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Dennis
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 Posted - 20 Aug 2011 : 10:52:39
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Perhaps Strange can harness part of Logan's mental-healing ability and use it as he attempts to mend Wanda's psyche? While he probes Wanda's mind, Wanda would naturally resist and subject him to her alternate world. But given Logan's regenerative power, he'll be able to also resist Wanda's tampering and eventually succeed in mending her mind... |
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Thelonius
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Posted - 20 Aug 2011 : 10:56:58
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| They don't even have time to accomplish that as it is Wanda herself who puts and end to House of M by starting the Decimation. B ut in the House of M reality I think Strange never acts as wanting to recover reality or interact with Wanda as she pictures herself as a regular human in there, so besides Logan, Luke Cage and Emma Frost noone knows Wanda is to blame. The Sage once again would have to correct me in here though. |
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The Sage
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Posted - 20 Aug 2011 : 12:13:33
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And besides, I don't think she'd have been able to accomplish much. Professor X didn't have much luck helping Wanda...
Even with the use of Cerebro? It's supposed to increase his psychic powers exponentially, right?
Well, Cerebro's affect on the Professor's telepathic power has always been an inconsistent element in the comics.
Back in the 90's, the Professor -- with Cerebro's help -- couldn't even prevent the telepathic powers of Nate Grey [the X-man, and arguably the most powerful telepath on Earth] from literally ripping the Professor's mental avatar from the astral plane and bringing forth to the material plane. And that's supposed to be impossible because of the barriers between the realities of both the astral and material planes.
So if Nate could achieve this reality-shattering power against both the Professor and Cerebro, then Wanda's amazing feat of reality-fracturing would likely fall into the same category of being uncontested by the Xavier/Cerebro pairing as well.
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Are there already hints given as to what or who could cure Wanda?
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The Sage
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Posted - 20 Aug 2011 : 12:16:02
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Perhaps Strange can harness part of Logan's mental-healing ability and use it as he attempts to mend Wanda's psyche? While he probes Wanda's mind, Wanda would naturally resist and subject him to her alternate world. But given Logan's regenerative power, he'll be able to also resist Wanda's tampering and eventually succeed in mending her mind...
Thelonius essentially has the right of it once again.
Besides, the past attempts that have been made to harness or duplicate Logan's regenerative properties have led to unexpected results. Like Deadpool, for example.
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Dennis
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Posted - 20 Aug 2011 : 12:29:40
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They don't even have time to accomplish that as it is Wanda herself who puts and end to House of M by starting the Decimation. B ut in the House of M reality I think Strange never acts as wanting to recover reality or interact with Wanda as she pictures herself as a regular human in there, so besides Logan, Luke Cage and Emma Frost noone knows Wanda is to blame. The Sage once again would have to correct me in here though.
Feel free to correct me if I'm mistaken... Essentially, Doctor Strange is far more powerful than Wolverine and Emma Frost, right? If so, then how is it that those two had a near-immunity to Wanda's reality-bending power while the Sorcerer Supreme himself fell prey to it? |
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Dennis
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Posted - 20 Aug 2011 : 12:33:24
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Perhaps Strange can harness part of Logan's mental-healing ability and use it as he attempts to mend Wanda's psyche? While he probes Wanda's mind, Wanda would naturally resist and subject him to her alternate world. But given Logan's regenerative power, he'll be able to also resist Wanda's tampering and eventually succeed in mending her mind...
Thelonius essentially has the right of it once again.
Besides, the past attempts that have been made to harness or duplicate Logan's regenerative properties have led to unexpected results. Like Deadpool, for example.
Well, considering their options, they could have tried again, right? Who made those attempts anyway? If it wasn't Doctor Strange, then he could have done so himself this time. [Sorry if I sound like I'm treating Doctor Strange as a panacea.] |
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Thelonius
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Posted - 20 Aug 2011 : 12:45:07
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They don't even have time to accomplish that as it is Wanda herself who puts and end to House of M by starting the Decimation. B ut in the House of M reality I think Strange never acts as wanting to recover reality or interact with Wanda as she pictures herself as a regular human in there, so besides Logan, Luke Cage and Emma Frost noone knows Wanda is to blame. The Sage once again would have to correct me in here though.
Feel free to correct me if I'm mistaken... Essentially, Doctor Strange is far more powerful than Wolverine and Emma Frost, right? If so, then how is it that those two had a near-immunity to Wanda's reality-bending power while the Sorcerer Supreme himself fell prey to it?
Logan had a conflict between his "real" memories and the ones Wanda created. Emma Frost was visited by Logan and a child that had some kind of power and still remembered the original reality, they together made Emma Frost realize the reality was twisted. About Cage he was just a criminal in the House of M world so he joined forces with Logan to attack Magneto , not like he really remembered his real self. |
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Chosen of Asmodeus
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Posted - 20 Aug 2011 : 14:06:16
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I guess even in the movie they boosted Wolverine's powers. Remember that scene in X-Men 3 where Jean practically turned everything to dusts? Wolverine survived her direct assault by his natural regenerative ability. And considering that Jean's powers that time as a Phoenix were like nukes, it was too unlikely for Wolverine to have survived. But then again, one may say she recognized Logan for who he was and so went a little bit easy on him...
There wasn't much boosting involved. Wolverine's regenerative ability has always been almost "god-like."
The opening arc of the recent Wolverine: Weapon X series had Logan's regenerative healing factor fighting off specially-derived genetic-bullets carrying practically every deadly virus known to humankind.
Always is a strong word. There was an arch...late seventies, early eighties, one of his first solo series. He goes to japan and a samurai, not a mutant just a samurai, hits him in the chest with a wooden katana and very nearly kills him. As he got more popular the healing factor was continuously cranked up, especially as his fans started writing his comics. The angel of death thing was a means to bring it down to earlier levels.
Back in World War Hulk, Hulk and Wolverine get into a scrape. Hulk says he can't kill Logan, so he decides to neutralize him through other means; punching him in the head so hard his brain turns to jelly as it's slammed against the inside of his metal skull. Logan's out for pretty much the rest of the fight as Hulk takes on the rest of the X-men, and Xavier mentions that while Hulk didn't realize it, he actually could have killed Logan with a couple more punches. |
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The Sage
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Posted - 20 Aug 2011 : 16:03:08
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Feel free to correct me if I'm mistaken... Essentially, Doctor Strange is far more powerful than Wolverine and Emma Frost, right? If so, then how is it that those two had a near-immunity to Wanda's reality-bending power while the Sorcerer Supreme himself fell prey to it?
The whole point of Wanda's mental breakdown, and, subsequently, the House of M storyline, was to present a fundamentally new status for the Scarlet Witch.
Wanda's growing power affected everyone in weird and unexpected ways. And I wouldn't say that Wolverine had a near-immunity to Wanda's power. It's largely only because of his memory tampering that I spoke of earlier, that he could even remember the world as it used to be.
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The Sage
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Posted - 20 Aug 2011 : 16:06:17
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Well, considering their options, they could have tried again, right? Who made those attempts anyway? If it wasn't Doctor Strange, then he could have done so himself this time. [Sorry if I sound like I'm treating Doctor Strange as a panacea.]
That would take the character of Strange away from what he's always been. Tampering with people on that level would be against most of what he's stood for in the past. |
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Posted - 20 Aug 2011 : 16:11:03
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Always is a strong word. There was an arch...late seventies, early eighties, one of his first solo series. He goes to japan and a samurai, not a mutant just a samurai, hits him in the chest with a wooden katana and very nearly kills him. As he got more popular the healing factor was continuously cranked up, especially as his fans started writing his comics. The angel of death thing was a means to bring it down to earlier levels.
Well, I did say "almost always," because I was remembering that particular story and, also, the consequence of his "failing/pushed-to-the-limit" healing factor after Magneto ripped the adamantium from his bones in the Fatal Attractions storyline.
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Back in World War Hulk, Hulk and Wolverine get into a scrape. Hulk says he can't kill Logan, so he decides to neutralize him through other means; punching him in the head so hard his brain turns to jelly as it's slammed against the inside of his metal skull. Logan's out for pretty much the rest of the fight as Hulk takes on the rest of the X-men, and Xavier mentions that while Hulk didn't realize it, he actually could have killed Logan with a couple more punches.
That's an inconsistent aspect of Logan's power, unfortunately. As I also recall instances of Logan recovering from bullet wounds to the head [and I'm not referring to either the X-Men or Wolverine films here]. Which likely would've also resulted in as much massive brain trauma as his tussle with the Hulk. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 20 Aug 2011 : 16:11:07
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Well, considering their options, they could have tried again, right? Who made those attempts anyway? If it wasn't Doctor Strange, then he could have done so himself this time. [Sorry if I sound like I'm treating Doctor Strange as a panacea.]
That would take the character of Strange away from what he's always been. Tampering with people on that level would be against most of what he's stood for in the past.
Even though it's for the "greater good"? |
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The Sage
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Posted - 20 Aug 2011 : 16:12:29
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Well, considering their options, they could have tried again, right? Who made those attempts anyway? If it wasn't Doctor Strange, then he could have done so himself this time. [Sorry if I sound like I'm treating Doctor Strange as a panacea.]
That would take the character of Strange away from what he's always been. Tampering with people on that level would be against most of what he's stood for in the past.
Even though it's for the "greater good"?
Hehe.
Doctor Strange and the concept of "the greater good" haven't always seen eye-to-eye. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 20 Aug 2011 : 16:29:10
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Well, considering their options, they could have tried again, right? Who made those attempts anyway? If it wasn't Doctor Strange, then he could have done so himself this time. [Sorry if I sound like I'm treating Doctor Strange as a panacea.]
That would take the character of Strange away from what he's always been. Tampering with people on that level would be against most of what he's stood for in the past.
Even though it's for the "greater good"?
Hehe.
Doctor Strange and the concept of "the greater good" haven't always seen eye-to-eye.
How ironic. Isn't the Eye of Agamotto supposed to let him see that always?! [Sorry, I can't help myself. ] |
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Dennis
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Posted - 29 Aug 2011 : 09:23:46
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I wonder whatever happened to THIS. Marvel should really start its production right after the Avengers movie...
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Had anyone watched the 1978 Dr. Strange movie? I just skimmed through it. Couldn't bear the acting, the effects (if you can even call it that), the looks of Doctor Strange, the sound...well, practically everything. |
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Chosen of Asmodeus
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Posted - 29 Aug 2011 : 19:44:44
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Only thing I've heard about the most recent plan is that Patrick Dempsey's trying to get the role as Strange. Not sure I could see that, but then again the only person I could ever see actually playing Strange would be Vincent Price, and unless there's a necromancer in the audience...
As for the 78 Strange film, nope, haven't seen it. But I have a distaste for most superhero related shows from the 70s. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 29 Aug 2011 : 20:27:53
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As for the 78 Strange film, nope, haven't seen it. But I have a distaste for most superhero related shows from the 70s.
If he were alive, he would be like 90 years old today. Which means he'd be more fit to play the role of the Ancient One instead. |
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Chosen of Asmodeus
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Posted - 29 Aug 2011 : 20:39:49
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| This is why we need the time machine. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 29 Aug 2011 : 21:13:52
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I don't think that's necessary. We currently have a pool of great ---veterans and new---actors who are (more than) capable of playing the Sorcerer Supreme's role. |
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Alystra Illianniis
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Posted - 29 Aug 2011 : 23:23:50
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They don't even have time to accomplish that as it is Wanda herself who puts and end to House of M by starting the Decimation. B ut in the House of M reality I think Strange never acts as wanting to recover reality or interact with Wanda as she pictures herself as a regular human in there, so besides Logan, Luke Cage and Emma Frost noone knows Wanda is to blame. The Sage once again would have to correct me in here though.
Feel free to correct me if I'm mistaken... Essentially, Doctor Strange is far more powerful than Wolverine and Emma Frost, right? If so, then how is it that those two had a near-immunity to Wanda's reality-bending power while the Sorcerer Supreme himself fell prey to it?
Logan had a conflict between his "real" memories and the ones Wanda created. Emma Frost was visited by Logan and a child that had some kind of power and still remembered the original reality, they together made Emma Frost realize the reality was twisted. About Cage he was just a criminal in the House of M world so he joined forces with Logan to attack Magneto , not like he really remembered his real self.
And that child would be Layla Miller, whose power is that she "knows stuff" (very potent clairsentience, I think) and is now a member of X-Factor. And apparently gets married to Jamie Maddrox (Multiple Man) in the future. Logan and Layla were initially the only two who remembered the world before Wanda changed it. They visited Emma and Scott first, and Emma read Layla's mind and then remembered. She helped the rest of the heroes who tried to stop/help Wanda to remember their own lives- in fact one of the most notable cases was for Peter Parker, who nearly had a mental breakdown when he got a glimpse of his real life- in Wanda's world, he was happy, successful, and loved by all. (Including Jameson- there's proof that Wanda was living in a dream world!) |
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Posted - 30 Aug 2011 : 00:00:45
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Well, his house of m life wasn't perfect. He was successful and loved by all because everyone thought he was a mutant, and he had to deal with constant anxiety over the possibility of them finding out that he wasn't. And a lot of that break down comes from being in a happy marriage to Gwen Stacy, complete with a kid, in HoM, and finding out that was a lie, she was dead, and he quite possibly accidentally killed her. So yea, far sight better than his actual life.
There's a theory going around that Layla's powers severely mess with whoever she uses them on as most of the people she uses them on in House of M have gone on to do...pretty messed up things. Tony Stark shot the Hulk into space and caused the civil war, Peter sold his marriage to the devil, Doc Strange turned to dark magic with much more frequency, etc. |
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Chosen of Asmodeus
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Posted - 30 Aug 2011 : 02:25:22
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| Yeap. Of course, Marvel would never go with it as it's much too clean. |
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The Sage
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Posted - 30 Aug 2011 : 02:49:49
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There's a theory going around that Layla's powers severely mess with whoever she uses them on as most of the people she uses them on in House of M have gone on to do...pretty messed up things. Tony Stark shot the Hulk into space and caused the civil war, Peter sold his marriage to the devil, Doc Strange turned to dark magic with much more frequency, etc.
It's an intriguing theory, but it doesn't quite work.
Tony Stark wasn't the only individual responsible for sending the Hulk off into space. That was a decision made by the entire Marvel Illuminati. And Peter's bargain with Mephisto as part of "One More Day" was set up more as a character-driven element, than any true example of him being influenced by an outside source. And as for Strange turning to dark magic, well, he's done that so many times in the past that I really don't think the current lot of examples over the last few years are anything more than a continuation of that trend.
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Posted - 30 Aug 2011 : 03:03:43
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True, though Tony was the driving force behind the vote. Theres a reason Namor beat him to a pulp instead of Reed.
And there are so many holes in the logic of OMD that I do not have room to list them all.
As for Strange, he drank Zom. He drank Zom.
That being said, I don't buy the theory, either. Besides the holes, I don't credit the marvel writers with that much foresight. |
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Posted - 30 Aug 2011 : 04:23:40
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That being said, I don't buy the theory, either. Besides the holes, I don't credit the marvel writers with that much foresight.
Well, there's also been the suggestion that the Serpent, the main fear-inducing Norse antagonist of the current Fear Itself event, may have been the secret cause for much of what has gone wrong in the Marvel Universe over the last five or so years.
I don't believe that myself, either. |
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Posted - 30 Aug 2011 : 04:58:38
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| See, I'd believe that they'd retcon him into being the cause, but not that they'd planned it in advance. Especially since Fear Itself was only conceived within the last year and originally planned as a simple Cap/Thor crossover. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 23 Sep 2011 : 13:42:47
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Sage and a few others noted that Doctor Strange dabbled with dark magic in the past. Did he ever use it to try to resurrect someone? |
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Posted - 23 Sep 2011 : 16:22:58
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Sage and a few others noted that Doctor Strange dabbled with dark magic in the past. Did he ever use it to try to resurrect someone?
Not that I can recall. And, besides, the various powers from whom Strange draws his arcane might -- like the Vishanti -- would rarely allow it. |
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Posted - 25 Sep 2011 : 09:53:43
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I've just watched the film Green Lantern: Emerald Knights. Why did the Green Lanterns have to push Oa to de-materialize Krona? Since Krona is an Anti-Matter, the sun should have been more than enough to obliterate him, right? |
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