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Fair enough, Wooly. I suppose I shouldn't exclude the possibilities until D&D starts sporting ridiculous crossbreeds like drowforged, tanarchons, and dracobolds.

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You do realize there's the Bastards & Bloodlines OGL sourcebook?

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Originally posted by Mr_Miscellany

Brian pitched the idea to Wizards, not the other way around. If there was any anouncement on Candlekeep, that would have been premature.

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Originally posted by Matt James

Brian did not pitch the idea to WotC. They sought him out.

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The point I've been driving at is we can't have a normal discussion about 4E without the same scribe leveling libelous BS at Wizards of the Coast employees as though it's a perfectly acceptable thing to do.

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The point I've been driving at is we can't have a normal discussion about 4E without the same scribe leveling libelous BS at Wizards of the Coast employees as though it's a perfectly acceptable thing to do.

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Here's an idea, Misc: Ignore it, move on, don't make it worse.

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The point I've been driving at is we can't have a normal discussion about 4E without the same scribe leveling libelous BS at Wizards of the Coast employees as though it's a perfectly acceptable thing to do.

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Here's an idea, Misc: Ignore it, move on, don't make it worse.

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I'm afraid it's often not as easy as that. You see, it's almost become common practice -- despite my efforts to dissuade some inclined scribes -- to automatically employ the kind of strategy Mr. Miscellany refers to above.

If it were only the odd occurrence here and there, I'd entirely agree with your view on how to handle it. But, unfortunately, that can't be the case, because all too often, such discussions quickly degenerate into convenient 4e/Wizards-bashing. So unless it's dealt with by Moderators, then we'll quickly find that Candlekeep will no longer be the place for free and open Realms chatter... because we'll all be too busy defending our own views on the subject of the 4e Realms.

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But if one isn't a moderator, like Misc, then they shouldn't be fanning the flames. Report it, move on.

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Originally posted by Arik

Though I haven't seen any detailed maps of post-plague Kara-Tur and Zakhara, the big map doesn't appear to have substantially changed (ie: those differences that are immediately visible to me could just be artifacts of different cartography styles).

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Originally posted by Markustay

A person who posted on the WotC site - right after the 'Rich Baker must be stopped' crap started-up over there - that HE should be blamed for everything. So I am doing precisely what the guy asked us to do - blame HIM for everything, and I am in the wrong for that?

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Originally posted by Bladewind

I believe I saw someone quote from the 4e FR tome that the Spellplague hid the eastern lands very hard.
Ah I found it:
"EASTERN LANDS

The Endless Wastes give way to the young Tuigan kingdom of Yaïmunnahar and the continent of Kara-Tur, neither of which are shown on most Faerûnian maps. Kozakura and Shou Lung are great nations within Kara-Tur, and the Spellplague was at least as destructive there as it was in Faerûn. In the last hundred years more immigrants from Kara-Tur have begun to settle in Yaïmunnahar and Faerûn, bringing their cultures and unorthodox fighting styles with them."

This resulted in an increased influx of Kara-Turan refugees, and the establishment of many eastern-styled districts in the larger towns in Faerun (think lampoon-lighted, smoke-scented china-towns in port-cities like Westgate, Vaelen and Ordulin). Its now more common to spot Dragon Samurai, Shou Disciple and Kensai bodyguards at the doorsteps of merchant houses. Similarly Wu-Jen, Shugenja and Eastern Psion have more established presence in the 15th century power-political play of the casting classes in Faerun.

The nation established by the Kahan dynasty, Yaïmunnahar, probably flourished after the influx of new Shou-Lung, Wa and Kozakuran blood. This new nation is now not only renowned for its horse raiders, but has established a strong presence in the naval power struggles around the Sea of the Fallen Stars and beyond.

The cosmological repercussions for the Celestial Bureaucracy are more difficult to extrapolate. My guess is that the single domain of the Celestial Emperor stood firm, but its edges were severely battered by the magical storms that raged through the Astral Sea upon Mystra's demise. The immortal Nine Travelers and the Mad Monkey surely survived this, but some of the millions of spirit denizens of the heavenly realms surely have suffered, displaced or perished.

I surmise that after these turbulent times the Celestial Emperor ordered the location of his astral domain to be replaced into a location that could oversee the re-energized Feywild and the dark Shadowfell proper. This means he had to broker with Ao for a new bureaucracy and new decrees that adapted to the changes in Torils cosmology. For his migration plans, he send emmisaries and scouts into the Feywild. Hengeyokai, Spirit-folk, Rice-spirits and other lesser Immortals were used for this task. For the recollection of souls he'd had to search for them in the newly risen Shadowfell. I think the Spirit-Warriors, Sages, Ladies of Compassion, Moon Women, Jade Ladies and Lords of Karma eventually established a new bureaucracy for the Celestial Emperor within the Shadowfell.

Perhaps some Oni or Kami were able to establish their own little domains from the unstable fragments of the Celestial Heavens, and these orbit like dark moons around the main domain of the Celestial Bureaucracy. These dark moons are habited by unfortunate tempted souls of the dead, and have been corrupted or altered by their new oni or kami masters as they see fit. At certain astronomically determined times in Kara-Tur, the domain moons are able to overlap Selune, causing strange phenomena to occur on the natural world. Some Oni lords like sending certain eternal champions on twisted perversion of quests to gain some sort of power over the people in Kara-Tur.

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Not to nit-pick, but only the bolded section is what is mentioned in the FRCG. All else is your own speculation. (I'm pointing it out because the " you used get kinda lost in the post.)

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Still, I don't think my speculation is that far off and proves to be useful for anyone wanting to flesh out a Oriental campaign in the 15th century Realms. Or do you disagree with parts of it?

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Originally posted by Arik

Back to the D&D genetics thing ...

The oversimplification is a little bit disappointing. Why is there an assumption that every hybrid creature will inherit the best (or at least half of the best) traits from both parents? There is an equal chance that the creature will inherit only the worst traits, or more likely, a middly bunch of unremarkable conflicting traits. With real genetics, a half-elf could express as almost identical to a human or an elf, as could the child of two half-elves (assuming they weren't sterile). Genetics in D&D worlds seems to be more "vibrant" than in ours, a lot of "impossibly unlikely" creatures and races are born and magical "bloodlines" carry very real manifestations.

Still, I'd think some half-elves would be as blind as humans in the dark, or as resistant to charms as any "pure" elf. And many half-elves would be weak or sickly, having all sorts of long-term health effects and organ failures and such stuff, they might have natural lifespans substantially shorter than either parent.

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Originally posted by sleyvas



What happened with the 7 sisters? Were they all killed and did they reveal how for each?

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• Alustriel (spelling?) grew old and passed away, leaving her kingdom of Lurar and the city of Silverymoon to her half-elven son (who' now growing old too).


• Dove's where-abouts are unknown, her future is unknown.


• Simbul's fate is mentioned in the Elminster Must Die novel


• Lariel's fate is unknown to me, though I think it's stated in the Blackstaff novel


• Alvaerele Tasundrym's fate is unknown, though she appears in Blackstaff


• Qilue is deceased


• Sylune is deceased


• Storm Silverhand's fate is unknown

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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I think a lot of the interspecies mating you find unlikely isn't as much a case of an elf saying, "Hmm, I think I'll go breed with a human!" as it is simply two people finding each other attractive and falling into bed without any thought of the consequences -- something that happens readily enough within a race.

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