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Pazuzu
Seeker
Germany
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 Posted - 05 May 2010 : 20:41:39
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| Next one, because I just try to prepare "Shadowdale - The Scouring of the Land": Where is Castle Krag?! I think I'm blind... |
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Brimstone
Great Reader
USA
3290 Posts |
Posted - 05 May 2010 : 20:43:44
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Originally posted by Markustay
It would save Entreri a lot of walking, and RAS could have all his toys (except for Cleric Quintet) in one toybox. It would also finally make that area a little more interesting (all that unexplained crap above Narfell would finally have some meaning).
Not a rant - just saddened by an opportunity missed.
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thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
Alaundo of Candlekeep |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31799 Posts |
Posted - 06 May 2010 : 01:39:44
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Originally posted by Pazuzu
Next one, because I just try to prepare "Shadowdale - The Scouring of the Land": Where is Castle Krag?! I think I'm blind...
From the 2e Shadowdale sourcebook [pg. 10]:-
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Perched on a low rise beneath Watcher's Knoll, Castle Krag ...
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Laerrigan
Learned Scribe
USA
195 Posts |
Posted - 06 May 2010 : 02:15:05
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Originally posted by Markustay
I postulated a long time ago how I thought the Night Below box was written with FR in mind - aside from the fact that it is recommended for it right on the 1st page. There is a 'High Moor' nearby, and is the perfect location for a Rockseer back-story (Green-Elven Miyeritar survivors who followed their dark brothers undergriound). Also, the only setting wherein the term 'night Below' is ever used (in a novel, IIRC) is FR.
Lord Karsus ran with that in his Elven Netbook project. 
Interesting---I might have to give that project a look to see what someone else has done with it. Personally, I really liked the backstory on the sub-race that was in NB: descendants of elves who shrank from battle and ran underground to hide, when Araushnee and Corellon went at it back around -30,000 DR. Though of course they could have simply made up that history for themselves for some masochistic reason...  . I just thought there was so much neat potential for the kind of vindication/redemption stories I like  , especially with the irony of how staunchly fight-to-the-death these descendants of cowards became. They just had such a great sense of tragic, stuck-in-the-past self-flagellation contrasted with what they really are "nowadays"....lol. |
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Jakk
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 06 May 2010 : 02:39:13
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Originally posted by Markustay
<snip>Next stupid question for me - while Wizbro was so busy 'correcting' FR for 4e, why didn't they finally correct the biggest mistake of all - and put Ten-towns BACK into the Demon lands/Bloodstone lands (North east) where it belonged?
Hell, if terrain could shift between dimensions, why can't it shift a thousand miles or so on the same planet?
It would save Entreri a lot of walking, and RAS could have all his toys (except for Cleric Quintet) in one toybox. It would also finally make that area a little more interesting (all that unexplained crap above Narfell would finally have some meaning).
Not a rant - just saddened by an opportunity missed.
I agree... and if not for the fact that I would have to change my maps (with what cartographic talent?), I would probably do just that.
But then, I suppose that's why you put quotes around 'correcting'... |
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Jakk
Great Reader
Canada
2165 Posts |
Posted - 06 May 2010 : 02:44:14
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Oh... speaking of changing maps, MT... here's a stupid question of my own...
Do you have your homebrew Realms mapped out? I know you moved Thay and put the City of Greyhawk in the SoFS (among other changes, I'm sure), but I wasn't sure from that how much you had changed the physical geography...
So... do you have tweaked maps to share, and are you willing to do so? If not (on either count), I understand... and perhaps a "no" to the first question might inspire you to get back into the mapping arena...  |
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Alystra Illianniis
Great Reader
USA
3750 Posts |
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Brimstone
Great Reader
USA
3290 Posts |
Posted - 06 May 2010 : 04:40:05
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"These things also I have observed: that knowledge of our world is
to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
Alaundo of Candlekeep |
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Jakk
Great Reader
Canada
2165 Posts |
Posted - 06 May 2010 : 23:43:18
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Pazuzu
OK, my stupid questions:
What is the Thunderblessing?
Why to change Lathander to Amarauth?
The Thunder Blessing was described in the 3E FRCS. Basicly, it was Moradin's blessing upon the dwarves, causing their birthrate to dramaticly increase.
The idea is that Lathander and Amaunator are different aspect of a tripartite sun deity, one that slowly shifts over time from one deity to the next. So Lathander -- dawn -- gave way to Amaunator, noon.
It's not a concept I like. 
Nor I, Wooly... but I've commented on my breaking of the cycle in another scroll... hopefully I'll remember to come back here and put in a link once I find it...  |
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Sill Alias
Senior Scribe
Kazakhstan
588 Posts |
Posted - 08 May 2010 : 03:28:48
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Okay, forget about my previous question.
What people have something that looks like a modern wedding dress? |
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Laerrigan
Learned Scribe
USA
195 Posts |
Posted - 08 May 2010 : 03:49:05
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Originally posted by Sill Alias
Okay, forget about my previous question.
What people have something that looks like a modern wedding dress?
I'm sure it depends on how "modern" a style you mean (and of course what part of the world). There are some modern Western wedding dresses that bear strong resemblance to medieval or Rennaissance European dresses. I'd imagine Cormyr might have something like this, unless it's been stated otherwise elsewhere. Probably almost anywhere in the Realms where you might want to place such dresses would work, unless they have different symbolism of color, veils, etc.
Oh yeah, back to the original question for this thread and some discussion that followed....FAMILIARS. Are they actually supposed to die in the natural course of life/time? I always assumed they live as long as their master unless killed. |
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Sill Alias
Senior Scribe
Kazakhstan
588 Posts |
Posted - 08 May 2010 : 03:52:04
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Don't know about outsiders, but animals...
It is depressing. Next question: If elf will be dyed in black color, can he mask as the drow for the time being? |
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Alystra Illianniis
Great Reader
USA
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36965 Posts |
Posted - 08 May 2010 : 04:24:41
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Originally posted by Sill Alias
Okay, forget about my previous question.
What people have something that looks like a modern wedding dress?
Modern people.
Seriously, I would imagine that only the wealthier folks would buy the big fancy wear-it-just-one-time dress. Common folk would prolly use either the newest clothes they have, or maybe outfits saved for particular holy days and festivals. |
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Sill Alias
Senior Scribe
Kazakhstan
588 Posts |
Posted - 08 May 2010 : 04:26:07
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36965 Posts |
Posted - 08 May 2010 : 04:26:34
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Originally posted by Laerrigan
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Originally posted by Sill Alias
Okay, forget about my previous question.
What people have something that looks like a modern wedding dress?
I'm sure it depends on how "modern" a style you mean (and of course what part of the world). There are some modern Western wedding dresses that bear strong resemblance to medieval or Rennaissance European dresses. I'd imagine Cormyr might have something like this, unless it's been stated otherwise elsewhere. Probably almost anywhere in the Realms where you might want to place such dresses would work, unless they have different symbolism of color, veils, etc.
Oh yeah, back to the original question for this thread and some discussion that followed....FAMILIARS. Are they actually supposed to die in the natural course of life/time? I always assumed they live as long as their master unless killed.
I would assume they live as long as their master. Many critters that can become familiars live for a few years, at best -- which would seriously inconvenience wizards, if they had to summon a new one every few years. |
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Laerrigan
Learned Scribe
USA
195 Posts |
Posted - 08 May 2010 : 05:37:34
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Seriously, I would imagine that only the wealthier folks would buy the big fancy wear-it-just-one-time dress. Common folk would prolly use either the newest clothes they have, or maybe outfits saved for particular holy days and festivals.
Yeah, I was actually thinking of nobility or at least wealthy merchant class, myself---I didn't really consider those lowly commoner types. 'Cause only the rich and beautiful are worth reading or RPing, ya know. And, of course, a one-time dress like that can always be re-tailored into just a fine gown for wearing to upperclass functions and such, if they don't want to keep it and hand it down. Recycling... |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31799 Posts |
Posted - 08 May 2010 : 05:51:14
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Originally posted by Sill Alias
What people have something that looks like a modern wedding dress?
I think it would depend on the faith of either the participants or the clergy involved in officiating the wedding ceremony.
For example Ed, in the past, has told us that the two individuals being wed in a Sharessin ceremony "are clad only in open mesh cloaks (scraps of fishing nets are often used) ... " |
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Alystra Illianniis
Great Reader
USA
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31799 Posts |
Posted - 08 May 2010 : 06:04:02
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Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis
*Eyes popping* Wow. So, it's kind of like a Betazoid wedding on ST: TNG?! *Titters wickedly* Sign me up!
I like the fact that Ed also later adds something like "regardless of whether/climate -- the wedding itself must be performed outdoors."
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Laerrigan
Learned Scribe
USA
195 Posts |
Posted - 08 May 2010 : 06:13:54
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Now that's dedication. "JUST GET TO THE 'I DO'!!!"
Come on, Alystra, you know it's not only the rich and beautiful who get married.... |
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Sill Alias
Senior Scribe
Kazakhstan
588 Posts |
Posted - 08 May 2010 : 07:16:37
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You can hear many tales from many mouths. The most difficult is to know which of them are not lies. - Sill Alias
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xaviera
Learned Scribe
Canada
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Posted - 09 May 2010 : 23:32:21
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Originally posted by The Sage
For example Ed, in the past, has told us that the two individuals being wed in a Sharessin ceremony "are clad only in open mesh cloaks (scraps of fishing nets are often used) ... "
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I like the fact that Ed also later adds something like "regardless of whether/climate -- the wedding itself must be performed outdoors."
So is the consummation, and rather hurriedly, at that. Which probably goes a long way toward explaining those mesh cloaks...
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 10 May 2010 : 01:28:06
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Originally posted by xaviera
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Originally posted by The Sage
For example Ed, in the past, has told us that the two individuals being wed in a Sharessin ceremony "are clad only in open mesh cloaks (scraps of fishing nets are often used) ... "
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I like the fact that Ed also later adds something like "regardless of whether/climate -- the wedding itself must be performed outdoors."
So is the consummation, and rather hurriedly, at that. Which probably goes a long way toward explaining those mesh cloaks...
Indeed. As Ed has noted previously:-
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... and (through love and rising passion, aided by Sharessan spells) rush together, to consummate the wedding on the spot. Yes, that means the happy couple physically engage in lovemaking, side by side with their two messenger-cats, and all of the attending Sharessan clergy (plus any guests).
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Dinnin
Seeker
Australia
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Posted - 10 May 2010 : 05:17:16
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Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis
I would assume that some elves have tried this. In fact, surface elven followers of Eilistraee often do dye their skin black when on a Hunt. Of course, it might also work the other way around, if a drow wanted to infiltrate an elven community. But it would be harder to find a dye heavy enough to lighten their skin and still look natural.
There is actually a race of drow i read about that have fair skin. somone correct me if im wrong. |
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Sill Alias
Senior Scribe
Kazakhstan
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Posted - 10 May 2010 : 06:04:48
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| Do you mean albino drow? They have a skin of moon elf color, but their eyes are red and hair are white or silver. Drow of the Underdark 3ed. Or was it 3.5? |
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Laerrigan
Learned Scribe
USA
195 Posts |
Posted - 11 May 2010 : 02:38:12
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Originally posted by Markustay RE: Rockseer elves in Night Below
Not sure why they went with 'taller' for a subterranean sub-species - doesn't make much sense - I would use them but shrink them down quite a bit (at least Drow size, if not smaller).
I suddenly had a thought about that point---maybe cave creatures in real life were the inspiration for the extremely tall/thin appearance? I'm imagining the kind of white, spidery things that crawl on cave walls and floor and in cave waters. Long-limbed, and I seem to recall some kinds of cave bugs that get quite big....Long limbs and antennae to reach as far out as possible for sensing without eyes. Of course, rockseers wouldn't need that kind of sensing, but maybe the long, graceful, but slightly creepy aesthetics carried over in the mind of someone involved in writing/designing....Considering their abilities for moving through rock, I don't think they'd be quite as inconvenienced by height in small passages as other creatures might be. |
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Sill Alias
Senior Scribe
Kazakhstan
588 Posts |
Posted - 11 May 2010 : 06:59:25
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| Stupid question: have you ever looked at the folklore from the position of FR? |
You can hear many tales from many mouths. The most difficult is to know which of them are not lies. - Sill Alias
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Elfinblade
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 11 May 2010 : 08:44:18
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Originally posted by Sill Alias
Stupid question: have you ever looked at the folklore from the position of FR?
I'm not quite sure i understand your meaning. Could you reformulate your question please? |
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Sill Alias
Senior Scribe
Kazakhstan
588 Posts |
Posted - 11 May 2010 : 09:30:44
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| Have you ever looked at the fairytale and said "Stupid heroes... They failed their wisdom check." or thought what kind of dragon that was, metallic or chromatic. |
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Stupid question time...
