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Dennis
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 Posted - 16 Jun 2011 : 12:19:52
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I recently watched The Green Lantern. And fellow scribes, I recommend you do, too! It's a great film---easily one of the best this year (or decade).
I like the background story of Hal and Hammond and how it naturally unveiled in the movie. The "irony" of Parallax's identity surprised me. I was kinda expecting a totally "alien" entity bearing that name. Sinestro isn't one of the main villains, but the very last clip hinted that he would most probably be in the sequel. Watch till the credits so you'd know what I mean.
The love angle was sort of enmeshed in the story, something in which Reynolds played quite well. And I think Reynolds also delivered in showing Hal's happy-but-sad-inside disposition, and of course, his fearless nature. At first, I thought "their" concept of fearless is the complete lack of fear. I'm glad it isn't. Hal showed the Guardians what that concept really meant.
There's something lacking in the final battle: originality. I don't know if the script writers simply followed the comics. But with all the unique things Hal first demonstrated with his powers (to his bestfriend's amusement), his last act looked like a (slightly altered) imitation of some heroes' feats in other films. Don't get me wrong, though. That last bit did not in any way destroy the beauty and awesomeness of the film.
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The Guardians forged a yellow ring, in the hope of defeating Parallax. |
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The Sage
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Posted - 16 Jun 2011 : 15:20:54
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Originally posted by Dennis
Major Spoiler:
The Guardians forged a yellow ring, in the hope of defeating Parallax.
Hmmm. That would seem to be a deviation from the origin of the Yellow Rings in the comics.
SPOILER:-In the comics, Sinestro came into possession of the first Yellow Power Ring after his banishment to the antimatter universe of Qward. Both he and it become the centrepiece of the Sinestro Corps. The Yellow Rings use fear, as opposed to willpower, as a power source, to awaken Parallax from hibernation. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 16 Jun 2011 : 20:37:34
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In response to Sage's Spoiler, I'd like to point out (another spoiler): 
Sinestro led a bunch of Green Lanterns to try to stop Parallax. The said entity effortlessly killed them, leaving Sinestro the lone survivor. Having gauged their enemy's strength, Sinestro convinced the Guardians to forge a Yellow Ring. The immortal Guardians were left no better option but to do so, for they admitted that their combined powers would prove insufficient to stop Parallax, who was on his way to invade Oa. The last clip (which DC and Marvel movies are fond of having after the credits) showed Sinestro wearing the Yellow Ring. And another major spoiler: Parallax was a former Guardian from Oa. |
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Alystra Illianniis
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Posted - 17 Jun 2011 : 04:39:49
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| Sill, the reason for all the fourth-wall breaking in the Deadpool comics is because he is the only "hero" in the MU who actually knows he is a comic book character! (This is thanks to Loki, go figure- though I'm not up on the specifics of how he gained that knowledge.) This is one reason why I love him; he is absolutely insane, has a wicked sense of humor, and a very cavalier attitude towards violence- mostly because he knows it's all made-up! |
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Alystra Illianniis
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The Sage
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Posted - 17 Jun 2011 : 05:46:30
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quote:
Originally posted by Dennis
In response to Sage's Spoiler, I'd like to point out (another spoiler):
Sinestro led a bunch of Green Lanterns to try to stop Parallax. The said entity effortlessly killed them, leaving Sinestro the lone survivor. Having gauged their enemy's strength, Sinestro convinced the Guardians to forge a Yellow Ring. The immortal Guardians were left no better option but to do so, for they admitted that their combined powers would prove insufficient to stop Parallax, who was on his way to invade Oa. The last clip (which DC and Marvel movies are fond of having after the credits) showed Sinestro wearing the Yellow Ring. And another major spoiler: Parallax was a former Guardian from Oa.
Hmmm. Sounds like they're coupling the origin of Parallax in the film, with Krona's Guardian origins from the comics. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 17 Jun 2011 : 06:10:36
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Naughty spoiler:
There were two scenes where Reynolds was wearing nothing but boxers. And I thought he'd be naked the second time, where he was subjected to full body "scan" in that Sector guarded by a fish-like GL. |
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Lord Karsus
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Posted - 17 Jun 2011 : 08:15:50
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Originally posted by The Sage
I know it's a long shot, but I'd love to see Headpool appear in the Deadpool film. 
-As long as Hit Monkey is the main antagonist.
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Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis
Sill, the reason for all the fourth-wall breaking in the Deadpool comics is because he is the only "hero" in the MU who actually knows he is a comic book character! (This is thanks to Loki, go figure- though I'm not up on the specifics of how he gained that knowledge.) This is one reason why I love him; he is absolutely insane, has a wicked sense of humor, and a very cavalier attitude towards violence- mostly because he knows it's all made-up!
-A few other characters have broken the fourth wall, in story (as opposed to in Letters to the Editors sections). I don't recall it having anything to do with Loki, though.
-I like Deadpool in theory, back in X-Force from the early-to-mid '90s, and especially in Cable & Deadpool. I swapped comics with my half-brother (gave him all of C&D, and he gave me Deadpool Vol. 1-4), and I didn't really enjoy it. Deadpool seems too directionless too often, and when that happens, he gets a bit stale. In C&D, he had direction, and his synergy with Cable (and later, Bob) was great. In his solo series, it didn't feel like a series, but more like just the Marvel events with Deadpool in them (Secret Invasion, Dark Reign, etc.). |
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Dennis
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Posted - 17 Jun 2011 : 08:54:10
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Is there an elf Green Lantern? In the gathering of Green Lanterns in the planet Oa, a beautiful humanoid was briefly shown which looked like an elf. |
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Edited by - Dennis on 17 Jun 2011 08:56:29 |
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Lord Karsus
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Posted - 17 Jun 2011 : 15:38:36
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Originally posted by Dennis
Is there an elf Green Lantern? In the gathering of Green Lanterns in the planet Oa, a beautiful humanoid was briefly shown which looked like an elf.
-Don't really know anything about Green Lantern, but they're basically an intergalactic police force, like the Nova Corps, right? So, in theory, there could be a Green Lantern from Abeir-Toril. |
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The Sage
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Posted - 17 Jun 2011 : 16:16:50
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Originally posted by Dennis
Is there an elf Green Lantern? In the gathering of Green Lanterns in the planet Oa, a beautiful humanoid was briefly shown which looked like an elf.
There are Green Lanterns from many different worlds across the 3600 sectors of the universe. And yes, several of them do look like elves.
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-Don't really know anything about Green Lantern, but they're basically an intergalactic police force, like the Nova Corps, right?
Essentially, yes. But the mandate of the Green Lantern Corps tends to be more universally recognised by peoples and worlds across the universe. The Nova Corps on the other hand, are neither as expansive nor authoritative with their power. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 17 Jun 2011 : 19:49:04
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Is Parallax vulnerable to all the lights in the Emotional Spectrum except green?
Parallax appeared to be a "greater" threat in the universe (in the movie), so one would expect the other Lanterns (Orange, Blue, Indigo) should have helped the GLs. Why didn't they? |
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Wooly Rupert
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Dennis
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Posted - 17 Jun 2011 : 20:41:27
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The White Lantern Corps came much later. Basically, there weren't yet formed during the events in the movie. |
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The Sage
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Posted - 18 Jun 2011 : 01:55:07
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Originally posted by Dennis
Is Parallax vulnerable to all the lights in the Emotional Spectrum except green?
Parallax is, ultimately, vulnerable to anything that triumphs over the Fear he embodies. That's why Hal Jordan was later able to defeat Parallax in the comics, because he overcome his "greatest fear," which Parallax once manipulated to control/subsume him. [And for the record, his greatest fear was the destruction of his home city by the Cyborg Superman {By Torm, I loved the 90's}. ]
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Parallax appeared to be a "greater" threat in the universe (in the movie), so one would expect the other Lanterns (Orange, Blue, Indigo) should have helped the GLs. Why didn't they?
This has never been properly defined... but I think it mostly has to do with the core concept that for one to overcome fear [Parallax], one must possess a strong will [a Green Lantern]. The other emotions associated with the Emotional Spectrum really wouldn't assist as much, in conquering fear. |
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The Sage
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Posted - 18 Jun 2011 : 01:57:54
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Are White Lanterns unable to do anything after Labor Day?
I suppose that's up to the Entity, or, much later, the Swamp Thing, to decide.
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Alystra Illianniis
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Posted - 19 Jun 2011 : 04:36:57
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Just got back from seeing it, and all I can say is- hmmmmm.... I liked it, though there were a few places that felt a bit contrived in the story. I liked Hal, and the Killowog GL, and Sinestro was cool. Parallax seemed like somewhat of a Galactus-styled threat (referring to the Galactus from the FF2 movie, not the comics). It was over too soon for my taste, but otherwise, it was pretty good.
Regarding Deadpool, his direction in the later Deadpool issues after C&D was to try to find his own inner "hero", and turn over a new leaf. Most of the issues deal with him doing that, against the backdrop of the major events going on at the time. Some issues, admittedly, are more for the sake of humor, but they still tie in with the over-all theme. I loved Bob, and especially Weasel being part of his "cast". And yes, it WAS Loki who originally revealed to DP that he was in fact a comic book character. Something to do with an attempt to take over Asgard, I think, but I've never read the comic where the specifics of that particular bomb were dropped. However, that knowledge has been mentioned as being part of the cause of Deadpool's "insanity". In other words, knowing that he is not "real" is part of the reason he is so nuts! Not sure how Loki himself knows that, when none of the other Norse or Olympic gods do. But AFAIK, they are the only two Marvel characters who do. |
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The Sage
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Alystra Illianniis
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Posted - 19 Jun 2011 : 05:12:16
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| Ah, it's been a while since I've read any comics (mine are all in boxes). Refresh my memory, won't you, Sage? As for the Loki/fourth-wall thing, that has been discussed a few times over on the Marvel boards, where I'm a Moderator. (I'm MsMarvelDuckie over there, but have not been on much recently.) |
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Dennis
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Posted - 19 Jun 2011 : 05:14:45
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Who named him that? And why? I kinda like it, actually. Did he die in a pool? Drowned in a pool? Likes to see dead mean bathing in a pool of their own blood? |
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Alystra Illianniis
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Posted - 19 Jun 2011 : 05:28:26
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| Ah, no. It's none of the above. His name comes from the fact that he was part of the Weapon X program, and was promised that his terminal cancer would be cured by the experiments being done on him (which involved much pain, some of Wolverine's X-gene DNA, and some other stuff I can't specifically recall ATM). He and several other "guinea pigs" were subjected to horrible experiments, during which most (or all, I think) of the others died, one by one. They had started a betting pool among themselves as to who would be next to die, calling it a "deadpool"- since he was the only survivor, Wade Wilson (which is NOT his "real" name, BTW) took the name Deadpool as his handle. It's sort of a way to "honor" or at least remember how he got his powers and the ones who died in the process of that. Fitting, since he started his career as an assassin. And the cancer? Only partially cured- it is eternally held in check by his healing factor, but would kill him very quickly if he ever lost that power. (And is the reason he wears a mask- if you've seen him without it, he's horribly scarred by the cancer.) |
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Dennis
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Posted - 19 Jun 2011 : 05:38:23
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Hmm, quite interesting, I say. No wonder Marvel is making a Deadpool movie. Was he once a member of the Avengers? Or did he just do some cameo? |
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Alystra Illianniis
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Posted - 19 Jun 2011 : 05:49:29
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| He's never been a member of the Avengers roster. However, he HAS occasionally teamed with several of the current Avengers members- Spidey, Wolverine, She-Hulk, Dr. Strange, and probably others I can't recall off-hand. (Mind you, these are from both the New Avengers team and the "official" Avengers team, post-Civil War/Skrull Invasion) He has also teamed with Brother Voodoo, Cable- as already mentioned, the X-Men, X-Factor, Defenders, and several others. He has/had his own comic title for some time now, which is where most of his team-ups occur. Moon Knight and Blade, and even Punisher have teamed with him. |
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The Sage
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Posted - 19 Jun 2011 : 11:36:28
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Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis
Refresh my memory, won't you, Sage?
Basically, Deadpool is contracted to kill Wolverine. And in the antics that follow -- including some darkly humorous scenes whereupon Deadpool cooks up some rather perverse methods of death for the Canadian X-Man [one of which, involves dropping a piano on him from above {somewhat reminiscent of the old Loony Tunes cartoons}] -- we are provided with deeply personal glimpses into the mind of Wade Wilson, and shown the kinds of issues he really had to deal with day-to-day.
In the end we are, as readers, left to make our own decisions about Deadpool and his mind.
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The Sage
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Posted - 19 Jun 2011 : 11:39:14
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Originally posted by Dennis
Hmm, quite interesting, I say. No wonder Marvel is making a Deadpool movie. Was he once a member of the Avengers? Or did he just do some cameo?
He's never been an active member. But he has been considered for membership -- or, at the very least, has been counted among a vast group of "potential" Avenger-recruits... back when Iron Man and Ms. Marvel were putting together a new team of Avengers just after the Superhero Civil War. You can clearly see Deadpool's image and biographical data streaming on computer screens in the background during a particular scene where Iron Man is running down a list of already active Avengers who didn't side with Captain America during the Civil War.
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Dennis
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Posted - 20 Jun 2011 : 02:07:43
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The membership is voluntary, right? What reason did he say why he didn't join? |
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The Sage
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Posted - 20 Jun 2011 : 02:35:32
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The membership is almost always voluntarily, but active members usually vote on whether a prospective recruit can join. Though, without getting too heavily into real-world politics affecting the Avengers through the comics, sometimes they've been required to activate certain heroes, in times past, by their government liaison... to promote government policy. One example includes both the deliberate acceptance and/or denial of mutants on the team -- whether the team wants them or not. This has largely waxed and waned -- and almost in direct response to the threat Magneto has posed to the world [and, in particular, the US] previously.
As for not bringing Deadpool on the team... it was simply a matter of Iron Man and Ms. Marvel filling out the new government-sanctioned Avengers with other recruits before they reached the possibility of considering Wade for membership. They had almost one-hundred heroes to choose from, after all... |
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Dennis
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Posted - 20 Jun 2011 : 02:59:00
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In short, he had already been "rejected" before he could even hear the offer... |
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Lord Karsus
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Posted - 20 Jun 2011 : 04:24:32
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| -The Marvel Wiki is saying nothing about Loki, in that context. It says Loki tried to trick him once, claiming to be Wade's father, but nothing in that context. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 20 Jun 2011 : 05:15:51
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Speaking of Avengers, I really hope that before Marvel (and Disney) make an Avengers movie, they'd do a Sorcerer Supreme first, even if it would just be a stand-alone. |
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