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Hoondatha
Great Reader
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 Posted - 18 Dec 2010 : 01:25:42
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Alystra: It wasn't in the first movie; Edmund was riding a talking horse. As for the second... hmm... can't remember. Haven't seen it in well over a year.
Darn it, now you've got me curious. I'm going to go dig that DVD out and check. Be back later.
Edit: Ok, found it. Second movie. It's Susan who rides a centaur, briefly, as they're all fleeing the failed castle attack. She gets down once they get out, apparently, because she's walking by the time they reach the How. |
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Alystra Illianniis
Great Reader
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
15724 Posts |
Posted - 18 Dec 2010 : 04:32:16
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Originally posted by Arik
It is a bit of a ridiculous question. It's like asking "who would win, 1000 Clerics or 1000 Wizards?"
How about something more fun?
A 1000 Vampire Centaurs vs 1000 Ninja Wemics! 
And would they join forces to fight dino-riding zombie monkeys with lasers strapped to their freakin' heads? |
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Ayrik
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 18 Dec 2010 : 07:49:39
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What I was trying to say was more along the lines of
1) It's a ridiculous matchup. How and why would it ever happen?
2) A large number of significant parameters can affect the outcome enough to shift it either way. |
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Bladewind
Master of Realmslore
Netherlands
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Posted - 18 Dec 2010 : 18:14:16
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Wemic are described as in the Monster Compendium: Monsters of Faerun as hunters of the plains, and masters of the ambush and expert strategists. Seems very warlike to me. A typical wemic has good move silently, spot, listen and survival, exceptional jump and relatively good hide skill for its size. The favorite weapons of wemics are claws, spears, javelins and shields. Exceptional wemics take pride in any possession of magic weapons, and most of their mercenaries are likely to except them as the only payment for their tracking skills.
Centaurs are more like rural woodland hunters, good at horticulture and hunting big game and monsters of the forests. They are stated to prefer to stay close to their forest glade lairs, which seems far more defensive minded. Centaurs are wont to litter their glades with thorny briars, snares and pits to increase the defensive potential of their lairs. Typical centaurs have similar skill set but are less skilled in them overall, and lack the exceptional skill in jumping wemics have. The favorite weapons of centaurs are hooves, composite bows, lances and clubs (a distinct advantage for the centaurs here). Mercenary centaurs prefer to get paid in foodstuffs and alcohol (again a wemics advantage).
The scenario posted by the OP is interestingly stacked against the centaurs. A centaur tribe is at its weakest when they haven't been able to cultivate their lair to optimal defensive conditions through their planting skills. The 1000 centaurs strong tribe would likely try to cross the plains as fast as they can (they have their 10ft speed advantage to do this), and if they can reach the wooded mountain glades they could probably win. The collected wemic pride of around 1000, supported by a cleric of Nobanion as its leader with paladin of Nobanion as bodyguards and squad leaders sounds like a force that could threaten a lot of conventional Fearunian armies. Add that they are fighting in their home turf, they could set up snares and harry the crossing centaur tribe into a position for a massive ambush. The result would be a melee slaughter. |
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Synthalus
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 18 Dec 2010 : 20:18:17
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| The wemics are a tribal people with no writing skills or interest in recording history. Nature gave the wemics their hunting grounds, so they fight tooth and claw against the civilizations encroaching upon them from all sides. The wemics aren’t evil and don’t want to hurt anyone in particular, but they do want strangers to stay well clear of their hunting grounds and the wemics’ plentiful prey. |
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Roaryn
Acolyte
Canada
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Posted - 26 Aug 2011 : 11:10:56
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Hello Everyone. I am new to these forums, but have been playing for a number of years. In my opinion the wemics have the advantage and this is due to the following reason.
1. Just becasue some cultures are barbaric does not mean they are at a disadvantage, quite the contrary. They are more violent then thier more civilized folk. We just have to look at our own history to see this. For example Ghengis Khan conquered more area than even the Romans and they even went against the empire of China and won. William Wallace took on the British and even though he died in the end Scotland gained independence. The Romans were defeated by Barbarians. Hannibal was undefeated while in Italy.
2. Due to the wemic hunting and strategy, and that they have ambush and stealth and work together as the lion pride they are a force to be reckon with.
3. The reason the Romans defeated the Barbarians (Celts) is that in thier culture personal combat was more important than working together.
4. Look at the barbarians spells and magical items (Spirit arrows and Eagle spears, not to mention war paint and sacred bundles. Monkey skulls and the rest.)
5. The wemics hire out for money and weapons, armour and magic. They have a defence minded in regards to there camps. Were Centaurs are boozers.
6. Through ambush, trade and others who sell weapons in any conflict, bows and arrows and metal weapons and armour would soon get in the wemics hands if not before hand.
7. Where centaurs are farmers, wemics are hunters and if the conflict goes long the centaurs will starve due to the inability to plant thier crops were the wemics could always eat the horses :)
8. Running to charge to only get pounced on and ripped apart and speared by a wemic who is used to killing large beasts in hand to hand combat is a great advantage.
9. Guerilla warfare is quiet effective. Look at Viet Nam and the Americans as a recent modern war. The VC use weapons they took from the French and those purchased or given by the other communist countries like Russia and China, but using tricks and traps and punji sticks forced the Americans out.
10. But also it boils down to luck of the dice, chance and the will to win. Morale and reasons why you are fighting. A person fighting for his home and his family will be more likely to win against someone who is doing it for money.
11. Nobanion clerics have Roar of the Lion, and if if the centaurs have something like that I haven't heard. Not to mention Wemics are excellent Great cat trainers, having a bunch of lions tagging along for the kill would be better than wardogs. Come to mention that do centaurs have anything close to that? Not to mention Nobanion has the Fang Shields and thier allies, Were-Lions, Were-tigers and other cat like beasts. Not to mention a city of followers ready to come to Nobanion's call in a holy crusade should the need arise.
I have played a wemic and I they are tough.
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 26 Aug 2011 : 11:29:14
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Wemics are a lot faster than centaurs, and I guess have better endurance, too. |
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Lady Shadowflame
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 26 Aug 2011 : 12:09:55
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A wemic's what versus a centaur's what, precisely?
Misplaced apostrophes make Deneir cry.
In any case, I believe that the battle concept has not enough information. X vs. Y, while entertaining, too frequently fails to take into account the other factors; warfare is not conducted in a conveniently self-contained way. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 26 Aug 2011 : 14:29:26
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Originally posted by Lady Shadowflame
Misplaced apostrophes make Deneir cry.
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Seethyr
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 26 Aug 2011 : 22:06:16
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I'm a huge fan of wemics, myself... But I really don't care for any of the other "tauric" critters, except maybe driders.
No love for the tlincalli? |
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Chosen of Asmodeus
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 27 Aug 2011 : 00:24:37
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| Wemics, from what I've seen, are largely based off the zulu tribe. If they apply similar tactics, you'd see a "chest & horns" manuever; with the stronger warriors making a tight line in the middle & the faster troops branching out to surround the target. Whole thing is done very fast, with high grass & sloping hills used to cover the approach. |
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GRYPHON
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 27 Aug 2011 : 16:35:05
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
USA
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Posted - 27 Aug 2011 : 17:02:42
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| Thayan Centaurs or your generic "I'm hiding in the woods, which makes no sense" centaur? |
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Fellfire
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 27 Aug 2011 : 19:53:35
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I recall a race of zebra-like centaurs from some 2e sourcebook or another. Anybody remember these guys? It seems these two would be natural enemies and a much more likely match-up.
edit: I found them. The name Zebranaur is less than original. It says they are much more pacifistic than the wemics. Choosing to flee rather than fight, but if forced to, I think the Zebranaur archers would be a force to be reckoned with. |
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Chosen of Asmodeus
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 27 Aug 2011 : 20:11:25
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Again, knowing more about zulu culture than wemics, thowing spears would play a big part in their offence.
And if your enemy hides in the forest, simply burn the forest down. Then again, the same could work on the high grass of the plains to herd your enemy. |
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