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Wooly Rupert
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 Posted - 30 May 2010 : 22:02:47
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Originally posted by Jakk
I'm not sure if this qualifies as a stupid question or not, but... why is the illustration on page 49 of the Grand History of the Realms titled "Kisonraathiisar’s slow demise" when the picture is of a warforged being repaired? For those who need some context... Kisonraathiisar was the topaz dragon who is the first recorded king of Westgate (there is some dispute as to whether he was the city's founder), and he was killed by the Netherese wizard Saldrinar. My thought is, the wrong artwork was inserted... if there's any reason why the warforged would be the correct artwork, I'm extremely interested... 
Someone dropped the ball on that one... It's not the only mislabeled bit of artwork in 3E, but it's certainly one of the most WTF ones. |
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Alystra Illianniis
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 02 Jun 2010 : 01:54:21
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Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis
Ah, Bless you all for those wonderful questions! (And the answers, of course.) I take it that artwork was not in the 3E FRCS book? I don't remember anything like that. Was TGHotR even 3E? I've never come across it, and now that everyone is only selling 4E, I probably never will.... Sucks.
It included no game stats at all, so it's not something that can readily have an edition label applied. That said, it was the last FR product in the 3.x era, and gave us our first hints of what was to come.
I see it on eBay quite frequently.  |
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Alystra Illianniis
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Posted - 03 Jun 2010 : 07:37:56
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| I try to stay away from eBay for the most part. Can never seem to win a bid. So it was a "fluff" piece? That might explain why I never saw it. The book stores around here don't sell much game stuff anyway, and I don't see them ordering something that isn't useful for stats. Then gain, I missed a big chunk between the end of 3.5 and 4, due to not having time, money, or vehicle to go buy game materials. Thanks for the info, though. |
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The Sage
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Posted - 03 Jun 2010 : 08:28:54
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Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis
I try to stay away from eBay for the most part. Can never seem to win a bid. So it was a "fluff" piece? That might explain why I never saw it. The book stores around here don't sell much game stuff anyway, and I don't see them ordering something that isn't useful for stats. Then gain, I missed a big chunk between the end of 3.5 and 4, due to not having time, money, or vehicle to go buy game materials. Thanks for the info, though.
The Grand History of the Realms is, essentially, a tome full of time-lines and vignettes [self-contained pieces of text] relating to important periods in Toril's history. It takes us up to the end of the 3e era [1375/76 DR] and very briefly [the last section of the book] touches upon events between that period and the time of the onset of the Spellplague in 1385 DR.
I'd also recommend keeping an eye out on nobleknight.com for spare, second-hand copies of GHotR at reasonable prices... that is, if using eBay has become a problem for you. |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 03 Jun 2010 : 11:50:46
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Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis
I try to stay away from eBay for the most part. Can never seem to win a bid. So it was a "fluff" piece? That might explain why I never saw it. The book stores around here don't sell much game stuff anyway, and I don't see them ordering something that isn't useful for stats. Then gain, I missed a big chunk between the end of 3.5 and 4, due to not having time, money, or vehicle to go buy game materials. Thanks for the info, though.
When it comes to buying stuff, eBay is my best friend. I've gotten a lot of FR stuff there, including my recent find of a very obscure FR promo item.
When I buy stuff, if it's not Amazon or a local store, it's usually eBay. I mainly use it to either get stuff on the cheap, or to find stuff that's simply not available locally, like out of print material or goodies from Japan (mostly shitajiki). |
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Sill Alias
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Posted - 06 Jun 2010 : 13:24:58
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| Let's assume that the gods smashed each other in Highlander style (there can be only one!), merging into one entity. Can it kick the ass of Ao? |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 06 Jun 2010 : 15:54:27
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Originally posted by Sill Alias
Let's assume that the gods smashed each other in Highlander style (there can be only one!), merging into one entity. Can it kick the ass of Ao?
No. Remember, Ao was able to kick every single deity out of the heavens and strip away their power. It's like comparing guys with BB guns to an M1 Abrams tank. It doesn't matter if it's one person shooting at the tank, or a concentrated volley from a whole bunch of people -- that M1 is going to win every time. |
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The Sage
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Posted - 06 Jun 2010 : 16:31:36
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Originally posted by Sill Alias
Let's assume that the gods smashed each other in Highlander style (there can be only one!), merging into one entity. Can it kick the ass of Ao?
I suggest you read the introductory sections of Faiths & Avatars, as well as Ao's entry in that same tome. They both make it clear why something like what you're proposing here probably wouldn't work in the Realms.
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Sill Alias
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Posted - 20 Jun 2010 : 17:16:57
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Wanted to revive this topic.
Can avatar of the deity get drunk? |
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The Sage
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Posted - 20 Jun 2010 : 17:45:11
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Originally posted by Sill Alias
Wanted to revive this topic.
Can avatar of the deity get drunk?
I wouldn't think so. Or, rather, not in the same way as a mortal, perhaps.
Besides, with the unique special abilities and spellcasting traits of the individual avatars, I'm sure they'd have some degree of "correcting" the state of "being drink" should it ever actually occur for entities that possess a sliver of divine power. |
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Sill Alias
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Posted - 20 Jun 2010 : 17:49:50
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| Just remembered that from the BG2 when Jan Jansen was telling about avatar of Oghma drinking on some party where he was till being drunk as log. Definitely a lie, but... |
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The Sage
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Posted - 20 Jun 2010 : 18:39:43
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Or it could've been something of a "tall tale" from Jansen. Given his character, I certainly wouldn't put it past him to make more of a particular story than it actually was.
Let's remember also, the tendency of some Realmslore [like the "Avatar" trilogy] to incorrectly attribute some very 'human' traits to the various deities. |
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Razz
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Posted - 20 Jun 2010 : 19:11:59
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Originally posted by _Jarlaxle_
Don't tell me you don't know the mightiest beeing ever oO
http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75882/19869366/The_most_powerful_character._EVER. ;-)
I saw that awhile ago and I squashed the entire thing as per RAW (and it wasn't by invoking Rule Zero, either). I can't remember for the life of me what it was I pointed out, but it destroyed the legitimacy of Pun-Pun immediately (I should've posted it on the forum at the time). |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 20 Jun 2010 : 20:21:09
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| I'd imagine that an avatar could get drunk if it wanted to, especially if the deity was associated with alcohol, like Dionysus or Cayden Cailean. |
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The Sage
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Posted - 21 Jun 2010 : 01:14:16
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I'd imagine that an avatar could get drunk if it wanted to, especially if the deity was associated with alcohol, like Dionysus or Cayden Cailean.
Exactly. But I don't think it would work in quite the same way as mortals. Avatars can't and don't function in the exact same way as mortal physiology, so I suspect that the overall impact of alcohol on an avatar's form, would be considerably different.
Unless, of course, the Avatar didn't want to reveal its unique status to those around them. In which case, I would imagine it *could* choose to appear [or actually be] drunk. |
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Knight of the Gate
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Posted - 21 Jun 2010 : 01:33:58
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Sill Alias
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Posted - 21 Jun 2010 : 07:29:05
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| Are there any worshipers that follow the deities in the way of hippies? Please, say nothing about druids and rangers. |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 21 Jun 2010 : 11:10:36
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Are there any worshipers that follow the deities in the way of hippies? Please, say nothing about druids and rangers.
I think we need a bit more clarification on what you mean. |
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Markustay
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Posted - 21 Jun 2010 : 20:27:24
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Unless the Avatar was bound into an Incarnation, which is mortal, and therefore would be susceptible to certain 'mortal limitations' (the only canon ones we are aware of being those in Mulhorand and Unther).
Hmmm... I think the actual terminology was 'Manifestation', which is different for 'a manifestation', which is just confusing.
Anyhow, as a DM, I have have always played it where demi-powers were a transition-stage for mortals entering Godhood - a stage which could take some of the slower ones hundreds, perhaps thousands, of years. Call 'em what you want - OD&D 'Immortals', or 4e Exarchs - its all just verbiage to me.
Anyhow, since a demi-power is linked to the prime-material (and I believe that most, if not all, live there), they are merely 'super-human', and therefore killable, or subject to drunkeness - athough their fortitude would be incredible and it would take 10-100 times what it takes to make a normal person drunk.
Just opinion, mind you...
I also once-again fall back onto Marvel's comics for a precedent - Wolverine's healing factor is what I picture for demi-powers - it is insanely powerful. Nearly all meta-humans have some inkling of it, to varying degrees, but Wolvie's is legendary. Anyhow, he smokes, because he can't get cancer. The cells could possibly form, but his body destroys them as fast as they are made. He was also immune to the Vampiric curse (which makes me think Marvel's version was more 'viral' in nature), but it was pure hell for him to fight it off. He also has a problem getting drunk... but it is possible. He has to drink enormous amounts of potent alcohol to over-come his healing factor (IIRC, that was in one of his mini-series).
So I picture Avatars and demi-powers (which are really just solo-Avatars power-wise) to be on-par with Wolverine - super-human, but not invulnerable (a'la Superman). Gods are more on-par with Superman - Superman has literally 'moved planets'.
Just my 2 cents.... |
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Markustay
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Posted - 21 Jun 2010 : 20:33:49
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Originally posted by Sill Alias
Are there any worshipers that follow the deities in the way of hippies? Please, say nothing about druids and rangers.
For some reason Eldath jumps to mind, but that certainly isn't anything canon.
You know, 'Freedom'... 'water flowing'... not sure where I'm going with this... {insert 'head-scratching smiley}
Also, Chauntea worshippers tend to live in 'communes', which they call 'Harvest Houses' (there is more then one in canon) - the largest of which being Goldenfields near waterdeep. Not sure how 'Hippyish' you are talking.
If we want to picture a Faerûnian version of Woodstock, well... a party where bards play for Eilistrae worshippers might come close.
Also, in a less-humorous vein, Shamanistic rites use drug/dance/chant rituals which is about as close as you might come to anything approaching the 'less savory' aspects of the Hippy lifestyle. Tribal peoples live in a commune-like culture, so I guess if we were going this way with 'Hippyish' then the Uthgardt tribes are all hippies (disdaining civilization, etc...). Shaaran tribes would probably work as well... but really, no 'true hippies' anywhere. |
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Sill Alias
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Posted - 22 Jun 2010 : 11:57:44
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| As hippyish I did not meant drugs and sniffing. I meant ideologically. |
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Markustay
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Posted - 22 Jun 2010 : 15:08:03
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The 'free love' aspect might be put on Sharess worshipers... actually a cross between Sharess and Sune. You know, "Make Love, not War".
It would be interesting to write-up a 'commune' that worshiped a trinity of Sune, Chauntea, and Eldath (Eldath is about 'Peace' - probably where my subconscious dredged that up from). One that welcomed Bards of Ohgma all the time (and perhaps a few Sharess worshipers).
For my ill-fated 'Old West meets FR' campaign, I had both Menonites and Amish written-up, with lore tying the groups to the Realms. Not exactly hippies, but they do live in a commune-like social structure and disdain civilized trappings. |
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Jakk
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Posted - 22 Jun 2010 : 16:28:33
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Originally posted by Razz
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Originally posted by _Jarlaxle_
Don't tell me you don't know the mightiest beeing ever oO
http://community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/75882/19869366/The_most_powerful_character._EVER. ;-)
I saw that awhile ago and I squashed the entire thing as per RAW (and it wasn't by invoking Rule Zero, either). I can't remember for the life of me what it was I pointed out, but it destroyed the legitimacy of Pun-Pun immediately (I should've posted it on the forum at the time).
Razz, if you remember what this snag is (or if anyone else reading this is familiar with Pun-Pun and recalls noticing something similar), please post the answer here... if Pun-Pun doesn't qualify as a stupid question, nothing does. |
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Jakk
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Posted - 22 Jun 2010 : 16:38:47
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Originally posted by Bakra
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I always enjoyed thinking outside the box. The third option only worked once in our campaign. I got credit for being original at the time but as the DM said, “If it was that simple then manuals on stone golem construction wouldn’t exists.”
Jakk did your character eve make a ‘chia’ golem from the April issue of Dragon magazine?
I missed this question earlier... sorry. 
No, sadly, I never got that opportunity... depending on which issue that was, I may not have been playing... I had a two-year hiatus from playing from spring 2006 to spring 2008. I was self-employed in a small town with (so I thought) no other gamers. I kept up with the final year and a half of Dragon and Dungeon through the FLGS in the city I moved out of. |
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Alystra Illianniis
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Posted - 22 Jun 2010 : 18:25:33
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| Hippies in faerun?! LMAO!! Chauntea or Sharess, definitely!! And probably a few Eilistraeeans and Ohgmites. Heck, lets say it's the ultimate hippie commune, and add Hanali and Sune, and Yondalla... Odd, most of these are female deities- I sense a feminism movement in the works, lol!! |
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Markustay
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Posted - 22 Jun 2010 : 21:47:56
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Wonder what there Clerical Sphere would be like?
Granted Powers: resistance to poisons and most chemical substances.
At least one spell would have to be called 'Hippy, Hippy Shake'.
They'd also get the 'circle magic' feat - Drums circles (watch South park). |
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Kilvan
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Posted - 23 Jun 2010 : 20:25:01
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Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis
Spheres: Plant, Animal, Earth
They'd definitely get resistance to domination spells. (Like, down with the establishment! We won't do what the MAN wants!)
And maybe get create food and water as a granted power?
hmm maybe they'd be able to cast 'Color Spray' once per day as a spell-like ability. Fortunately for their ennemies (if any), they usually prefer to cast it on themselves (Colors!!! Oooooo, pretty).
They also probably developed a resistance to poison and disease, though it might not be enough considering the amount they are in contact with on a daily basis. |
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