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Icelander
Master of Realmslore
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 Posted - 02 Oct 2009 : 02:13:22
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Okay, I'm kinda worried about the last few responses in this scroll, and the direction they're heading off into. I'd suggest the scribes involved take a few moments to re-think their participation in this discussion, before replying again.
Now, I certainly don't want to violate any of the terms of conduct, but I can't help but feel somewhat uncomfortable about the fact that the person who appears to take part in most of the heated exchanges on this site is also one of the most active moderators.
I made what I believed to be a legitimate point about Realmslore, namely that even some of the 'good' polities of the Realms are ruled with methods and laws that in our world would be considered tyrannical. I believe that one of the reasons for that is that those rulers rule in the name of their personal magical power and not by the consent of the governed.
I believe that this is an interesting part of Realmslore. I believe that there is a lot of adventuring potential in the discrepancy between the supposed benevolent motives of the awesomely powerful personalities in the Realms and the fact that they routinely engage in acts of breath-taking, heavy-handed arrogance with the lives of common people.
I also believe that one should be able to discuss this without rancor and childish tantrums.
Instead, a moderator of these forums proceeds to make an insulting remark about a whole profession, going so far that he considers it not a profession at all. I'm sorry. That's not just wrong. It's also a group attack and in violation of the rules of the forums. The rules that this moderator is supposed to be upholding.
To make things clear, I like jokes. I like frank exchange of views. I probably have a personal tolerance for open discourse quite far beyond what is allowed on most forums.
But if a conversation is supposed to be shut down because one of the moderators can't remain civil enough to avoid rampart displays of bigotry, well, maybe the moderators should moderate their ranks. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 02 Oct 2009 : 03:16:36
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Originally posted by Icelander
Now, I certainly don't want to violate any of the terms of conduct, but I can't help but feel somewhat uncomfortable about the fact that the person who appears to take part in most of the heated exchanges on this site is also one of the most active moderators.
Well, that's a point you'd have to discuss between Wooly and youself. Privately.
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I also believe that one should be able to discuss this without rancor and childish tantrums.
Granted. But we've seen these kinds of discussions degenerate before, here at Candlekeep. I'm simply seeking a preventative measure. And I know, from experience, how nasty these types of discussions can become. Please allow me the benefit of experience in this regard.
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Instead, a moderator of these forums proceeds to make an insulting remark about a whole profession, going so far that he considers it not a profession at all. I'm sorry. That's not just wrong. It's also a group attack and in violation of the rules of the forums. The rules that this moderator is supposed to be upholding.
Again, this is something that should be addressed to the offending moderator/s. And, again, in private.
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To make things clear, I like jokes. I like frank exchange of views. I probably have a personal tolerance for open discourse quite far beyond what is allowed on most forums.
That's understandable. Each site tends to view these kinds of discussions differently. But we do have a fair number of younglings visiting Candlekeep, so some standards must be maintained for their benefit.
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But if a conversation is supposed to be shut down because one of the moderators can't remain civil enough to avoid rampart displays of bigotry, well, maybe the moderators should moderate their ranks.
I don't really think that's necessary. And I'm almost certain that you and Wooly should be able to resolve these difficulties via private messaging. Please do so.
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 02 Oct 2009 : 06:45:48
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Originally posted by Icelander
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Originally posted by The Sage
Okay, I'm kinda worried about the last few responses in this scroll, and the direction they're heading off into. I'd suggest the scribes involved take a few moments to re-think their participation in this discussion, before replying again.
Now, I certainly don't want to violate any of the terms of conduct, but I can't help but feel somewhat uncomfortable about the fact that the person who appears to take part in most of the heated exchanges on this site is also one of the most active moderators.
I made what I believed to be a legitimate point about Realmslore, namely that even some of the 'good' polities of the Realms are ruled with methods and laws that in our world would be considered tyrannical. I believe that one of the reasons for that is that those rulers rule in the name of their personal magical power and not by the consent of the governed.
I believe that this is an interesting part of Realmslore. I believe that there is a lot of adventuring potential in the discrepancy between the supposed benevolent motives of the awesomely powerful personalities in the Realms and the fact that they routinely engage in acts of breath-taking, heavy-handed arrogance with the lives of common people.
I also believe that one should be able to discuss this without rancor and childish tantrums.
Instead, a moderator of these forums proceeds to make an insulting remark about a whole profession, going so far that he considers it not a profession at all. I'm sorry. That's not just wrong. It's also a group attack and in violation of the rules of the forums. The rules that this moderator is supposed to be upholding.
To make things clear, I like jokes. I like frank exchange of views. I probably have a personal tolerance for open discourse quite far beyond what is allowed on most forums.
But if a conversation is supposed to be shut down because one of the moderators can't remain civil enough to avoid rampart displays of bigotry, well, maybe the moderators should moderate their ranks.
It's not an insult at all. It's looking at the word profession in a different manner than you are. As I see it, a profession requires a unique skillset or a unique combination of skills. Here in the real world, we've had soldiers, businesspeople, actors, lawyers, and doctors get into politics. We've had a pro wrestler become a politician, an astronaut become a politican, and a comedian recently became a politician. My country was set up by a bunch of guys whose only qualifications were that they were white male wealthy landowners, and many of them were our first generation of politicians. Heck, Italy had a porn star become a politician.
The skills required by politicians are required in almost all fields, to varying degrees. Therefore, there is nothing that sets this skillset apart from any other.
People from all those wildly different backgrounds and careers all had the skills to enter into politics. Therefore, politics does not require a unique skillset, and thus doesn't fit the category of profession. It's a role, not a profession.
My intent was not to insult anyone, regardless of what they do. I just don't see how something can be called a profession when it has no unique qualifications or skills. A role and a profession are not the same thing, as I tried to illustrate with a couple of my earlier examples.
I'm not saying this to continue the debate. I'm explaining myself to show that there was no insult here. |
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jcdf
Acolyte
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Posted - 02 Oct 2009 : 10:44:13
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Originally posted by The Sage
Okay, I'm kinda worried about the last few responses in this scroll, and the direction they're heading off into. I'd suggest the scribes involved take a few moments to re-think their participation in this discussion, before replying again.
As the founder of this topic I say do as the sage says chaps.
I am getting sick of hanging around Dambrath, some Loviatar's priestesses have taken a liking to me. Time to leave!
I am thinking about putting together an expedition into Raurin the Dust Desert.
I am thinking of going via the Eastern Shaar up through Veldorn over the Northern peak of the Giant's Belt and south into the Raurin Dust Desert. Any tips for travellers in these lands? Any human dwellings in the north of Veldorn or south part of the plains of purple dust?
I hope to find some nice tasty Imaskar ruins and hopefully Inupras it's self. I also plan to look for the legendary Imaskarcana, the seven items in which the empire's immense magical lore is recorded for all eternity. I am curious to know if I am wasting my time with this, are the Imaskarcana still located in the Raurin Dust Desert? |
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