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Originally posted by Sill Alias
Heya. Anyone is excited by the Amazing Spiderman being planned on 2012? Because I certainly am. I feel like it will be soooo great!
I'm cautiously optimistic. Spider-Man has always been one of my favourite Marvel superheroes, so I'm anxious to see what becomes of both the story and the characters.
My main focus, though, for this new film, is finally seeing a classic Spidey-villain done right on the big screen. Because aside from Doc Ock in Spider-Man 2, the film-villains of the earlier Spider-Man adaptations have been somewhat disappointing. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 17 Oct 2011 : 04:44:26
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Sill Alias
Heya. Anyone is excited by the Amazing Spiderman being planned on 2012? Because I certainly am. I feel like it will be soooo great!
I'm cautiously optimistic. Spider-Man has always been one of my favourite Marvel superheroes, so I'm anxious to see what becomes of both the story and the characters.
My main focus, though, for this new film, is finally seeing a classic Spidey-villain done right on the big screen. Because aside from Doc Ock in Spider-Man 2, the film-villains of the earlier Spider-Man adaptations have been somewhat disappointing.
You know what bugged me with Doc Ock and the Green Goblin? In both movies, the "with great power comes great responsibility" theme is hammered hard, with regards to Spidey -- but not with the bad guys. Osborn made a mistake and it made him a psychopath -- he was out of his mind, to a degree, and thus not responsible for how he was using his great power. Doc Ock's arms had an AI that basically overrode him once the inhibitor was burned out -- so his great power was being used by an AI, and not so much by him. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 17 Oct 2011 : 05:04:28
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I never liked any of Spider-Man’s enemies, except, to a certain minute degree, Venom. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 17 Oct 2011 : 05:07:01
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Sill Alias
Heya. Anyone is excited by the Amazing Spiderman being planned on 2012? Because I certainly am. I feel like it will be soooo great!
I'm cautiously optimistic. Spider-Man has always been one of my favourite Marvel superheroes, so I'm anxious to see what becomes of both the story and the characters.
My main focus, though, for this new film, is finally seeing a classic Spidey-villain done right on the big screen. Because aside from Doc Ock in Spider-Man 2, the film-villains of the earlier Spider-Man adaptations have been somewhat disappointing.
You know what bugged me with Doc Ock and the Green Goblin? In both movies, the "with great power comes great responsibility" theme is hammered hard, with regards to Spidey -- but not with the bad guys. Osborn made a mistake and it made him a psychopath -- he was out of his mind, to a degree, and thus not responsible for how he was using his great power. Doc Ock's arms had an AI that basically overrode him once the inhibitor was burned out -- so his great power was being used by an AI, and not so much by him.
That's largely my biggest gripe with the villains from the films. They're so thoroughly divorced from how the characters act in the comics. |
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Chosen of Asmodeus
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 17 Oct 2011 : 14:04:49
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| I thought it was stupid to bring out the Goblin on the first film, but superhero movies have an annoying habit of bringing out the archenemy in the first installment. |
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Thelonius
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Posted - 17 Oct 2011 : 14:16:47
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| Not like any of the villains, or to that extent, the movies really liked from Tobey to Kirsten I found the acting and the characterisation awful. Sadly the best actors were villains, but the were limited for the awful script, Dafoe, Molina, Franco, ... |
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Dennis
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Posted - 17 Oct 2011 : 15:29:43
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Well, in the first place, Tobey is just too weird and dopey for the role. |
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Chosen of Asmodeus
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 17 Oct 2011 : 15:37:33
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Originally posted by Dennis
Well, in the first place, Tobey is just too weird and dopey for the role.
I disagree. Not about Tobey being wrong for role, but I think he's wrong for every role as I think he's a terrible actor.
But, Peter Parker is supposed to be weird, geeky, socially awkward, and in general, he's supposed to be a loser. It's a defining part of the character that Peter's life sucks before he gets powers...and continues to suck afterwards, but in whole new ways. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 17 Oct 2011 : 16:00:05
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Originally posted by Chosen of Asmodeus
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Originally posted by Dennis
Well, in the first place, Tobey is just too weird and dopey for the role.
I disagree. Not about Tobey being wrong for role, but I think he's wrong for every role as I think he's a terrible actor.
 I wanted to put it mildly, leaving a room for doubt---for maybe, just maybe, he was good in other films. Not a fan though, [obviously] so I can't really tell. Perhaps Alystra would care to defend him, as I was given the impression she likes him. |
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Chosen of Asmodeus
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 17 Oct 2011 : 16:59:19
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| I calls 'em like I sees 'em. Just this man's opinion. |
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Thelonius
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Posted - 18 Oct 2011 : 07:52:44
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Originally posted by Chosen of Asmodeus
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Originally posted by Dennis
Well, in the first place, Tobey is just too weird and dopey for the role.
I disagree. Not about Tobey being wrong for role, but I think he's wrong for every role as I think he's a terrible actor.
But, Peter Parker is supposed to be weird, geeky, socially awkward, and in general, he's supposed to be a loser. It's a defining part of the character that Peter's life sucks before he gets powers...and continues to suck afterwards, but in whole new ways.
I agree about Parker, but Spider-Man is suppoused to be ironic, funny and even irritating to his foes, but this Spider-Man is just too silent when fighting, and serious, of course not Tobey's fault but from the script... |
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Dennis
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Posted - 02 Nov 2011 : 05:43:09
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Does Doctor Strange have a lover who is also a magic-user? |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Dennis
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Posted - 02 Nov 2011 : 07:56:40
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Interesting. I read her wiki entry, and if the information is close to the comics, I think Earth X is where she’s portrayed best.
On a different note, has there ever been any homosexual innuendos in the MARVEL and DC Universe? I stumbled upon a forum where some members commented that homosexuality is an absolute no-no in MU and DCU. Is that true? |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 02 Nov 2011 : 15:18:09
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Maybe at one time or another. But the concept of sexuality is largely dealt with openly these days -- including notable gay, straight, and even bisexual characters.
In fact, the recent upswing of "sexuality" in the DCnU -- which is the new DC universe soft reboot launched back in September -- has caused a great deal of controversy among some groups, who question the need for the increased exposure of sex and sexual preferences in comics. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 02 Nov 2011 : 15:22:15
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Maybe at one time or another. But the concept of sexuality is largely dealt with openly these days -- including notable gay, straight, and even bisexual characters.
Who are those gay and bisexual characters? |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 02 Nov 2011 : 15:30:43
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Originally posted by Dennis
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Originally posted by The Sage
Maybe at one time or another. But the concept of sexuality is largely dealt with openly these days -- including notable gay, straight, and even bisexual characters.
Who are those gay and bisexual characters?
It's been a long time since I paid attention to Marvel, but I seem to recall that one (maybe two) of the members of Alpha Flight was gay. I can't really say too much more on the topic -- I bailed on Marvel many years ago, when character sexuality was still a more touchy (pun not intended) subject than it is today. |
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The Sage
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Posted - 02 Nov 2011 : 15:38:00
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Originally posted by Dennis
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Originally posted by The Sage
Maybe at one time or another. But the concept of sexuality is largely dealt with openly these days -- including notable gay, straight, and even bisexual characters.
Who are those gay and bisexual characters?
One particular character of note is the former member of Alpha Flight [and now an X-Man], that Wooly refers to above. Namely, Northstar.
As for bisexual characters, the first that comes to mind is Iris, from the Executive Assistant series published by Aspen Comics. I recall a rather poignant scene from a few years back which hinted at the possibility that she had had rather open sexual relationships with both men and women in the past. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 02 Nov 2011 : 15:44:19
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Consulted friend Google. Did some quick reading about Alpha Flight and Northstar. Some good, but most are...well, ridiculous. [Homosexuality and AIDS. Must the two always be mentioned together?] |
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
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Posted - 02 Nov 2011 : 16:21:06
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There was storyline wherein Northstar 'came out' - he was fighting an ex-hero named The Mounty IIRC, and the guy's son was killed because he was gay (I can't recall the details - he may have committed suicide), which drove his father nuts, because he never excepted him.
I thought that was VERY forward-thinking of Marvel at the time.
I always wanted to see Pyro come-out (c'mon... the guy's perfect... ) and then see the Brotherhood fight Alpha Flight, and during the battle both NS and Pyro disappear... only to reappear at the end of the book (afeter everyone notices NS gone and wonders where he got to), in a motel...
How freakin' hilarious would that be? Socially mature on several levels (you will recall Batman always had a thing for Catwoman).
Anyhow, I always look forward to hero films, but find many of them disappointing. At least the Marvel ones don't (usually) kill each of the main villains in every movie (yes circa 80's Batman... I'm looking at YOU). I hope they got Strange right. I'd also like to see more cameo's like they did with Wolverine in the last X-Man movie - Marvel was known for that. Have spidey or the Torch stop by to talk to Strange about something, that would be kinda cool. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 02 Nov 2011 : 16:26:42
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Originally posted by Markustay
I always wanted to see Pyro come-out (c'mon... the guy's perfect... ) and then see the Brotherhood fight Alpha Flight, and during the battle both NS and Pyro disappear... only to reappear at the end of the book (afeter everyone notices NS gone and wonders where he got to), in a motel...
I'd like to see that
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I hope they got Strange right. I'd also like to see more cameo's like they did with Wolverine in the last X-Man movie - Marvel was known for that. Have spidey or the Torch stop by to talk to Strange about something, that would be kinda cool.
Full agreement. As for Stan Lee, in a Doctor Strange movie, he'd probably do a cameo as one of the doctors in the hospital Strange works at. |
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Chosen of Asmodeus
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Posted - 02 Nov 2011 : 21:01:48
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| Have to understand the Northstar stuff was back in the 80s & early 90s. These were issues that needed talking about at the time. |
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The Sage
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Posted - 03 Nov 2011 : 00:11:53
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Originally posted by Markustay
I'd also like to see more cameo's like they did with Wolverine in the last X-Man movie - Marvel was known for that.
Wolverine's cameo was just one instance. I like the way they also showed the adult human form of Mystique from the earlier X-Men films as well. |
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Thelonius
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Posted - 04 Nov 2011 : 08:05:33
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| Also if I recall correctly it was stated that ultimate Colossus was homosexual, and also one of Samuel Wilson friends died from AIDS. |
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