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MrHedgehog
Senior Scribe
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 Posted - 03 Dec 2009 : 05:54:56
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Where would you place and in what numbers various creatures not firmly described?
For example, Diirinka is an Intermediate God...but the only mention of Derro i've seen is one city and a few percent of the population of Gracklstugh. But they must be similarly numerous to Duergar since their deity is also an intermediate power, no?
Titans, cloud giants, lamassu, shedu, and storm giants as well. The only good powerful creatures that are very often described seem to be dragons, unicorns and coutl. Is this because these other beings don't exist in large numbers, or is it just because they're good so not an opponent for PCs and so not described?
Also i've wondered if Demihuman deities power levels are calculated differently. Is Correlon a greater power based on his worship in Toril in the same way Sune's is? Or does his being in the Elven pantheon change things. (or is it because he's worshiped in other worlds, as well? Is his power different in each world? Except that in On Hallowed Ground Loviatar is described as a demipower in general, and only a lesser power in the Forgotten Realms crystal sphere)
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Cleric Generic
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
565 Posts |
Posted - 03 Dec 2009 : 14:03:24
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I would imagine that number of worshippers is one of many factors contributing to a gods power level. Diirinka, being the sole patron of the Derro, may enjoy a much closer tie to his worshippers, gaining more than the usual sustainance from it, the Derro may worship more fervently within that close relationship, upping the input even more, getting into stuff like mass blood sacrifice, etc, etc.
You could also easily imagine that any given god has more or less inherent power than average by virtue of their own age, wisdom and general achievements and aquisitions unrelated to their worshippers; basically they may be more or less well established in the divine realm regardless of worshippers.
As for the place of goodly beasts and creatures, I imagine there's less attention payed to them in the books because the PCs will spend less time (presumably) beating them up. Also, in keeping with the PC-centric world-in-need-of-heroes assumption generally made by DnD, the 'good-guys' are probably very few and far between. |
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Quale
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 03 Dec 2009 : 20:08:31
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power levels of most demihuman and monstrous deities don't make much sense
Correlon is a greater power based on the number of worhippers (and few other factors) in Realmspace (crystal sphere) |
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Cleric Generic
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
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Posted - 03 Dec 2009 : 20:24:39
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Another thoery for the apparent lack of good creatures; perhapse they are in hiding and/or working in secret. A five legged cow with a dudes head (Sheddu, i think) would tend to stant out a bit, and most evil beasties would probably pay good money for it's head as a conversation piece. Thus, if they are without a large support infrastructure (like a militant human church) behind them, they're not going to wander around waving flags at the enemy. So on and so forth.
I think everything you list above is extraplanar as well, except the giants, so they may only be witnessed by mortal eyes when sent to or summoned by worshippers of their associated god. Cloud and Storm giants all hang out in cloud castles, and the like, as i recall, so you wouldn't see them unless you look hard for them anyway.
As for deity power levels (that is, intermediate, greater, etc) I don't think it makes much difference beyond rules minutae, so you're probably safe in dropping them when they get in the way if it's not worth the effort of coming up with some in-setting reason for the discrepency.
Also, cheers for mentioning Derro, I shall now torment my PCs with them now >:) |
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MrHedgehog
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 04 Dec 2009 : 08:56:36
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AND FLUMPH.
There should be a flumph city somewhere.
I actually just checked Giantcraft (after not looking at it for a long long time) and it said there are at least 500 of each breed in the Realms. Which would presumably include Storm Giants and Titans. |
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froglegg
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 13 Dec 2009 : 02:38:46
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Fear the Flumph!
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Cleric Generic
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
565 Posts |
Posted - 13 Dec 2009 : 15:16:21
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quote:
Originally posted by MrHedgehog
AND FLUMPH.
There should be a flumph city somewhere.
I actually just checked Giantcraft (after not looking at it for a long long time) and it said there are at least 500 of each breed in the Realms. Which would presumably include Storm Giants and Titans.
Sounds about right to me. 500 titans is quite a few, even if you scatter then all over Toril; they're pretty bad-ass in 3rd ed (cr20, as I recall), and similarly so in previous editions I assume. I'm sure we can come up with all sorts of exotic locales to hide out in, as well as extraplanar galavanting... I'm sure I read that they're extraplanar somewhere, althoug it would't be the first time my imagination overrode reality...
Also, we must write up a Flumph city. |
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MrHedgehog
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 14 Dec 2009 : 05:40:35
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| I know there is an Ecology of the Flumph in a Dragon magazine, but i've never been able to get access to it </3 |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 14 Dec 2009 : 11:14:28
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Originally posted by MrHedgehog
I know there is an Ecology of the Flumph in a Dragon magazine, but i've never been able to get access to it </3
Dragon 246. I believe that was one of the Society of Monster Hunter ones, which I really enjoyed.  |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 14 Dec 2009 : 13:57:03
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by MrHedgehog
I know there is an Ecology of the Flumph in a Dragon magazine, but i've never been able to get access to it </3
Dragon 246. I believe that was one of the Society of Monster Hunter ones, which I really enjoyed.
There was a copy floating around nobleknight.com not to long ago, Hedgehog, if you're interested.
There were actually two, but I recently purchased a copy for a friend -- specifically because of the Society of Monster Hunter content. |
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