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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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 Posted - 24 Oct 2009 : 00:37:04
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Originally posted by Afromania
Grr this is so annoying, can't find "The Ghost King" anywhere in my country.
To Amazon, or not to Amazon? That is the question.
Well, I've had reliable service from US Amazon, and I'm all the way over in Australia. Depending on where you are, I can only imagine you'll face somewhat lesser shipping fees than I do.  |
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Zeffaniah
Acolyte
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Posted - 24 Oct 2009 : 01:31:32
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I have bad experiences when it comes to Amazon.com - could've been any other online bookstore aswell I guess though.
My wifey bought me the Time Of Troubles books at amazon.com directly from the US. Sadly, when they arrived and I unpacked them, we saw, that they had been cut into with a knife and a few pages were missing, although it said on the web, that the books were all new :(
I guess/hope I was unlucky to have ordered from a book store, where the owner thought, that I wouldn't bother shipping them back after they'd been sent all the way to Denmark. Well he was right :)
Any of you know some good book stores in the US or Canada?
I need to order some core 3.5 books since my own are far to well worn now :)
Have a nice weekend all of you. |
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Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
USA
3247 Posts |
Posted - 25 Oct 2009 : 01:42:11
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
A better question would be what has Elminster not vanquished?
A tarrasque? |
I actually DO know everything. I just have a very poor index of my knowledge.
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Zanan
Senior Scribe
Germany
942 Posts |
Posted - 25 Oct 2009 : 10:19:20
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| Drizzt is a novel character, no matter whom he faces or whom he beats. If the author decides he slays a white dragon, a marilith and a balor twice, while nearly succumbing to a sneaky yeti, so be it. In 3.5E game terms, while he is wading through orc warriors (i.e. the NPC class), he doesn't stand a chance to a marilith or a balor no matter how his luck runs. He's better off against the latter in AD&D, when most novels were written, as a fighter 17 (as he was when leaving Menzo) was (on a good day) up to the challenge of said monsters. But as I said, he will rise and fall as the author deems it and since this character is one of the drawing horses of FR novel-book sellings (and thus possibly acquiring new gamers to the Realms), he (i.e. the author) is essentially scot-free with his hero. |
Cave quid dicis, quando et cui!
Gæð a wyrd swa hio scel!
In memory of Alura Durshavin.
Visit my "Homepage" to find A Guide to the Drow NPCs of Faerûn, Drow and non-Drow PrC and much more. |
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BEAST
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 25 Oct 2009 : 16:42:42
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Originally posted by Zanan
Drizzt is a novel character, no matter whom he faces or whom he beats. If the author decides he slays a white dragon, a marilith and a balor twice, while nearly succumbing to a sneaky yeti, so be it. In 3.5E game terms, while he is wading through orc warriors (i.e. the NPC class), he doesn't stand a chance to a marilith or a balor no matter how his luck runs. He's better off against the latter in AD&D, when most novels were written, as a fighter 17 (as he was when leaving Menzo) was (on a good day) up to the challenge of said monsters. But as I said, he will rise and fall as the author deems it and since this character is one of the drawing horses of FR novel-book sellings (and thus possibly acquiring new gamers to the Realms), he (i.e. the author) is essentially scot-free with his hero.
Bah, in the RW, warriors have taken out trucks, tanks, choppers, and even entire buildings, only to be done in, themselves, by a single well-placed puny .223-caliber bullet that caught them off guard.
Sure, sometimes I roll my eyes and mumble, "Shah, right!" like others, but I do try to keep it all in perspective.
Weird schtuff happens in battle. It always has. |
"'You don't know my history,' he said dryly."
--Drizzt Do'Urden (The Pirate King, Part 1: Chapter 2)
<"Comprehensive Chronology of R.A. Salvatore Forgotten Realms Works"> |
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Zanan
Senior Scribe
Germany
942 Posts |
Posted - 25 Oct 2009 : 17:03:04
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Originally posted by BEAST
quote:
Originally posted by Zanan
Drizzt is a novel character, no matter whom he faces or whom he beats. If the author decides he slays a white dragon, a marilith and a balor twice, while nearly succumbing to a sneaky yeti, so be it. In 3.5E game terms, while he is wading through orc warriors (i.e. the NPC class), he doesn't stand a chance to a marilith or a balor no matter how his luck runs. He's better off against the latter in AD&D, when most novels were written, as a fighter 17 (as he was when leaving Menzo) was (on a good day) up to the challenge of said monsters. But as I said, he will rise and fall as the author deems it and since this character is one of the drawing horses of FR novel-book sellings (and thus possibly acquiring new gamers to the Realms), he (i.e. the author) is essentially scot-free with his hero.
Bah, in the RW, warriors have taken out trucks, tanks, choppers, and even entire buildings, only to be done in, themselves, by a single well-placed puny .223-caliber bullet that caught them off guard.
Sure, sometimes I roll my eyes and mumble, "Shah, right!" like others, but I do try to keep it all in perspective.
Weird schtuff happens in battle. It always has.
Oh yes, the Real World is different. It has no magic, but people like Simo "the White Death" Häyhä.* Still, the author did stretch even D&D-reality to breaking point when having Drizzt face up to the marilith and that balor twice. (Neither of which, AFAIK, used any of their more destructive magics.)
* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simo_H%C3%A4yh%C3%A4 |
Cave quid dicis, quando et cui!
Gæð a wyrd swa hio scel!
In memory of Alura Durshavin.
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Afromania
Acolyte
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Posted - 27 Oct 2009 : 14:01:28
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Ww Zanan, this Simo is CRAZY!
My next RP char will have his name :)
Crazy crazy guy...
Where's the movies about that one?
Or books?! |
"He's going after Obould. All by himself," Bruenor growled.
"I would not want to be Obould, then," the halfling said with a grin |
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Afromania
Acolyte
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Posted - 27 Oct 2009 : 14:03:14
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Oh by the way, gonna finish "Road of the Patriarch" soon, I hope the ending explains what I've read in "The Pirate King" - it was all so weird (not to mention the evil guy didn't die >.>).
Then Elminster (already have the books) - still can't find "The Ghost King", but I also must admit that I'm not such a big fan of that specific crystal shard and that specific story-line.
Move on Salvatore, please.
I'd love seeing Drizzt battling Lloth's minions, or herself, more often.
Dark elves are just much more scary when it comes to plotting.
Entreri VS Drizzt Round 100 would be awesome too.
Or finally understanding everything about Jarlaxle. That one is almost as fun as Raistlin from DL. |
"He's going after Obould. All by himself," Bruenor growled.
"I would not want to be Obould, then," the halfling said with a grin |
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Kiaransalyn
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
762 Posts |
Posted - 27 Oct 2009 : 14:16:17
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Originally posted by Afromania
Ww Zanan, this Simo is CRAZY!
My next RP char will have his name :)
Crazy crazy guy...
Where's the movies about that one?
Or books?!
There's nothing crazy about defending your homeland against an invader. As he said himself, "I did what I was told to do."
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Zanan
Senior Scribe
Germany
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Posted - 27 Oct 2009 : 14:17:18
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| Afromania ... try reading books by Kemp,Cunningham and the like before asking for more of the same of RAS. There are a dozen more authors of FR novels about. Do also give a try to the War of the Spider Queen series and I think you will soon come to like Valas Hune more than the scimitar-wielder. |
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Afromania
Acolyte
32 Posts |
Posted - 29 Oct 2009 : 01:33:24
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Oh i intend to read much more!
It just that Drizzt is a character i grew up with ^_^
And I must admit I dislike Drizzt's philosophy (or that of RAS if Drizzt speaks for him), but the books are great nonetheless.
I'm starting Elminster right now (literally, gonna start RIGHT NOW) after finishing "Road of the Patriarch".
Must admit I'm surprised by how it all turned out, was hoping to see even more of Entreri and Jarlaxle but I'm guessing 'The Ghost King" has part for at least Jarlaxle and the good dwarf :)
Must get me a copy of that.
As for "War of the Spiderqueen" I do have RAS's book somewhere (the first of the series to my understanding?) so if it's as good as the rest I'll probably read the whole series, but Elminster comes first - i have a wizard fetish and one that has not been sated since Raistlin's poke in "War of the Souls".
Which reminds me i need to buy Mina's last book as well, bahhh...so much to read - ye dig? |
"He's going after Obould. All by himself," Bruenor growled.
"I would not want to be Obould, then," the halfling said with a grin |
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Firestorm
Senior Scribe
Canada
826 Posts |
Posted - 29 Oct 2009 : 11:58:09
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Originally posted by Afromania
Oh i intend to read much more!
It just that Drizzt is a character i grew up with ^_^
And I must admit I dislike Drizzt's philosophy (or that of RAS if Drizzt speaks for him), but the books are great nonetheless.
I'm starting Elminster right now (literally, gonna start RIGHT NOW) after finishing "Road of the Patriarch".
Must admit I'm surprised by how it all turned out, was hoping to see even more of Entreri and Jarlaxle but I'm guessing 'The Ghost King" has part for at least Jarlaxle and the good dwarf :)
Must get me a copy of that.
As for "War of the Spiderqueen" I do have RAS's book somewhere (the first of the series to my understanding?) so if it's as good as the rest I'll probably read the whole series, but Elminster comes first - i have a wizard fetish and one that has not been sated since Raistlin's poke in "War of the Souls".
Which reminds me i need to buy Mina's last book as well, bahhh...so much to read - ye dig?
I hope you have an excellent base knowledge of DnD:)
Greenwood's books I found exceptionally difficult to read and understand until I immersed myself in forgotten realms lore(Because he never ever explains things and expects all readers to already know the lore) |
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Firestorm
Senior Scribe
Canada
826 Posts |
Posted - 29 Oct 2009 : 11:59:05
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Originally posted by Afromania
Oh i intend to read much more!
It just that Drizzt is a character i grew up with ^_^
And I must admit I dislike Drizzt's philosophy (or that of RAS if Drizzt speaks for him), but the books are great nonetheless.
I'm starting Elminster right now (literally, gonna start RIGHT NOW) after finishing "Road of the Patriarch".
Must admit I'm surprised by how it all turned out, was hoping to see even more of Entreri and Jarlaxle but I'm guessing 'The Ghost King" has part for at least Jarlaxle and the good dwarf :)
Must get me a copy of that.
As for "War of the Spiderqueen" I do have RAS's book somewhere (the first of the series to my understanding?) so if it's as good as the rest I'll probably read the whole series, but Elminster comes first - i have a wizard fetish and one that has not been sated since Raistlin's poke in "War of the Souls".
Which reminds me i need to buy Mina's last book as well, bahhh...so much to read - ye dig?
I hope you have an excellent base knowledge of DnD:)
Greenwood's books I found exceptionally difficult to read and understand until I immersed myself in forgotten realms lore(Because he never ever explains things and expects all readers to already know the lore) |
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Tyranthraxus
Senior Scribe
Netherlands
423 Posts |
Posted - 29 Oct 2009 : 12:26:22
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In 4e Drizzt is a level 21 ranger. His stats came with one of the DDI Character Builder updates.
Drizzt Do'Urden, level 21
Drow, Ranger, Blade Dancer, Redeemed Drow
Build: Two-Blade Ranger
Fighting Style: Two-Blade Fighting Style
Darkfire: Darkfire Wisdom
Background: Drow - Outcast (+2 to Dungeoneering)
FINAL ABILITY SCORES
Str 22, Con 15, Dex 24, Int 15, Wis 17, Cha 13.
STARTING ABILITY SCORES
Str 16, Con 13, Dex 16, Int 13, Wis 15, Cha 9.
AC: 33 Fort: 27 Reflex: 28 Will: 23
HP: 142 Surges: 8 Surge Value: 35
TRAINED SKILLS
Dungeoneering +20, Acrobatics +21, Perception +20, Nature +18, Stealth +23
UNTRAINED SKILLS
Arcana +12, Bluff +11, Diplomacy +11, Endurance +11, Heal +13, History +12, Insight +13, Intimidate +13, Religion +12, Streetwise +11, Thievery +16, Athletics +15
FEATS
Level 1: Agile Hunter
Level 2: Lethal Hunter
Level 4: Armor Proficiency (Chainmail)
Level 6: Two-Weapon Fighting
Level 8: Linguist
Level 10: Alertness
Level 11: Drow Heretic
Level 12: Preternatural Senses
Level 14: Heavy Blade Opportunity
Level 16: Two-Weapon Opening
Level 18: Two-Weapon Ambush
Level 20: Scimitar Dance
Level 21: Blind-Fight
POWERS
Ranger at-will 1: Circling Strike
Ranger at-will 1: Twin Strike
Ranger encounter 1: Hunter-Partner Strike
Ranger daily 1: Sudden Strike
Ranger utility 2: Unbalancing Parry
Ranger encounter 3: Paired Predators
Ranger daily 5: Two-Wolf Pounce
Ranger utility 6: Serpentine Dodge
Ranger encounter 7: Sweeping Whirlwind
Ranger daily 9: Swirling Leaves of Steel
Ranger utility 10: Undaunted Stride
Ranger encounter 13: Off-Hand Diversion (replaces Hunter-Partner Strike)
Ranger daily 15: Blade Cascade (replaces Sudden Strike)
Ranger utility 16: Longstrider
Ranger encounter 17: Blade and Fang (replaces Paired Predators)
Ranger daily 19: Threefold Assault (replaces Two-Wolf Pounce)
ITEMS
Agile Mithral Chainmail +5, Twinkle, Anklets of Speed, Guenhwyvar, Magic Dagger +2 (3), Mask of Disguise, Holy Symbol, Icingdeath
His latest stats can also be found in this month's Dungeon article Hero Battle: Drizzt
Drizzt Do’Urden Level 21 Solo Skirmisher
Medium fey humanoid, drow XP 16,000
Initiative +19 Senses Perception +18; darkvision, see
also blind-fighter
HP 764; Bloodied 382
AC 35; Fortitude 34, Reflex 35, Will 32
Saving Throws +5
Speed 7; see also undisturbed stride
Action Points 2
Twinkle (standard; at-will) Radiant, Weapon
+26 vs. AC; 2d8 + 13 damage (crit 22 + 3d8 + 5d10
radiant). Miss: 7 damage. Drizzt can change Twinkle’s
damage type to radiant as a free action.
Icingdeath (standard; at-will) Cold, Weapon
+26 vs. AC; 2d8 + 13 damage (crit 22 + 3d8 + 5d6 cold).
Miss: 7 damage. Drizzt can change Icingdeath’s damage type
to cold as a free action.
Taulmaril (standard; at-will) Force, Weapon
Ranged 20/40; targets two enemies; +24 vs. Reflex; 2d10 +
9 force damage (crit 29 + 5d6 force damage, and the target
is knocked prone).
Four-Fang Assault (standard; requires a weapon in each hand;
at-will) Weapon
Drizzt makes three melee basic attacks (no more than
two can be made with the same weapon), and he shifts 1
square before the first attack and after each attack. After
the attacks are made, Guenhwyvar shifts 1 square, and then
makes a melee attack as a free action.
Neutralizing Parry (immediate interrupt, when an enemy hits
Drizzt with a melee attack; at-will) Weapon
Drizzt makes a melee basic attack that deals half damage
on a hit, but on a hit, the target is also weakened and grants
combat advantage until the start of its next turn.
Spine of the World Avalanche (standard; requires a weapon
in each hand; recharge 4 5 6) Weapon
Drizzt makes up to five melee basic attacks, no more than
two attacks on the same target. On each hit, the target
is pushed 3 squares and knocked prone, and then Drizzt
shifts 3 squares.
Darkfire (minor; encounter)
Ranged 10; +24 vs. Reflex; until the end of Drizzt’s
next turn, the target grants combat advantage to all
attackers, and the target cannot benefit from invisibility or
concealment.
Cloud of Darkness (minor; encounter) Zone
Close burst 1; this power creates a zone of darkness that
remains in place until the end of Drizzt’s next turn. The
zone blocks line of sight for all creatures except Drizzt.
Any creature entirely within the area, except for Drizzt and
Guenhwyvar, is blinded.
Hunter’s Quarry (minor; at-will)
Drizzt designates his closest enemy as his quarry until the
end of the encounter or until he designates another quarry.
Once per round, on a hit, Drizzt can deal 3d8 extra damage
to his quarry.
Blind-Fighter
Enemies adjacent to Drizzt do not benefit from
concealment, total concealment, or invisibility.
Undisturbed Stride
When Drizzt shifts, he can shift 3 squares instead of 1
square and he ignores difficult terrain.
Alignment Good Languages Common, Dwarven, Elven, Goblin
Skills Acrobatics +22, Dungeoneering +18, Nature +18, Stealth +28
Str 22 (+16) Dex 24 (+17) Wis 17 (+13)
Con 15 (+12) Int 15 (+12) Cha 13 (+11)
Equipment +5 mithral chainmail, Twinkle (scimitar), Icingdeath
(scimitar), Taulmaril (longbow), +4 elven cloak, Guenhwyvar,
anklets of speed, mask of disguise, quivera
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Afromania
Acolyte
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Posted - 29 Oct 2009 : 13:19:18
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Thanks Tyran - definitely some interesting information here.
so 21 it is (and drow + 2?) that sounds much more like it!
As for EDG's books, I played DnD but not in the forgotten realms setting (DnD 3), so I hope I'll manage.
My question for "Elminster - the making of a mage" is this: It doesn't feel like the first book about Elminster.
By all accounts he is already a legend in the "background story" of that book (prelude at least since that's what I've read).
Is it like Drizzt when first he had "Icewind Dale" trilogy and only then "The Dark Elf"?
If so, where should I begin? I'm not too far into the first of his 5 books, but if there's another saga of him (even if he's just one of many main characters in it, like in icewind dale) i would love to know. |
"He's going after Obould. All by himself," Bruenor growled.
"I would not want to be Obould, then," the halfling said with a grin |
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goatunit
Acolyte
USA
31 Posts |
Posted - 29 Oct 2009 : 18:21:44
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The wording confuses me here:
Blind-Fighter
Enemies adjacent to Drizzt do not benefit from
concealment, total concealment, or invisibility.
A strict interpretation of that would benefit allies without blind-fighter as an ability also. |
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Tyranthraxus
Senior Scribe
Netherlands
423 Posts |
Posted - 29 Oct 2009 : 21:21:30
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Originally posted by Afromania
so 21 it is (and drow + 2?) that sounds much more like it!
In 4e there are no level adjustments for races like in 3e/3.5. But atleast he's epic now (although 4e goes up to level 30). |
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Sandro
Learned Scribe
New Zealand
266 Posts |
Posted - 30 Oct 2009 : 04:42:40
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quote:
Originally posted by Afromania
My question for "Elminster - the making of a mage" is this: It doesn't feel like the first book about Elminster.
By all accounts he is already a legend in the "background story" of that book (prelude at least since that's what I've read).
Is it like Drizzt when first he had "Icewind Dale" trilogy and only then "The Dark Elf"?
If so, where should I begin? I'm not too far into the first of his 5 books, but if there's another saga of him (even if he's just one of many main characters in it, like in icewind dale) i would love to know.
Don't worry -- Making of a Mage is definitely where you want to start with Elminster. The prelude takes place some time in the present Realms, but then it jumps back to sometime in the third century DR, and Elminster's youth, and goes from there.
The only other series where he's the main character (as I understand, I haven't read them) is the Shadow of the Avatar trilogy, set during the Time of Troubles.
He also, of course, appears in variously minor roles in far too many novels to mention. |
"Gods, little fishes, and spells to turn the one to the other," Mordenkainen sighed. "It's started already..." |
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Afromania
Acolyte
32 Posts |
Posted - 30 Oct 2009 : 23:01:16
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Thankee Sandro, so can I determine from what you said that the character Elminster existed before the 5 books about him went out? Was he some famed wizard mentioned in the realms before his own books came? Or maybe from the RPG books?
It just seems odd to me that a famous mage like himself has a story that actually starts from youth.
Raistin for example did not, nor Merlin or Gandalf for that matter. They all started in some fame (or exactly at the point they start climbing to that) and maybe then had their past recollections. |
"He's going after Obould. All by himself," Bruenor growled.
"I would not want to be Obould, then," the halfling said with a grin |
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Matt James
Forgotten Realms Game Designer
USA
918 Posts |
Posted - 31 Oct 2009 : 00:18:38
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| FYI: The stats in the character builder (for Drizzt) are not official nor recognized by anyone that I talked to (designers/developers). It was put in there from someone just to put it in. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36875 Posts |
Posted - 31 Oct 2009 : 03:41:00
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quote:
Originally posted by Matt James
FYI: The stats in the character builder (for Drizzt) are not official nor recognized by anyone that I talked to (designers/developers). It was put in there from someone just to put it in.
Wait, let me get this straight: WotC officially distributed something that was deliberately non-canon? |
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Sandro
Learned Scribe
New Zealand
266 Posts |
Posted - 31 Oct 2009 : 06:21:47
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quote:
Originally posted by Afromania
Thankee Sandro, so can I determine from what you said that the character Elminster existed before the 5 books about him went out? Was he some famed wizard mentioned in the realms before his own books came? Or maybe from the RPG books?
It just seems odd to me that a famous mage like himself has a story that actually starts from youth.
Raistin for example did not, nor Merlin or Gandalf for that matter. They all started in some fame (or exactly at the point they start climbing to that) and maybe then had their past recollections.
Aye, Elminster goes way back (back to Ed's original Realms, well before TSR existed to publish them) and has popped up in a great many novels (I believe the first was Spellfire, published in 1988), though he was not the main player until the Shadow of the Avatar trilogy. His first published appearance was in the 1e Forgotten Realms Campaign setting (Old Grey Box). More information can be found at http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Elminster_Aumar .
Incidentally, Raistlin's story is told from birth to death, starting with The Soulforge, continuing with Brothers in Arms, then Chronicles and Dragons of the Hourglass Mage, then Legends before finally on to his ultimate death in The War of Souls, augmented by various appearances in short stories. More information can be found at http://www.dlnexus.com/lexicon/13330.aspx . |
"Gods, little fishes, and spells to turn the one to the other," Mordenkainen sighed. "It's started already..." |
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Zeffaniah
Acolyte
30 Posts |
Posted - 31 Oct 2009 : 10:31:35
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Damn Sandro. I had for some time forgotten all about how much information some of you people in here holds - I am astounded lol.
This is really the place to get help on, and discuss realmslore by any means :)
Have a nice weekend all :) |
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Afromania
Acolyte
32 Posts |
Posted - 31 Oct 2009 : 20:48:43
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Sandro, Raistlin didn't start with the Soulforge - the first book published with him was the first chronicles series.
Later on they recreated his whole life story up to that point.
So as far as i can tell from your posts Elminster is similar in that, first he had his "glory" books published (dark avatar? didn't read but i will) and only then recreating his life-story. |
"He's going after Obould. All by himself," Bruenor growled.
"I would not want to be Obould, then," the halfling said with a grin |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31799 Posts |
Posted - 31 Oct 2009 : 23:47:01
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quote:
Originally posted by Afromania
Sandro, Raistlin didn't start with the Soulforge - the first book published with him was the first chronicles series.
Later on they recreated his whole life story up to that point.
I believe Sandro was referring to the fact that Raistlin's early years were detailed in The Soulforge. He was discussing the chronological order of the books, rather than their publication order. |
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Sandro
Learned Scribe
New Zealand
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Posted - 01 Nov 2009 : 02:32:18
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Indeed, I was referencing it chronologically, Afro. And yes, you're right -- he started out (in the published Realms) as a very Gandalf-esque character, before being expanded upon.
Ah, Zeff, I do try, though I'm hardly the most knowledgeable poster here. Thankee most kindly. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 01 Nov 2009 : 03:07:19
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Originally posted by Sandro
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Originally posted by Afromania
Thankee Sandro, so can I determine from what you said that the character Elminster existed before the 5 books about him went out? Was he some famed wizard mentioned in the realms before his own books came? Or maybe from the RPG books?
It just seems odd to me that a famous mage like himself has a story that actually starts from youth.
Raistin for example did not, nor Merlin or Gandalf for that matter. They all started in some fame (or exactly at the point they start climbing to that) and maybe then had their past recollections.
Aye, Elminster goes way back (back to Ed's original Realms, well before TSR existed to publish them) and has popped up in a great many novels (I believe the first was Spellfire, published in 1988), though he was not the main player until the Shadow of the Avatar trilogy. His first published appearance was in the 1e Forgotten Realms Campaign setting (Old Grey Box). More information can be found at http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Elminster_Aumar .
Actually, Elminster was published well before the advent of the Old Grey Box. It was Ed's numerous Dragon Magazine articles -- articles in which Elminster would drop in on Ed and discuss some aspect of life in the Realms -- that brought Ed and the Realms to the attention of TSR. The Old Grey Box came out in 1987; I don't know when El first appeared in Dragon, but there's an article just about him in issue 110 -- June 1986. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 01 Nov 2009 : 03:48:41
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Sandro
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Originally posted by Afromania
Thankee Sandro, so can I determine from what you said that the character Elminster existed before the 5 books about him went out? Was he some famed wizard mentioned in the realms before his own books came? Or maybe from the RPG books?
It just seems odd to me that a famous mage like himself has a story that actually starts from youth.
Raistin for example did not, nor Merlin or Gandalf for that matter. They all started in some fame (or exactly at the point they start climbing to that) and maybe then had their past recollections.
Aye, Elminster goes way back (back to Ed's original Realms, well before TSR existed to publish them) and has popped up in a great many novels (I believe the first was Spellfire, published in 1988), though he was not the main player until the Shadow of the Avatar trilogy. His first published appearance was in the 1e Forgotten Realms Campaign setting (Old Grey Box). More information can be found at http://forgottenrealms.wikia.com/wiki/Elminster_Aumar .
Actually, Elminster was published well before the advent of the Old Grey Box. It was Ed's numerous Dragon Magazine articles -- articles in which Elminster would drop in on Ed and discuss some aspect of life in the Realms -- that brought Ed and the Realms to the attention of TSR. The Old Grey Box came out in 1987; I don't know when El first appeared in Dragon, but there's an article just about him in issue 110 -- June 1986.
Ed has actually covered all this in his replies here at Candlekeep. A thorough search of the archives will reveal the relevant entries. |
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Sandro
Learned Scribe
New Zealand
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Posted - 01 Nov 2009 : 03:50:47
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Ah, you're correct, of course, Wooly -- not owning any Dragon magazines I do tend to forget about them.
As it is, though, the Old Grey Box was the first proper Realms publication in which he appeared. |
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Afromania
Acolyte
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Posted - 02 Nov 2009 : 20:30:02
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Hmmm reading Elminster's now - and I don't get this weird gap between the 2nd and 3rd books...
just 100 years he's been frozen for, not to mention about 300 more years of being in the elven city, all being skipped...
And then he's already the great Elminster.
It's like, on the 1st and 2nd book he's a foolish mageling, and now he's all of a sudden great...did i miss anything?
They definitely aren't as good as RAS's :(
Maybe i started reading from the wrong book (started at "The Making of a Mage" and not in some glorious Elminster story). |
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A question :)
