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The Sage
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 Posted - 25 Sep 2011 : 10:50:01
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I believe it has to do with the fact that Krona was once "of Oa" -- since he is, or was, a rogue Guardian of the Universe like the rest of those strange little blue men.
In other words, it doesn't strictly relate to just a single conflict of anti-matter versus matter. There's an entire background element here, that goes beyond the mere strictures of terrestrial science in the DC universe. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 25 Sep 2011 : 11:31:12
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I see. It's just that the new Green Lantern [forgot her name], said [I'm paraphrasing here] that if Krona was an anti-matter, then the best way to deal with him was to smash him with matter. Hal and all other GLs following her suggestion pretty much emphasized the anti-matter vs. matter conflict.
Anyway, how did Mogo become a Green Lantern? For that matter, how can a planet become a Green Lantern? I've read the rather short article on wiki about him, and there's no mention of it at all. |
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The Sage
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Posted - 25 Sep 2011 : 14:49:29
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I see. It's just that the new Green Lantern [forgot her name], said [I'm paraphrasing here] that if Krona was an anti-matter, then the best way to deal with him was to smash him with matter. Hal and all other GLs following her suggestion pretty much emphasized the anti-matter vs. matter conflict.
Yeah. The animated film kind of simplified things. They kept the Oan origin for Krona, but largely reduced his whole impact on the matter universe as simply a conflict between anti-matter invading a matter reality.
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Anyway, how did Mogo become a Green Lantern? For that matter, how can a planet become a Green Lantern? I've read the rather short article on wiki about him, and there's no mention of it at all.
We've never really been made aware of Mogo's origins. We do know he/she/it has been a Green Lantern for a very, very long time. But that's largely it. "Mogo Doesn't Socialise," [which you can read here] as the saying goes. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 25 Sep 2011 : 15:34:24
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All live planets have sentience, I guess. But to make one planet [however intelligent it is] a Green Lantern... just sounds and looks ridiculous. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 25 Sep 2011 : 17:03:45
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All live planets have sentience, I guess. But to make one planet [however intelligent it is] a Green Lantern... just sounds and looks ridiculous.
A ridiculous concept in a comic book? Surely you jest! 
It does seem pretty out there, at least given what little I know about the DC universe. I still find it less ridiculous, however, than evacuating all of planet Earth in a matter of days, as happened in the comic The Authority, shortly after Warren Ellis left. That title was circling the drain by the end of the first non-Ellis story arc.  |
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The Sage
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Posted - 25 Sep 2011 : 18:01:32
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Originally posted by Dennis
All live planets have sentience, I guess. But to make one planet [however intelligent it is] a Green Lantern... just sounds and looks ridiculous.
Do remember that this was the 80's. A period in comic book history that saw some pretty outlandish concepts being incorporated. Comic books in the 80's were about finding new and interesting ideas. Largely gone was the classic and straight forward "superhero fights the supervillain" storylines. These books became entirely more complex, with opportunities to expand characters and casts beyond what we'd come to expect in the mid 60's to late 70's.
And, also, I suppose it should go without saying that Mogo was an Alan Moore-creation. Who was at the height of his powers [at least in terms of the DC universe] during this period of comic book history. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 25 Sep 2011 : 19:59:26
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So I shouldn't be surprised if a ring chose a microscopic bacterium to be a Green Lantern? |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 25 Sep 2011 : 22:25:58
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So I shouldn't be surprised if a ring chose a microscopic bacterium to be a Green Lantern?
Someone has to protect us from those evil protozoa!
"In brightest lab, under microscope's light..." |
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Dennis
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Posted - 25 Sep 2011 : 22:39:04
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So I shouldn't be surprised if a ring chose a microscopic bacterium to be a Green Lantern?
Someone has to protect us from those evil protozoa!
"In brightest lab, under microscope's light..."
 Brilliant, Wooly! [Who's gonna do the voice-over?] |
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The Sage
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Posted - 26 Sep 2011 : 06:15:10
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So I shouldn't be surprised if a ring chose a microscopic bacterium to be a Green Lantern?
There were a lot of new Green Lanterns with unusual forms added to the Corps in the 70's and 80's. I can't possibly name them all, but the DC website sampled several of the more "unique" Green Lanterns just before the film was released earlier this year.
I'll see if I can find the link. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 26 Sep 2011 : 06:18:34
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But surely there weren't any bacteria and fungi, right? Besides, how were they supposed to wear the rings? The Guardians would have had great difficulty creating miscrospic rings. |
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Chosen of Asmodeus
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Posted - 26 Sep 2011 : 10:10:01
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| Powerful as the guardians are? That'd be child's play. Besides, the 'ring' shape is just for convenience. They could make the device in any shape they wanted. |
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The Sage
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Posted - 27 Sep 2011 : 02:40:23
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But surely there weren't any bacteria and fungi, right? Besides, how were they supposed to wear the rings? The Guardians would have had great difficulty creating miscrospic rings.
Well, given how the ring of Mogo is integrated into the planet's very being, I can't see why microscopic entities can't also potentially serve as Green Lanterns.
Besides, it would offer an entirely new battleground for the Guardians to counter the threat of Parallax, for example.
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 27 Sep 2011 : 04:33:54
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But surely there weren't any bacteria and fungi, right? Besides, how were they supposed to wear the rings? The Guardians would have had great difficulty creating miscrospic rings.
Well, given how the ring of Mogo is integrated into the planet's very being, I can't see why microscopic entities can't also potentially serve as Green Lanterns.
Besides, it would offer an entirely new battleground for the Guardians to counter the threat of Parallax, for example.
And a very small battleground at that! "On this slide, we have the Battle of Paramecium Valley..." |
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Dennis
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Posted - 27 Sep 2011 : 06:26:57
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Powerful as the guardians are? That'd be child's play. Besides, the 'ring' shape is just for convenience. They could make the device in any shape they wanted.
In the comics, did the Guardians create something of different shape but functioned the same as the rings? Gauntlets? Earrings? Necklaces? Bracelets? Cloaks? Eyeglasses? Tattoos? |
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The Sage
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Posted - 27 Sep 2011 : 08:18:06
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Dennis
But surely there weren't any bacteria and fungi, right? Besides, how were they supposed to wear the rings? The Guardians would have had great difficulty creating miscrospic rings.
Well, given how the ring of Mogo is integrated into the planet's very being, I can't see why microscopic entities can't also potentially serve as Green Lanterns.
Besides, it would offer an entirely new battleground for the Guardians to counter the threat of Parallax, for example.
And a very small battleground at that! "On this slide, we have the Battle of Paramecium Valley..."
Which does remind me of a favourite line from the Forgotten Worlds computer game:- "You cannot stop me with Paramecium alone." |
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The Sage
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Posted - 27 Sep 2011 : 08:21:03
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Powerful as the guardians are? That'd be child's play. Besides, the 'ring' shape is just for convenience. They could make the device in any shape they wanted.
In the comics, did the Guardians create something of different shape but functioned the same as the rings? Gauntlets? Earrings? Necklaces? Bracelets? Cloaks? Eyeglasses? Tattoos?
The ring itself seems to be a core element of how a Green Lantern's power works -- given it's intimate relationship with the Central Power Battery on Oa.
And, of course, if other forms for harnessing the various colour-coded powers of the Emotional Spectrum were a possibility, then I suspect most of the other colour-Lantern Corps would've forged their own. But, for the most part, they all seem focused on rings.
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Dennis
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Posted - 27 Sep 2011 : 13:57:19
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Another influence of Tolkien?
Anyway, I have another question. It's clear that the ring chooses its owner. But can someone "force" a Green Lantern's ring to "obey" his will? Say, by means of very powerful or subtle magic? |
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The Sage
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Posted - 27 Sep 2011 : 16:30:12
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No. The will of the ring is largely insurmountable.
The very recent revelation that Hal's ring selected Sinestro to once again become a Green Lantern -- against the wishes of some of the Guardians -- is proof enough of that. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 27 Sep 2011 : 16:49:16
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What then constitutes the will/essence of a ring? Is it some kind of an embodiment or physical representation of all the good in the universe? Or an extension of will of an unknown overgod-like entity? |
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Chosen of Asmodeus
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Posted - 27 Sep 2011 : 17:59:42
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| I wouldn't rule it out as completely impossible; the rings are technology, and technology can be hacked. While it hasn't happened so far(to my knowledge) I wouldn't be surprised if a writer used it in the future. |
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The Sage
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Posted - 28 Sep 2011 : 01:04:38
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What then constitutes the will/essence of a ring? Is it some kind of an embodiment or physical representation of all the good in the universe? Or an extension of will of an unknown overgod-like entity?
I don't think this has ever been properly defined, by the events of both "The Sinestro Corps War" and "Blackest Night" suggest that the primary motivating force for the GL ring, is Ion -- the entity-embodiment of the Will, much like Parallax is the Yellow Entity for the power of Fear and the Sinestro Corps. |
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The Sage
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Posted - 28 Sep 2011 : 01:05:50
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I wouldn't rule it out as completely impossible; the rings are technology, and technology can be hacked. While it hasn't happened so far(to my knowledge) I wouldn't be surprised if a writer used it in the future.
Certainly.
And I imagine it will come to such eventually. Geoff Johns has been the main creative force behind the Green Lantern relaunch since 2005, so I'd expect he's still got a few ideas left that will involve further changes to the mythos. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 28 Sep 2011 : 02:50:23
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What then constitutes the will/essence of a ring? Is it some kind of an embodiment or physical representation of all the good in the universe? Or an extension of will of an unknown overgod-like entity?
I don't think this has ever been properly defined, by the events of both "The Sinestro Corps War" and "Blackest Night" suggest that the primary motivating force for the GL ring, is Ion -- the entity-embodiment of the Will, much like Parallax is the Yellow Entity for the power of Fear and the Sinestro Corps.
Then it can be subjected to 'corruption,' as anything physical, in the first place, can be, in many ways, corrupted. |
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The Sage
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Dennis
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Posted - 28 Sep 2011 : 21:43:32
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Has anyone watched All-Star Superman? Is it good? |
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The Sage
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Posted - 29 Sep 2011 : 01:38:55
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Has anyone watched All-Star Superman? Is it good?
It's a remarkable translation of Grant Morrison's grand work. A fitting tribute to the Man of Steel's career.
Though, I would recommend that interested viewers also read the graphic novel that the animated feature was based upon. It's a masterpiece of comic-book storytelling. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 29 Sep 2011 : 03:22:17
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Does it have a novelization, too? |
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The Sage
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Dennis
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Posted - 29 Sep 2011 : 04:17:31
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Does it have a novelization, too?
No.
However, there are a number of differently priced formats of the graphic novel, should you wish to purchase a copy.
Maybe they'll release a novel soon? They did one for Infinite Crisis. Though it's not entirely a Superman book.
The last Superman novel I read was The Death and Life of Superman by Roger Stern, which I really liked. |
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