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BARDOBARBAROS
Senior Scribe
Greece
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 Posted - 24 Jul 2010 : 10:31:08
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I want to ask when a pc, during the battle, summons a monster from an amulet of summoning to help the party defending their enemies; after the encounter, the DM in the division of the XP gained includes and the summoned monster or only the party members???
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BARDOBARBAROS DOES NOT KILL.
HE DECAPITATES!!!
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 24 Jul 2010 : 14:51:25
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| I've give the XP to the characters. In this case, the monster is just a weapon, like a sword or mace. |
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Diffan
Great Reader
USA
4438 Posts |
Posted - 24 Jul 2010 : 15:38:30
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| Wooly is correct. Any summoned creature, whether by spell or magical item, isn't included in the XP of the party. In my games, only the PCs get XP unless they want to share some XP with a mount (say a fighter has a war-horse and wants the war-horse to gain additional HD, the horse would then have to gain XP |
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BARDOBARBAROS
Senior Scribe
Greece
581 Posts |
Posted - 24 Jul 2010 : 15:59:15
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| Ok ..thank u for your help...Is there any official rule for this matter or it's in the will of the DM and PCs where to give the XPs ?? |
BARDOBARBAROS DOES NOT KILL.
HE DECAPITATES!!!
"The city changes, but the fools within it remain always the same" (Edwin Odesseiron- Baldur's gate 2) |
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Kentinal
Great Reader
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Posted - 24 Jul 2010 : 23:13:26
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Originally posted by BARDOBARBAROS
Ok ..thank u for your help...Is there any official rule for this matter or it's in the will of the DM and PCs where to give the XPs ??
Well it is in the DMG, any Edition as to how to award experience points. There however also is some advice of awarding points if too easy or too hard.
A summed monster does not earn experience points, because if it wins or loses a battle it is just a bad dream for that NPC. When a wolf is summoned it will not be the same wolf (or there is a chance it might be) so tracking ex. pts. for random and sometimes never called again makes no sense. Use a a spell is part of the class so the award system is based on rewards to the PCs and Companion NPCs not called by magic. |
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BARDOBARBAROS
Senior Scribe
Greece
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Posted - 24 Jul 2010 : 23:18:28
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BARDOBARBAROS DOES NOT KILL.
HE DECAPITATES!!!
"The city changes, but the fools within it remain always the same" (Edwin Odesseiron- Baldur's gate 2) |
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Dracons
Learned Scribe
USA
299 Posts |
Posted - 24 Jul 2010 : 23:19:36
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Depends on what your doing.
Offical rules are No: Summoned creatures do not gain XP. Nor do any undead ruled by clerics/antipaladns whatnot.
One game I did once that was loosely based on Pokemon was that wizards only had summon spells and boost spells. (They could boost their creature they summoned, or command their creature to attack another creature). It was like a giant world arena where wizards would go and summon their chosen creatures, who each ahd their own names and personalites. Those summon creatures did get xp, and would gain new levels where they gain more hd, feats, and special abilities. |
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Ayrik
Great Reader
Canada
7989 Posts |
Posted - 01 Feb 2011 : 17:13:03
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Kentinal
... When a wolf is summoned it will not be the same wolf (or there is a chance it might be) so tracking ex. pts. for random and sometimes never called again makes no sense. Use a a spell is part of the class so the award system is based on rewards to the PCs and Companion NPCs not called by magic.
How does this logic apply to recurring summons? Say, for example, Drizzt's panther figurine/companion Guenhwyvar — does it earn XP? |
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Alisttair
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 01 Feb 2011 : 17:32:25
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Originally posted by Arik
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Kentinal
... When a wolf is summoned it will not be the same wolf (or there is a chance it might be) so tracking ex. pts. for random and sometimes never called again makes no sense. Use a a spell is part of the class so the award system is based on rewards to the PCs and Companion NPCs not called by magic.
How does this logic apply to recurring summons? Say, for example, Drizzt's panther figurine/companion Guenhwyvar — does it earn XP?
Guenhwyvar is epic level, no?
Anyways, sort of on topic, the NWN games got a lot of this wrong. Summoned monsters in those games act as an NPC, reducing the ammount of XP you get, which is stupid because they are there as part of the power of the PC class and its like your being penalized for not being a fighter (as an example).
Stupid side rant on my part, sorry! |
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Diffan
Great Reader
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Posted - 01 Feb 2011 : 17:36:38
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Originally posted by Arik
How does this logic apply to recurring summons? Say, for example, Drizzt's panther figurine/companion Guenhwyvar — does it earn XP?
Sadly no. Since it's esssence is built into the magical item, it more or less stays the same over time. I had the same question for my character who wears the Pegasus Helm of Kloeth Ironstar and the celestial pegasus it calls forth. By the rules, it'll stay the same. |
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Ayrik
Great Reader
Canada
7989 Posts |
Posted - 01 Feb 2011 : 18:01:26
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That's basically my opinion as well: the magic item (and the living creature within it) are unchanging.
I could be mistaken, and I haven't read a lot of Drizzt overall, nor read any Drizzt at all for a long time ... and I kinda hate to use this example but it's well known to us all ... but it seems to me that Guenhwyvar can learn things, and can remember them between his "activations" ... isn't this pretty much exactly what "experience" is all about? |
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Alisttair
Great Reader
Canada
3054 Posts |
Posted - 01 Feb 2011 : 18:05:05
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Originally posted by Arik
That's basically my opinion as well: the magic item (and the living creature within it) are unchanging.
I could be mistaken, and I haven't read a lot of Drizzt overall, nor read any Drizzt at all for a long time ... and I kinda hate to use this example but it's well known to us all ... but it seems to me that Guenhwyvar can learn things, and can remember them between his "activations" ... isn't this pretty much exactly what "experience" is all about?
yeah but Drizzt is an XP Mooch and doesn't like to share with Guen. He sends him away just before his DM (R.A.S. I guess) gives xp for the encounters. |
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Ayrik
Great Reader
Canada
7989 Posts |
Posted - 01 Feb 2011 : 18:49:48
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| Drizzt's DM is pretty stingy then ... Drizzt slaughters countless opponents (and clashes with at least one major nemesis) in each novel, and I can't even count the novels. Yet in 100 years he's only managed to jump from R12 to R16, with his 2E stats and 10% XP bonus that equates to only about 1200 orc grunts. Even with Guen eating half the XP that's still pretty chintzy, Drizzt level should be closer to R25ish. |
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Alisttair
Great Reader
Canada
3054 Posts |
Posted - 01 Feb 2011 : 19:11:14
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Originally posted by Arik
Drizzt's DM is pretty stingy then ... Drizzt slaughters countless opponents (and clashes with at least one major nemesis) in each novel, and I can't even count the novels. Yet in 100 years he's only managed to jump from R12 to R16, with his 2E stats and 10% XP bonus that equates to only about 1200 orc grunts. Even with Guen eating half the XP that's still pretty chintzy, Drizzt level should be closer to R25ish.
If he was working off of 3E rules, I think those orc grunts are worth 0xp to someone of his level. So he probably only got xp from the big battles. |
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Ayrik
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 01 Feb 2011 : 19:26:28
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RAS only wrote 1E/2E stats for Drizzt, lol. He apparently doesn't play 3E or beyond. Ergo my choice of 2E.
Did you know that by killing just two orc grunts every day, Drizzt would amass 73,000 kills and enough XP to reach R20 after a century. Just two orcs each day. Hardly a 5-minute workout. |
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Alisttair
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 02 Feb 2011 : 11:53:30
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Originally posted by Arik
RAS only wrote 1E/2E stats for Drizzt, lol. He apparently doesn't play 3E or beyond. Ergo my choice of 2E.
Did you know that by killing just two orc grunts every day, Drizzt would amass 73,000 kills and enough XP to reach R20 after a century. Just two orcs each day. Hardly a 5-minute workout.
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Ayrik
Great Reader
Canada
7989 Posts |
Posted - 02 Feb 2011 : 13:53:48
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| lol, I saw the youtube clip. Do The Great Ones always look so nervous at conventions? |
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