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Razz
Senior Scribe
USA
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 Posted - 06 Apr 2010 : 03:22:06
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I haven't been here in sometime, but it feels like neither has the awesome cartographer of the Realms, MarkusTay, either. Has something happened to him? I haven't seen a map update or new map in a long period of time. There were some maps I'd like to request.
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Patrakis
Learned Scribe
Canada
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Posted - 06 Apr 2010 : 04:00:26
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THe 4E realms took a toll on many members of the community. I think Markus is in that lot. I was also a fellow cartographer that kind of took a dive and is slowly loosing interest after 25 years as a follower.
But i'm sure Markus will stop by to expose his reasons himself.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 06 Apr 2010 : 04:36:23
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Markus last visited these halls back in December. I've not seen or heard from him since that time.
I don't frequent the Wizards boards as much as I used to. Has he been active over there at all?
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Brimstone
Great Reader
USA
3290 Posts |
Posted - 06 Apr 2010 : 05:03:46
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| Nope. Last I heard he is more focused on his homebrew. I sent him a PM in December when he was last here. No response. So I guess he would like to be left alone. So I will respect his wishes. I do miss his wit. |
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Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
USA
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Knight of the Gate
Senior Scribe
USA
624 Posts |
Posted - 06 Apr 2010 : 07:27:57
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Alisttair
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 07 Apr 2010 : 12:56:58
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I miss seeing new maps by Markus  |
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Jakk
Great Reader
Canada
2165 Posts |
Posted - 08 Apr 2010 : 00:12:26
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| As do I... I still hope that he will complete the last corners of Kara-Tur and Zakhara on his mega-map, then provide it to Alaundo for hosting at the 'Keep... but that hope is fading steadily. |
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HandsomeRob
Seeker
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Posted - 08 Apr 2010 : 16:51:31
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Jakk - I'm working on it. I wouldn't try to step on Markus' toes if it weren't apparent to me that there will be no more work coming from him. But I'm putting together a master Toril map from every available source, and it's going pretty fast. I expect to have something done before the end of summer. The style will be similar to the Zakhara and Chult maps I posted earlier.
I hope that will suffice, or at least help to fill the void left after Markus' departure from the scene.
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Hoondatha
Great Reader
USA
2450 Posts |
Posted - 08 Apr 2010 : 18:35:00
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| Considering how much I love your Zakhara map, I'm eagerly looking forward to this one. |
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Hawkins
Great Reader
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Posted - 08 Apr 2010 : 19:08:27
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| Yeah, I know usually just lurk anymore unless there is a 3.5/PFRPG rules or pre-4e lore related question I think I can help with. |
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HandsomeRob
Seeker
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Posted - 08 Apr 2010 : 21:37:40
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Originally posted by Hoondatha
Considering how much I love your Zakhara map, I'm eagerly looking forward to this one.
Unfortunately that one is out of date now, as I have found a really good source detailing the "Yikarian Empire" in the land of the Yak-Men that contains a bunch of new placenames. They're going on the new version though.
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Hoondatha
Great Reader
USA
2450 Posts |
Posted - 08 Apr 2010 : 22:12:19
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| I look forward to seeing the latest version then. What's the new source? I'm thinking of maybe starting a Zakhara campaign for my group, and it could come in really handy. |
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HandsomeRob
Seeker
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Posted - 09 Apr 2010 : 14:26:33
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Originally posted by Hoondatha
I look forward to seeing the latest version then. What's the new source? I'm thinking of maybe starting a Zakhara campaign for my group, and it could come in really handy.
It's "Lands of the Yak-Men," by Wolfgang Baur, in Dragon Magazine #241. It's a pretty good article - rather amazing that it wasn't included in any of the Al-Qadim products.
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GRYPHON
Senior Scribe
USA
527 Posts |
Posted - 09 Apr 2010 : 14:30:59
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Jakk
Great Reader
Canada
2165 Posts |
Posted - 10 Apr 2010 : 01:58:27
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I agree, Gryphon... still, I am intrigued by HandsomeRob's project.
Rob: Good news! I love the cartography on the Zakhara map, btw! And (the big question) are you using 1E/2E or 3E geography? My guess (and, to some extent, hope) is that you're using 1E/2E geography; almost all the big maps (with the exception of Dragon magazine's four-part enlargement of the 3E FRCS map) are from 1E/2E, and it's less messy to add in Kara-Tur and Zakhara that way.
Funny how a scroll about MarkusTay inevitably becomes a scroll about Realms cartography... I think his mapping skills may have overshadowed some of his other talents; his Realmslore contributions and questions were always profound and thought-provoking, even in Ed's estimation from what I've read in those earlier scrolls.
Anyway, Rob, I look forward to seeing your work on the rest of the Realms, and I know this is a tall order, but I hope it to be as detailed and location-rich as MT's map promised to be. I'll try to be patient...  |
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HandsomeRob
Seeker
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Posted - 12 Apr 2010 : 14:34:37
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My project is conceptually nothing more than an extension of MarkusTay's work. I've based everything I could off the work he's already done, and just patched in the missing areas and changed the style a bit. So the geography should be compatible with 1E/2E - although I've included a great deal of 3E-era information as well.
The Dragon Magazine 4-part map is one of the few sources I don't currently have access to. Are there a lot of places on it that can't be found elsewhere?
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bitter thorn
Learned Scribe
USA
184 Posts |
Posted - 13 Apr 2010 : 03:28:37
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Originally posted by HawkinstheDM
Yeah, I know usually just lurk anymore unless there is a 3.5/PFRPG rules or pre-4e lore related question I think I can help with.
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coach
Senior Scribe
USA
479 Posts |
Posted - 13 Apr 2010 : 03:38:28
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does anyone have markus email, we were gonna start a huge project together involving sossal
handsome rob, when you are ready to make a Cold Lands/Bloodstone Lands map, PM me, i have a gigantic outline of all the mappable places in those countries, all canon but many not found on many of the main maps |
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Jakk
Great Reader
Canada
2165 Posts |
Posted - 16 Apr 2010 : 03:59:37
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Originally posted by HandsomeRob
My project is conceptually nothing more than an extension of MarkusTay's work. I've based everything I could off the work he's already done, and just patched in the missing areas and changed the style a bit. So the geography should be compatible with 1E/2E - although I've included a great deal of 3E-era information as well.
The Dragon Magazine 4-part map is one of the few sources I don't currently have access to. Are there a lot of places on it that can't be found elsewhere?
-Rob
Sadly, no; it's essentially just an enlargement of the FRCS map. The greatest single source for places not on other maps is probably the Forgotten Realms Atlas by the late Karen Wynn Fonstad. I expect that it's out of print, but it's probably available at places like nobleknightgames.com and other used/OOP resellers. The Forgotten Realms Interactive Atlas is also a good source, if you can find it, and I believe it's rather pricey at the best of times. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 16 Apr 2010 : 04:14:07
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Originally posted by Jakk
Sadly, no; it's essentially just an enlargement of the FRCS map. The greatest single source for places not on other maps is probably the Forgotten Realms Atlas by the late Karen Wynn Fonstad. I expect that it's out of print, but it's probably available at places like nobleknightgames.com and other used/OOP resellers.
It's been out of print for a very long time -- it was out of print when I got my first copy in the mid 90's.
I see it on eBay from time to time, usually at a reasonable price.
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Originally posted by Jakk
The Forgotten Realms Interactive Atlas is also a good source, if you can find it, and I believe it's rather pricey at the best of times.
It was a great bit of software that they unfortunately decided to sell before PCs were widespread enough to support the market. It was '98 or '99 when I got my copy on the cheap from the Mail Order Hobby Shop. I think that if they'd waited until 2000 or so to release the software, it would have sold much better.
I see it on eBay from time to time, as well -- almost always for prices that make me glad I'm not trying to buy it!  |
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HandsomeRob
Seeker
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Posted - 16 Apr 2010 : 14:31:06
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Originally posted by JakkThe greatest single source for places not on other maps is probably the Forgotten Realms Atlas by the late Karen Wynn Fonstad. I expect that it's out of print, but it's probably available at places like nobleknightgames.com and other used/OOP resellers. The Forgotten Realms Interactive Atlas is also a good source, if you can find it, and I believe it's rather pricey at the best of times.
I happen to have both of those, but thanks anyway!
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Jakk
Great Reader
Canada
2165 Posts |
Posted - 16 Apr 2010 : 21:40:44
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Originally posted by HandsomeRob
I happen to have both of those, but thanks anyway!
-Rob
Good to hear; it means you don't need to go through the ordeal of finding them. |
Playing in the Realms since the Old Grey Box (1987)... and *still* having fun with material published before 2008, despite the NDA'd lore.
If it's comparable in power with non-magical abilities, it's not magic. |
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Brimstone
Great Reader
USA
3290 Posts |
Posted - 29 Apr 2010 : 20:03:37
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| Bump...Markustay sighting today. |
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to be nurtured like a precious flower, for it is the most precious
thing we have. Wherefore guard the word written and heed
words unwritten and set them down ere they fade . . . Learn
then, well, the arts of reading, writing, and listening true, and they
will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
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Markustay
Realms Explorer extraordinaire
USA
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Posted - 29 Apr 2010 : 21:16:57
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LOL 
quote:
Originally posted by HandsomeRob
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Originally posted by JakkThe greatest single source for places not on other maps is probably the Forgotten Realms Atlas by the late Karen Wynn Fonstad. I expect that it's out of print, but it's probably available at places like nobleknightgames.com and other used/OOP resellers. The Forgotten Realms Interactive Atlas is also a good source, if you can find it, and I believe it's rather pricey at the best of times.
I happen to have both of those, but thanks anyway!
-Rob
There are things in that Atlas that show up nowhere else, like the lake in the Trollmoor. Ed said those maps were taken directly from his own originals, and represent THE most accurate set of maps in regards to his original Realms. I use that source to correct any discrepancies between the various edition maps. It is the 'final say', always.  |
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Brimstone
Great Reader
USA
3290 Posts |
Posted - 29 Apr 2010 : 21:19:25
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| So is this the Where is Waldo scroll now? |
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will lead you to the greatest art of all: understanding."
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Dalor Darden
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 29 Apr 2010 : 23:27:11
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| Its good to see the "face" of the fella. |
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Darkmeer
Senior Scribe
USA
505 Posts |
Posted - 29 Apr 2010 : 23:44:58
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MarkusTay! It's wonderful to see you in these fine halls. Sit and stay awhile, it's so nice to see you again!
Perhaps we'll talk geography with HandsomeRob for Osse, if you have a few minutes to devote?
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sfdragon
Great Reader
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Posted - 30 Apr 2010 : 01:02:29
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| It is a real honor to have Markustay back in the hallowed Halls of Candlekeep |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Jorkens
Great Reader
Norway
2950 Posts |
Posted - 30 Apr 2010 : 08:23:14
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Good to see you back.
Said the man of many words. |
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What happened to MarkusTay?
